Squeakybro said:

THE I AM DELUSION JOHN 8-58

Matt 16:13-17
13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, "Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?"
14 So they said, "Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
16 Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
John 7:39-43
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.
41 Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
43 So there was a division among the people because of him.
John 7:51-52
51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?
52 They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.
John 8:1-2
1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
John 8:12
12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8:16-18
16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John 8:21
21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
John 8:23-24
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 8:28-29
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
John 8:58-59
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
(KJV)
xxx Jesus was teaching in the temple and they were questioning Him on whether or not He was the Christ. Then they all went home and came back the next day to question Him some more. When Jesus told them: you will die in your sins if you do not believe that I am He. Then in verse 58 Jesus was telling them that even before Abraham that I am . But they picked up stones to throw at Him so they cut Jesus off in the middle of His sentance and Jesus got out of there. Jesus was claiming that" I AM He" the Christ. Jesus was not claiming He was God.
verse 24 and 28 Jesus said it, I am he. Jesus was saying He was the Christ that they were speaking of in John 7-41. But in is obvious why they didnt understand from John 7-39 they havent received the Holy Spirit yet. And even today many do not know the Spirit and get deceived in the verses.

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Squeakybro said:

John 8:58-59
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
(KJV)
xxx Jesus was teaching in the temple and they were questioning Him on whether or not He was the Christ. Then they all went home and came back the next day to question Him some more. When Jesus told them: you will die in your sins if you do not believe that I am He. Then in verse 58 Jesus was telling them that even before Abraham that I am . But they picked up stones to throw at Him so they cut Jesus off in the middle of His sentance and Jesus got out of there. Jesus was claiming that" I AM He" the Christ. Jesus was not claiming He was God.
verse 24 and 28 Jesus said it, I am he. Jesus was saying He was the Christ that they were speaking of in John 7-41. But in is obvious why they didnt understand from John 7-39 they havent received the Holy Spirit yet. And even today many do not know the Spirit and get deceived in the verses.

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Curtis said:

Joh 8:23 Jesus spoke up and said, “You are all from the earth; I am from above. I am not from this world like you are.
Joh 8:24 That’s why I’ve told you that you will all die in your sins if you fail to believe that I AM who I AM.” (TPT)

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre
of thy kingdom.

Are you going to call God the Father a liar who calls His Son God?

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Christ4Ever said:

Dear Squeakybro,
I have a question for you.
What Law was broken that would allow for them to stone Jesus? (v59)

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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P.S. @Curtis
Dear Brother,
I hope you don't mind that I intruded upon your conversation C4E

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Christ4Ever said:

Dear Squeakybro,
I have a question for you.
What Law was broken that would allow for them to stone Jesus? (v59)

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Dear Brother,
I hope you don't mind that I intruded upon your conversation C4E

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Squeakybro said:

Look at the context of Heb 1-6 That is for Jesus' second coming. Not the first coming.

[Heb 1:6 NKJV]
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."

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Curtis said:

No, this is what God the Father said when he raised Jesus from the dead.

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Squeakybro said:

I dont mind at all. And no law allowed them to stone Jesus. That was all the move of satan inside of each of them.

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Christ4Ever said:

Dear Squakybro,
Notice at what point of the conversation they were having with Him, that they decided to pick up stones. Everything else He called them did not illicit the reaction that v58 did. Keeping in mind that these men were considered Godly studied men of their day and not the average crowd of listeners.

I would suggest and put forward to you for your consideration that the Jews wanted to Stone Jesus because He implied that He was God, and so committed blasphemy which was punishable according to Leviticus 24:16. So, personal insults might have angered them, but the breaking of the Law would have motivated them to stone him which was valid to do according to the Law.

'And whoever blasphemes the name of the LORD shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall certainly stone him, the stranger as well as him who is born in the land. When he blasphemes the name [of the LORD], he shall be put to death. Leviticus 24:16 NKJV

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Squeakybro said:

That is sort of the same thing.You see satan was made in the image of the wrath of God. And his throne is in the old testament. Where he pushes people to exercise the old testament law.

WRATH (SATAN)

Luke 22:31-32
31 And the Lord said, "Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat.
32 "But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren."
Luke 16:16
16 "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.
Matt 11:12-13
12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Eph 5:6-7
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
7 Therefore do not be partakers with them.
Eph 2:2-3
2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
James 1:19-20
19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath;
20 for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.
2 Tim 2:24-26
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
Luke 4:25-29
25 "But I tell you truly, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, and there was a great famine throughout all the land;
26 "but to none of them was Elijah sent except to Zarephath, in the region of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow.
27 "And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet, and none of them was cleansed except Naaman the Syrian."
28 So all those in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
29 and rose up and thrust Him out of the city; and they led Him to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw Him down over the cliff.
John 13:26-28
26 Jesus answered, "It is he to whom I shall give a piece of bread when I have dipped it." And having dipped the bread, He gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
27 Now after the piece of bread, Satan entered him. Then Jesus said to him, "What you do, do quickly."
28 But no one at the table knew for what reason He said this to him.
John 10:10
10 "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
Rom 13:1-4
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
11 Cor 15:23-26
23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.
24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.
Luke 6:37-39
37 "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
38 "Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you."
39 And He spoke a parable to them: "Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into the ditch?
James 1:19-20
19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath;
20 for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.
Rom 3:15-18
15 "Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known."
18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes."
Rom 3:19
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 9:22-23
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
(NKJ)
XXX Satan is law enforcement of the old testament law. So he wants everyone under the old testament. Satan was made in the image of the wrath of God. So the devil deceives you into sinning and satan punishes you for sinning. So crooks and cops have the same spirit. Jesus was made in the image of the righteousness of God and wants you under the new testament law of Christ.


