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More proof--John 6:37-39-- Jesus teaches the Father sent him. At John 17:1-6,26-- a prayer to the Father, Jesus clearly teaches-The one who sent him = THE ONLY TRUE GOD--verse 6= YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah)
All of Jesus' real followers know to believe him over translation errors.
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@Keithw,
In some cases divergent views can be tolerated and those holding them are to consider that both may hold them 'unto the Lord', but John in speaking of the doctrine of the deity of Christ, takes a different attitude, saying that such a one 'hath not God', and further, 'receive him not unto your house, neither bid him God speed', You will understand then that there can be no fellowship with those who do not believe in the deity of Christ.
For many deceivers are entered into the world,
who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Look to yourselves,
that we lose not those things which we have wrought,
but that we receive a full reward.
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine,
receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
(2 John 1:7-11)
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God sent himself.
Joh 10:37 If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me;
Joh 10:38 but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”
Jesus clearly teaches at John 17:1-6,26--The one who sent him = Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD, verse 6= YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah) --The one Jesus teaches all is his God-John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- and we all know Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. So it takes believing Jesus to see your error in thinking what John is saying. Jesus did come in the flesh. The Messiah. God did not come. God sent the being named Jesus.
Jesus warned all about the god they were serving and then told all the true Gods will-John 4:22-24. Paul does the same at 1 Cor 8:5-6--There is one God to all-the Father--not father, son and holy spirit. Its you who believe errors over truth. Your translations are filled with errors.
Yes God did it all through Jesus-Acts 3:19--1Cor 8:5-6-- John 5:30-Jesus teaches he can do 0 of his own inititive.
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And yet the Jews and their rabbis before the destruction of the temple and the rise of Christianity believed in two powers in heaven.
They recognized the many scriptures in the OT indicating two Yahwehs - that even spoke to each.
Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulphur and fire from the LORD out of heaven.
(LSV) and YHWH has rained on Sodom and on Gomorrah brimstone and fire from YHWH, from the heavens;
"Note the mention here of two Jehovahs, one in heaven who sends judgment upon Sodom and Gomorrah at the bidding of the Jehovah on earth. This gives significant evidence for more than one person in the Godhead. ...
Jehovah Witnesses counter with the argument that by making Jesus Jehovah, I am asserting the untruth that Jesus is the Father. I suggest they listen or read more carefully: I am not asserting Jesus is the Father,
but that at least two Persons in the Godhead are each called Jehovah in Scripture, and Jesus is clearly one of them.
John 3:13; John 3:31; John 6:38; John 6:42; John 8:56; John 8:58, 1Cor 2:8; +1Cor 12:3, James 2:1. See also on +Gen 12:7; +Gen 16:13; +Gen 17:1, + Dan 3:28, Zec 3:2,
There are several other texts in the Hebrew Scriptures, our Old Testament, which are so worded as to suggest two persons equally understood to be God, such as Amos 4:11; Gen 22:1-2 with Gen 22:11-12; Hosea 1:7;
and most clearly, Judges 6:21 (where the visible Angel of Jehovah leaves the scene) and Judges 6:23, where Jehovah continues to speak with Gideon, saying "fear not: thou shalt not die."
'The Ultimate Cross-Reference Treasury' by Jerome H. Smith © 2004
They recognized the many scriptures in the OT indicating two Yahwehs - that even spoke to each.
Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulphur and fire from the LORD out of heaven.
(LSV) and YHWH has rained on Sodom and on Gomorrah brimstone and fire from YHWH, from the heavens;
"Note the mention here of two Jehovahs, one in heaven who sends judgment upon Sodom and Gomorrah at the bidding of the Jehovah on earth. This gives significant evidence for more than one person in the Godhead. ...
Jehovah Witnesses counter with the argument that by making Jesus Jehovah, I am asserting the untruth that Jesus is the Father. I suggest they listen or read more carefully: I am not asserting Jesus is the Father,
but that at least two Persons in the Godhead are each called Jehovah in Scripture, and Jesus is clearly one of them.
