Are we ALL the offspring of God??

PloughBoy · Nov 24, 2021

Rhema said:
While limited in its scope and usage, @PloughBoy, there has always been punctuation in Greek texts.

Please do not insult me and embarrass yourself as if I am some" jack leg" proclaimer of The Gospel According to "Jesus Christ" a "typical christian" and thinking I am one. I am a "Child of The LIVING GOD" and many christians, have no idea what that is.

Acting like you some greek Scholar. Haven't had not one "Iota" moment into the instructions of The "KOINE GREEK" Language. All Liars is going to "HELL"

But I know a whole lot of "christians" don't believe that.

I am ashamed to say something but, I do know some "Koine Greek" I am not a expert, but I got grade "D" for my understand and I refuse to spend time in such a course of study. It would be a waste of my money and my time. because I ain't nothing but a PloughBOY who grew up in The Hood. Like Jesus grew up in "Nazareth".

You ought to stop lying.

In actual Greek texts from the era when Koine Greek was used as a day-to-day language, Greek was usually written with no punctuation. The words ran together completely, with no spacing or markup. Accents, breathing marks, spaces, and other punctuation are added at a much later time, making texts easier to read.

Don't you have a copy of the The Greek Text. in your library, or downloaded on your Computer know days the Downloads are free
Matter of fact I think I "Posted" a copy of The "Textus Receptus" right here on "TALKJESUS" with "NOAH WEBSTER"S" 1828 Dictionary.

Your QUOTE:
While limited in its scope and usage, @[COLOR=rgb(97, 189, 109)]PloughBoy[/COLOR], there has ALWAYS been punctuation in Greek texts. [ that is a "IMPARATIVE" Statement you made] DING DING DING "Five ALARM" Fire.
[And then in post #57 you copied a section of the Greek Language.} There are no punctuations or spaces between sentences, or grammar marks.

This is RHEMA what he copied:
"αι οτι απο βρεφους τα ιερα γραμματα οιδας τα δυναμενα σε σοφισαι εις σωτηριαν δια πιστεως της εν χριστω ιησου πασα γραφη θεοπνευστος και ωφελιμος προς διδασκαλιαν προς ελεγχον προς επανορθωσιν προς παιδειαν την εν δικαιοσυνη"

"No Grammar marks whatsoever" Not even a "DOT" Talking about The Biblical text got grammar in it. Let alone "HEBREW" THIS ain't "SUNDAY SCHOOL" at "Needmore" Baptist Church" Have you ever heard someone "Speak in Tongues in The Greek Language"? Or Hebrew?

You are on "TALKJESUS" you do have some who are knowledgeable in many Things and many "GIFTS". It is alway wise to stay in your "LANE" and it is dangerous to drift out of your lane.

Now some of us are what the world calls: "Polymath" and "GOD" also have such a creature in the "new Birth" and the BIBLE Testify's to this.

Rhema · Nov 24, 2021

B-A-C said:
They weren't written in English either, but they are now.

Capitalising "Holy Ghost" or God does not imply Trinitarian theology, all it says is that translators recognized the word to be a proper noun. As such, one should acknowledge that any meaning attributed to capital letters beyond this is theological interpretation, NOT translation. The 1611 KJV didn't even capitalize pronouns for Jesus or God.

Now ask yourself. When the minuscule script (which evolved into the Greek lowercase) started appearing in Greek manuscripts during the 9th-10th centuries, did they start using "little g" and "big G" in the manner you think? ( I am positive you must know about the nomina sacra.)

Rhema

Rhema · Nov 24, 2021

PloughBoy said:
Acting like you some greek Scholar.

At least I can write competent English.

PloughBoy said:
Haven't had not one "Iota" moment into the instructions of The "KOINE GREEK" Language.

Now do you mean you or me? (Your English wasn't clear on this point.)
And did you intend to use the Greek double negative?
But by all means, let us discuss the merits of ekthesis.

PloughBoy said:
but I got grade "D" for my understand and I refuse to spend time in such a course of study.

Then don't pretend you know what you're saying by posting stuff like this -

PloughBoy said:
Remember there are no verses in The Original Text of Scripture. and no sentence breaks

PloughBoy said:
Like Jesus grew up in "Nazareth".

Nazareth ain't no "hood" .. uh .. BRO.

PloughBoy said:
You ought to stop lying.