I Jn 3:10
10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.
(NKJ)


Luke 9:54-56
54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?"
55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what manner of spirit you are of.
56 "For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives but to save them." And they went to another village.
(NKJ)


John 8:7
7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first."
(NKJ)


2 Sam 12:11
11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
(KJV)

Mat 10-16
"Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
Phil 2-15
that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,

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Christ4Ever said:

Dear Squeakybro
What you have written would be true but only after our Lord's Resurrection/Ascension, because there was nothing else but the Law that was is in place and valid for judgment. Which is what we're dealing with when the Jews wanted to stone Jesus. They rightly divided the Law, and even its application. However, their judgment if they had been able to go through with it (It was not His time yet.) would only have been valid if what Jesus had told them was a lie. Our Lord was no liar.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Squeakybro said:

Jews Dont Keep The Law

Matt 3:15
15 But Jesus answered and said to him, "Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Then he allowed Him.
Luke 11:42
42 "But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.
Rom 2:16-29
16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God,
18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law,
19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness,
20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law.
21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal?
22 You who say, "Do not commit adultery," do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?
24 For "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you," as it is written.
25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision?
27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;
29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
Acts 15:5-11
5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses."
6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter.
7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: "Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
8 "So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us,
9 "and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 "Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they."
Acts 15:24
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, 'You must be circumcised and keep the law'-- to whom we gave no such commandment--
Gal 6:13-16
13 For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh.
14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
(NKJ)

xxx Jews lead you into keeping the old testament law and they dont even keep it themselves. That is why Jesus came to deliver all from the old testament law.Satan wants everyone under the old testament law. Because that is where his authority is, as the wrath of God according to the old testament law. Jews want to convert you to become a Jew so they can boast about converting you.

[Gal 6:13
[13] For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh.

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Christ4Ever said:

Dear Squeakybro
History flows like time. Forward. Sometimes quickly, and at other times it appears to almost stand still. It never goes backward. We in the present are allowed by God's Grace and through the Holy Spirit to view events through His Word that seem to have occurred but yesterday. With a greater clarity at times then even those who experienced it themselves. Which is exactly what you are doing. You are bringing an understanding that was not given to the Jews of that day to understand, except for a select few. Our Lord even made it evident that it was not for them to see or understand. There was a purpose for doing this, but that's another subject which would take us away of the present one.

And He said, "To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest [it is given] in parables, that 'Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand.' Luke 8:10 NKJV

So, the Jews truly believed they were doing the will of God for they lacked the Holy Spirit to "know", "believe", "repent" in Jesus and who He really was/is forever more. And so, the reason for their attempt at stoning our Lord & Savior. To me there can be no other reason for the event that occurred that day. To them, Pharisee's accepted the insults, at least they believed them to be instead of truths, until as I've stated before, they heard from Him the Words that motivated them, if wrongly. That being the Law of Blasphemy which was sufficient to attempt to stone Him.

Now how you accept them as signifying, has nothing to do with how they saw them as being. Why? Because you have been given understanding through the Holy Spirit, and God's Word, to see at least partially/fully behind the curtain so to speak. Yet, it doesn't negate the truth of what happened that day, and which I'll repeat. The Jews believed Jesus had broken the Law of Blasphemy and were going to stone Him for it.

Let us reason together Brother. Is there another Law that Jesus broke in that conversation that would requiring stoning?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Squeakybro said:

Well that is interesting. Your explaning things carnally , and I'm explaning them spiritually with the revelations of Jesus Christ. Allow me to study your writtings later.

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Christ4Ever said:

Dear Squeakybro,
I speak it Spiritually by the insight given me through prayer and by the Holy Spirit and you see it as being carnal.
Study on brother and include some prayer if you will as well. Always knowing that God's Will, will be done.

I've always found it curious that even though Paul was prophesized over about what would happen to him should he go to Jerusalem, he would not be dissuaded from going and yet God's will was still done through him. Would it have been any different had he listened and not gone?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Squeakybro said:

Would you go read my revelations on "The milk understanding" and "the meat understanding". then the revelations of Jesus Christ. The milk being 3 years long, and the meat being 11 years long. And the revelations of Jesus forever.

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Christ4Ever said:

Dear Squeakybro,
As a Moderator yes, but as a Member no.

My apologies if my answer has hurt you in anyway. For that I hope you will believe me is not my intention.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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