Please just say what you mean by the word "christian".

Hekuran said:

Please just say what you mean by the word "christian".

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It means you are are just like Jesus Christ in every aspect. you are just like Jesus Christ in every way. GOD in the Flesh! You are "Christ-Like" Like the Bible says:

NASB 1977
the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

and I do not walk like a "GOD". if you chose to steal the definition from another and make it your own definition so now i am a Thief i have stolen the Definition of another and i stand condemn for being a theif who was push into this endeavor by a christian. to please him in order to may him happy that now i am a liar! and i stand guilty by choice. and on judgment it will arise.

PloughBoy said:

NASB 1977
the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

and I do not walk like a "GOD".

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Well I doubt many Christians on here think they are God. ( We do have a few that follow a Mormon type theology )
But does this mean you don't want to walk in the same manner as Jesus? You don't want to follow Him?

Matt 10:38; "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.

Mark 8:34; And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.

Luke 9:23; And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

John 10:4; "When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.

Maybe you don't walk after Him because you don't know His voice?

John 10:27; "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;

John 12:26; "If anyone serves Me, he must follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also; if anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him.

You claim to be a child of God, but if you're not following Jesus, God isn't honoring you.

1Pet 2:21; For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps,

PloughBoy said:

It means you are are just like Jesus Christ in every aspect. you are just like Jesus Christ in every way. GOD in the Flesh! You are "Christ-Like" Like the Bible says:

NASB 1977
the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

and I do not walk like a "GOD". if you chose to steal the definition from another and make it your own definition so now i am a Thief i have stolen the Definition of another and i stand condemn for being a theif who was push into this endeavor by a christian. to please him in order to may him happy that now i am a liar! and i stand guilty by choice. and on judgment it will arise.

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Ok. I'd happily accept "Christlike" as the basic meaning of "Christian". And am I right to think that you refuse to be called Christian because you consider yourself unworthy of the label? Please correct me if not

B-A-C said:

Well I doubt many Christians on here think they are God. ( We do have a few that follow a Mormon type theology )
But does this mean you don't want to walk in the same manner as Jesus? You don't want to follow Him?

Matt 10:38; "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.

Mark 8:34; And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.

Luke 9:23; And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

John 10:4; "When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.

Maybe you don't walk after Him because you don't know His voice?

John 10:27; "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;

John 12:26; "If anyone serves Me, he must follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also; if anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him.

You claim to be a child of God, but if you're not following Jesus, God isn't honoring you.

1Pet 2:21; For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps,

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it seems to me a whole lot of people are trying to act like a christian and try to act this way and that way. just like a actor in a screen play. But you see i do not have to act, i am a :child of the LIVING GOD' i do not have to act like a male i am a male.

it seems to me a lot people trying to do a whole lot of acting. wow that must be hard work to act like a christian. I like being, than trying to be something.
I am a new creature i am not trying to act like one, I am one.. why is this so hard for many to understand. you should already know this. example: you once was a "Duck" but today you are Horse. from being a Flying duck and then becoming a horse.

When you become a new CREATURE you have not been confuse you know the difference from a earthly creature and A heavenly Creature you know you been change. there is no doubt you are a new creature.

But a christian that is a completely different scenario as prescribe by the world of christianity. just say the magical words. i believe, i accept Jesus as my lord and savior then get Baptize and the right hand of fellowship then into the organization you are and your name is written on that roll. now you have be come one of the 2.6 billion plus of christians of the whole world. written in ink and dated, day, date month and year joined. now you are Officially a Bona fide christian. with papers, recognize throughout the whole world with honors. and that does not make you a "new creature" But you have become a christian. your paper work says so and your church says so. and your fellow member recognize you too as one. and now you proclaim to all, you are a bona fide christian. and you tell everyone how to become one. so now you are out into the world making disciples just like yourself.

i didn't choose him he chose me! He called me i didn't call HIM. I had no choice, maybe you did or do Like i have said before i ain't like the rest. I am different. we are not all the same. I had no choice, I know you do not understand this because you are not like me. I am different for some reason. I am not like many, it is something different. you know i am different. And you are not helping any. you see you are on that side of the fence and you cannot see what is going on, on my side ot the fence. Edwards knew, Calvin knew, A.W Tozer knew, apostle Paul knew, Athanasius knew, Polykarp knew. and Augustine knew if i can remember if so it is recorded in His "Confessions".

So i am going to settle this now, i did not call GOD He Chose me! and I had no choice GOD said; you are going and you have no choice! Try me and see You are going whether you like it or not!

Maybe you had a choice i didn't. I out ran JONAH i caught JONAH and Pass Him like he was sitting still! You see many don't know it is funny but it is the Truth. i am laughing so hard now, but if you only knew. if you only knew. Talking about what you ain't going to do. GOD ain't no joke! I am laughing so hard here in the house they think i crazy. But I have a good memory. and when i forgot, He reminded me in Living Color with a repeat. and it was A divine intervention, he gave that devil permission to grab me behind the neck and drag me down the alley upside down backwards and told him to make him feel like you are going to kill him and knock that helmet off his head tear that breast plate off his chest and blind fold him, but leave his shoes on. and take the sword out of his hand, telling me what he ain't going to do. and do not let him sleep at night neither the day and take his appetite away so he only desire water.