(Oh the irony is so exquisite.)

PloughBoy said:
In actual Greek texts from the era when Koine Greek was used as a day-to-day language, Greek was usually written with no punctuation. The words ran together completely, with no spacing or markup. Accents, breathing marks, spaces, and other punctuation are added at a much later time, making texts easier to read.

You do realize your own "expert" quote uses the word "USUALLY" yes? No? Don't spew nastiness at me because you can't read the English I wrote, which was ...

Rhema said:
... there has always been punctuation in Greek texts.

PloughBoy said:
[ that is a "IMPARATIVE" Statement you made]

There, there. Go take a nice relaxing bath and get yourself a cookie.

Rhema

PloughBoy · Nov 25, 2021

Rhema said:
At least I can write competent English.

Now do you mean you or me? (Your English wasn't clear on this point.)
And did you intend to use the Greek double negative?
But by all means, let us discuss the merits of ekthesis.

Then don't pretend you know what you're saying by posting stuff like this -

Nazareth ain't no "hood" .. uh .. BRO.

(Oh the irony is so exquisite.)

You do realize your own "expert" quote uses the word "USUALLY" yes? No? Don't spew nastiness at me because you can't read the English I wrote, which was ...

There, there. Go take a nice relaxing bath and get yourself a cookie.

Rhema

Well why do think professional people and writers use paid “Editors”? Now figured that out, and the other amanuensis. Now do as you normally do google. Then figure out after you put it all together what I am referring too.

K9Buckeye · Nov 25, 2021

Bethel said:
To be "begotten" you have to be born.

God is "A" Spirit, .. so to be born of God, is not the physical, its the Spiritual......"new" birth.
This is why Jesus told us that "you must be born again".....as your first birth does not birth you into God's Spirit....., it only births you into the physical realm.
You must be born AGAIN......and this birth is the Spiritual 2nd birth that is CAUSED by GOD, who is "A" Spirit.
The unbelievers.... are not spiritually born again, so they are NOT children of God.
To be a child of God, you have to be born again SPIRITUAL:Y.....by the Spirit of God. so that you become a "SON".....

Taking this one step farther......... Jesus said of those who are NOT children of God....."you are of YOUR FATHER......= the Devil.

So, being born again, actually causes you to have a new Father...... and that is why you will end up with Him... in Heaven.

If you are not born again, you have a different spiritual father, and that is why you will end up with HIM.........if you are never born again.

A.) ""You MUST be born again.""

That's a great explanation. Thank you!

theQuestion · Nov 25, 2021

Yep! Straight from the Bible itself! The angels are also sons of God, as JESUS is!

B-A-C · Nov 25, 2021

Heb 1:2; in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Heb 1:3; And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Heb 1:4; having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5; For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
Heb 1:6; And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."
Heb 1:7; And of the angels He says, "WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE."
Heb 1:8; But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
Heb 1:9; "YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS."

complete · Nov 25, 2021

theQuestion said:
Yep! Straight from the Bible itself! The angels are also sons of God, as JESUS is!

Hello @theQuestion,

The angels are called sons of God because they are his created beings, but the Lord Jesus Christ is God's only Begotten Son - Begotten not Created.

Big difference, yes?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

theQuestion · Nov 25, 2021

complete said:
Hello @theQuestion,

The angels are called sons of God because they are his created beings, but the Lord Jesus Christ is God's only Begotten Son - Begotten not Created.

Big difference, yes?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Jesus (and his God) told the people he was his son (not the opposite 'God-the-Son) a term that every Jew understood, not church-goers...

Hitch · Nov 25, 2021

theQuestion said:
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Jesus (and his God) told the people he was his son (not the opposite 'God-the-Son) a term that every Jew understood, not church-goers...

The ability to ignore context is something no one should aspire to.

theQuestion · Nov 25, 2021

Hitch said:
The ability to ignore context is something no one should aspire to.

And the clergy have done that for 2 thousand years!

Reba1 · Nov 25, 2021

too many men aspire to be Jim Jones

PloughBoy · Nov 25, 2021

theQuestion said:
Yep! Straight from the Bible itself! The angels are also sons of God, as JESUS is!