John 3:13; John 3:31; John 6:38; John 6:42; John 8:56; John 8:58, 1Cor 2:8; +1Cor 12:3, James 2:1. See also on +Gen 12:7; +Gen 16:13; +Gen 17:1, + Dan 3:28, Zec 3:2,
There are several other texts in the Hebrew Scriptures, our Old Testament, which are so worded as to suggest two persons equally understood to be God, such as Amos 4:11; Gen 22:1-2 with Gen 22:11-12; Hosea 1:7;
and most clearly, Judges 6:21 (where the visible Angel of Jehovah leaves the scene) and Judges 6:23, where Jehovah continues to speak with Gideon, saying "fear not: thou shalt not die."
'The Ultimate Cross-Reference Treasury' by Jerome H. Smith © 2004
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Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,
12 training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age,
13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ,
14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.
So likewise "the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" (2Peter 2:20; 2Peter 3:2) is a reference to one person. The introduction of the word "our" in 2Peter 1:11; 2Peter 3:18 does not affect the idiom.
Following the same principle for the identical construction in Greek for 2Peter 1:1, "our God and Saviour Jesus Christ" is a reference to a single person, not two.
So here at Titus 2:13, the same construction is correctly rendered "our God and Saviour Jesus Christ," and the reference is to one person, not two.
Attention to this construction thus yields two texts in support of the Deity of Christ that were not evident in some English translations
(see Robertson, The Minister and His Greek New Testament, "The Greek Article and the Deity of Christ," pp. 61-68).
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2Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ:
1:2 May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
1:2 May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
The bible would teach 2 different things if your Titus was correct. There are many errors in your translations.
Psalm 110: The LORD( YHWH) said to my Lord( Jesus) proves 2 separate beings One Is YHWH(Jehovah) the other is Jesus. YHWH is the only true God. He alone( singular) is the most high over the earth-Psalm 83:18
You could always try believing Jesus--John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- all his true followers do. John 10:27
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You could always try believing Jesus - -
John 17:5 And now glorify THOU me with thyself, Father, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
(ESV) And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.
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Not only can Jesus do nothing on his own, neither can God the Father do anything without Jesus the Son of God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being.
Yes Glory as the firstborn of all creation( Collosians 1:15)= Gods master worker. He speaks at Proverbs 8 and tells all he was created.
Jesus is the firstborn of all creation( Coll 1:15) created direct-first and last. He is Gods master worker, he speaks at Proverbs 8 and tells all he was created.
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So you think Jesus created himself?
Jesus created all things and without him (Jesus), nothing was made, and he is before all things. (col 1:16-17) (John 1:3)
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I am so happy for you that as a mere mortal you fully know and understand what goes on in the third heaven - the spiritual realm.
Knowing fully how it all works in the spirit realm you should be able to explain to us what Ezekiel saw with your insight -
Ezekiel 1:5 And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had a human likeness,
6 but each had four faces, and each of them had four wings.
7 Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the sole of a calf's foot. And they sparkled like burnished bronze.
8 Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. And the four had their faces and their wings thus:
9 their wings touched one another. Each one of them went straight forward, without turning as they went.
Knowing fully how it all works in the spirit realm you should be able to explain to us what Ezekiel saw with your insight -
Ezekiel 1:5 And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had a human likeness,
6 but each had four faces, and each of them had four wings.
7 Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the sole of a calf's foot. And they sparkled like burnished bronze.
8 Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. And the four had their faces and their wings thus:
9 their wings touched one another. Each one of them went straight forward, without turning as they went.
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So you worship Jesus as God- even after he said that SOME ELSE was God- and apply that scripture to that that ARE Christian?
The Abrahamic God is a single being God-YHWH(Jehovah)-- He clearly says in the OT--I am YHWH(Jehovah) besides me( singular) there is no other God.