We all have a specific position in Christ design by GOD that fits perfectly in it position fitted. Fitted by design before the foundations of The WORLD and never a after thought in process. It has been completed before it is process. "INDICATIVE".
and to talk about the term "christian and christianity" is considered a low conversation that has no heavenly value at all, It is only a conversation about a worldly created thought. and cannot go any further. but only the ways of the flesh. those terms cannot ascend into 'Eternity". for they are earthly.

B-A-C said:

Well I doubt many Christians on here think they are God. ( We do have a few that follow a Mormon type theology )
But does this mean you don't want to walk in the same manner as Jesus? You don't want to follow Him?

Matt 10:38; "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.

Mark 8:34; And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.

Luke 9:23; And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

John 10:4; "When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.

Maybe you don't walk after Him because you don't know His voice?

John 10:27; "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;

John 12:26; "If anyone serves Me, he must follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also; if anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him.

You claim to be a child of God, but if you're not following Jesus, God isn't honoring you.

1Pet 2:21; For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps,

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you see we have a different concept you are making two completely different things and considering them as one.

1. following Jesus, why are we following Jesus? where are we going?

2, We are we following Jesus, because He Is "THE WAY" because we already are saved. once we became the new creature.

3. "The Way" to where?

4. He is "The WAY" to The FATHER. that is why we are following HIm. Becuase Jesus is the only one who can reveal us to the FATHER, that is one of the reasons we are following Him. You have to follow him out of the camp.

5. Finally if JESUS reveals us to the FATHER when He is ready to, we have arrived to the FATHER "He rewards those who diligently seeks HIM. GOD the father is Our Reward
and the Father and Jesus commune with us, [you] Then THE FATHER AND Son RELATIONSHIP BEGINS. The father begins to teach you about the things to come.

The devil do not never want you to get that far. He wants you locked up in the 4 walls. and chained. And Jesus is trying to set you free!
But many like being Lock up! "where will we go"

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PloughBoy sais:- (Subject heading)
'If you been in Christ at least Ten years and you have not Excel in GOD but still dwell in Church DOGMA something is wrong'

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Hello @PloughBoy,

I think I understand what you are saying. People love to classify both people and things, so that they can file them away under this heading and that. In a forum situation the concepts expressed make it possible to label people as belonging to one denomination or another, and so believers can be filed under different labels, such as Baptist, Methodist, Pentecostalist or dispensationalist. Yes, we all, whether we like it or not make it clear by the doctrines that we hold which of the '-ists' we belong to. Betraying the influences which have shaped us. However, it is a shame, when those ideologies become a form of confinement which prevent us from searching and seeing that they are truly foundational Biblical truths, worthy of our approbation. When the box we are in becomes a prison rather than a step ladder to take us on into Christ Himself and all God's fulness. The word, 'Christian', as you say, can be equally confining: for it can become a convenient covering for a refusal to grow, and to know Christ in all His fulness.

God has placed us 'in Christ', in regard to our 'standing' before Him. The security of that 'standing', which is unshakeable because founded on God's promises in Christ, should encourage us to stand up and walk in newness of life before the Father, so that what God has worked 'in' us, we are, by our walk and witness, working 'out', by His grace and enabling. We do not remain stagnant, or 'in a box', but we grow in grace and truth and in the knowledge of Him.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Hello @PloughBoy,

I think I understand what you are saying. People love to classify both people and things, so that they can file them away under this heading and that. In a forum situation the concepts expressed make it possible to label people as belonging to one denomination or another, and so believers can be filed under different labels, such as Baptist, Methodist, Pentecostalist or dispensationalist. Yes, we all, whether we like it or not make it clear by the doctrines that we hold which of the '-ists' we belong to. Betraying the influences which have shaped us. However, it is a shame, when those ideologies become a form of confinement which prevent us from searching and seeing that they are truly foundational Biblical truths, worthy of our approbation. When the box we are in becomes a prison rather than a step ladder to take us on into Christ Himself and all God's fulness. The word, 'Christian', as you say, can be equally confining: for it can become a convenient covering for a refusal to grow, and to know Christ in all His fulness.

God has placed us 'in Christ', in regard to our 'standing' before Him. The security of that 'standing', which is unshakeable because founded on God's promises in Christ, should encourage us to stand up and walk in newness of life before the Father, so that what God has worked 'in' us, we are, by our walk and witness, working 'out', by His grace and enabling. We do not remain stagnant, or 'in a box', but we grow in grace and truth and in the knowledge of Him.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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May i give you, Your Flowers while you can still smell them. Only when the Rose is crush.

PloughBoy said:

How Long will you stay there, When you dwell for years in Church Dogma you cannot excel in GOD

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Since you obviously believe that you are God's mouthpiece to the church today, why don't you tell us all exactly what you believe "church dogma" is?

PloughBoy said:

May i give you, Your Flowers while you can still smell them. Only when the Rose is crush.

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The Church Has Been Hidden

In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from [the] wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden [wisdom] which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
and to make all see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
2Co 6-14
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?
And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among [them]. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."
Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you."
"I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the LORD Almighty."
Eph 3-9
and to make all see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
Col 1-26
the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
Col 2-3
in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.