Angels are a part of "creation" so is Heaven. For Jesus {The WORD of GOD] created The Angels including "The ADVERSARY" and the place called "Heaven" for Heaven is also a "Creation". But many even many upon many Christians has Deny, " The CHRIST of GOD" although They call HIM JESUS. And Claim that they know HIM, But "GOD" has declared, they are LIARs and The TRUTH is Not in Them

Although many call Him The SON of GOD but they do not Believe it, by the things that come out of Their mouths, The Fruit That comes out of their mouths have betrayed them and they do not even know it. And Thank GOD! "For by Grace are you saved" and not of yourselves.

For all mankind says one thing and take upon it self and take control and explain what GOD has said, For they believe GOD cannot explain His self and He needs a corrupted creature to explain to His Children who He has BIRTH , who are not The Creatures of This WORLD<whom He has planted on This earth according to His will and His Good pleasure.

The Beginning
"He was with God in the beginning. Through Him ALL THINGS were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.…"

For many has declared that only "SOME Things" are created by JESUS CHRIST "The CHRIST of GOD". But only a few of US will declared that everything that has been ever Created and meaning ALL CREATION the visible and The Invisible on earth, the universe, "HEAVEN" and ALL of The Creatures that occupy's it For JESUS CHRIST is "The ANOINTED of GOD".

Jesus CHRIST The ANOINTED of GOD is Not a CREATION, But HIS FATHER CREATED HIm a SPECIAL BODY That only A GOD could do. AND this SAME JESUS is 100% "GOD" and 100% Man at the same time. And HE can step out of HIS "DIVINITY" into HIS "HUMANITY" as HE pleases and always accordingly to The WILL of HIS FATHER. For they are one and always in agreement with one another.

And a finite minded creature will try to engage his corrupted mind to understand what that means. and not even consider the "finite cannot comprehend The Infinite for it is "Incomprehensible"

But still this creature will still go on because the human mind is so corrupted. That it does not know it is "corrupted" Now Going back to The "TITLE of This THREAD"........................"Are we ALL the offspring of God??"

The answer again is "NO"! Whether we believe it or not! But we do know what a "corrupted" creature would say. They sure will not say "we all are offsprings off The DEVIL" and some will be "Adopted by GOD" and become New Creatures "BORN OF GOD" and one day Get New Bodies and take off those "demonic bodies" and get "Holy Glorified Bodies".

And many cannot accept this as The "GOSPEL According To JESUS CHRIST" They can only accept the "Gospel according of Jesus describe by themselves about Jesus.

Angels will never rule! But the "sons of GOD" will and the sons of GOD will be The Manifestation of The GLORY of GOD throughout "ETERNITY" where there is no end. "For we are The GLORIFICATION of GOD

"Yet to which of the angels did God ever say:
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”j?
Are not the angels ministering spirits SENT TO SERVE those who will inherit salvation?"

Angels are nothing But Servants to those who are Those who will "INHERIT SALVATION" they Take care of us now and not the people of this WORLD!

theQuestion · Nov 25, 2021

PloughBoy said:
Angels are a part of "creation" so is Heaven. For Jesus {The WORD of GOD] created The Angels including "The ADVERSARY" and the place called "Heaven" for Heaven is also a "Creation". But many even many upon many Christians has Deny, " The CHRIST of GOD" although They call HIM JESUS. And Claim that they know HIM, But "GOD" has declared, they are LIARs and The TRUTH is Not in Them Although many call Him The SON of GOD but they do not Believe it, by the things that come out of Their mouths, The Fruit That comes out of their mouths have betrayed them and they do not even know it. And Thank GOD! "For by Grace are you saved" and not of yourselves.

For all mankind says one thing and take upon it self and take control and explain what GOD has said, For they believe GOD cannot explain His self and He needs a corrupted creature to explain to His Children who He has BIRTH , who are not The Creatures of This WORLD<whom He has planted on This earth according to His will and His Good pleasure.

The Beginning
"He was with God in the beginning. Through Him ALL THINGS were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.…"

For many has declared that only "SOME Things" are created by JESUS CHRIST "The CHRIST of GOD". But only a few of US will declared that everything that has been ever Created and meaning ALL CREATION the visible and The Invisible on earth, the universe, "HEAVEN" and ALL of The Creatures that occupy's it For JESUS CHRIST is "The ANOINTED of GOD".

Jesus CHRIST The ANOINTED of GOD is Not a CREATION, But HIS FATHER CREATED HIm a SPECIAL BODY That only A GOD could do. AND this SAME JESUS is 100% "GOD" and 100% Man at the same time. And HE can step out of HIS "DIVINITY" into HIS "HUMANITY" as HE pleases and always accordingly to The WILL of HIS FATHER. For they are one and always in agreement with one another.

And a finite minded creature will try to engage his corrupted mind to understand what that means. and not even consider the "finite cannot comprehend The Infinite for it is "Incomprehensible" But still this creature will still go on because the human mind is so corrupted. That it does not know it is "corrupted" Now Going back to The "TITLE of This THREAD"........................"Are we ALL the offspring of God??"

The answer again is "NO"! Whether we believe it or not! But we do know what a "corrupted" creature would say. They sure will not say "we all are offsprings off The DEVIL" and some will be "Adopted by GOD" and become New Creatures "BORN OF GOD" and one day Get New Bodies and take off those "demonic bodies" and get "Holy Glorified Bodies".

And many cannot accept this as The "GOSPEL According To JESUS CHRIST" They can only accept the "Gospel according of Jesus describe by themselves about Jesus.

Angels will never rule! But the "sons of GOD" will and the sons of GOD will be The Manifestation of The GLORY of GOD throughout "ETERNITY" where there is no end. "For we are The GLORIFICATION of GOD

"Yet to which of the angels did God ever say:
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”j?
Are not the angels ministering spirits SENT TO SERVE those who will inherit salvation?"

Angels are nothing But Servants to those who are Those who will "INHERIT SALVATION" they Take care of us now and not the people of this WORLD!

____________________________

I simply cannot match your teaching with the scriptures.
Perhaps it will be wise to take one point at a time...

PloughBoy · Nov 25, 2021

theQuestion said:
Yep! Straight from the Bible itself! The angels are also sons of God, as JESUS is!

Baloney, that is a corrupt statement. The Angels can never be "GOD"! For Jesus is GOD in the Flesh and Has always been GOD. And GOD can Never lose His DIVINITY. But i would like to speak strong Truth concerning this matter, but it is not allowed on TALKJESUS to speak strong Truth in relating to The "SONSHIP" of JESUS CHRIST! But it will be allow when JESUS get Here, and The Kingdom Rule will be HONOR! For HE Will Rule with a "IRON SCEPTER" a Shared RULED and It will not be with Angels, But it will be with The "Sons of GOD" who are "The GLORIFICATION of GOD" who will be Manifesting The GLORY of GOD throughout Eternity, and being Magnified every moment, brighter and Brighter than the moment before and will not have a end. The Glory of GOD. For this have been decided and planed before The FOUNDATION of THE WORLDS! All Created in "CHRIST JESUS" who is our "LORD"! And not theirs. For all of this hidden from them and all who are the people of The World who lives in DARKNESS!

Before "ABRAHAM was, I AM" The BIBLE has not the AUTHORITY OF GOD, but "THE WORD OF GOD" Does.

Don't get your understand mix up. The Bible is not "Authoritative" The "WORD of GOD" is. "and i am not a teacher and i cannot teach anything or explain How Jesus is "LORD"!

"Chicago Statement of Bible Inerrancy" I am in agreement with the STATEMENT.

theQuestion · Nov 25, 2021

PloughBoy said:
Baloney, that is a corrupt statement. The Angels can never be "GOD"! For Jesus is GOD in the Flesh and Has always been GOD.

Didn't Christ say in PRAYER to his God " You, the ONLY true God!"
Know what the word "ONLY" means?
Scripture: Both angels and Jesus are the son of GOD! Saying 'baloney' to THAT?

Reba1 · Nov 25, 2021

theQuestion said:
Didn't Christ say in PRAYER to his God " You, the ONLY true God!"
Know what the word "ONLY" means?
Scripture: Both angels and Jesus are the son of GOD! Saying 'baloney' to THAT?

Ignore feature of this forum works great.

Hitch · Nov 25, 2021

theQuestion said:
Didn't Christ say in PRAYER to his God " You, the ONLY true God!"
Know what the word "ONLY" means?
Scripture: Both angels and Jesus are the son of GOD! Saying 'baloney' to THAT?

Yawn please at least come up with something less tired.

Hitch · Nov 25, 2021

Reba1 said:
Ignore feature of this forum works great.

theQuestion · Nov 25, 2021

Yes- the words of Christ IGNORED.

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