Don't Pray For Me

Admon Mikha'el · Jul 16, 2021

PloughBoy said:
I am going to throw this into the "gumbo" since confirmation is at the task. concerning the Biblical text referring to The Letter address to the unruly and unorthodox Assembly located in the city of "Corinth". They was doing everything, in the City "Corinth" so many different kinds of "Hocus Pocus" Religions, Greek Gods, Greek GODDESSES, Love gods, sex gods, sea gods, Temples everywhere, And they where also a lot "Glossolalia" going on! There was no Christian Buildings in "Corinth" the only "Circe" around there was "Idolatry" Temples. Just about on every corner, trinkets galore.l
The Corinth Assembly was doing all kinds of crazy stuff, One dude was sleeping with his daddies wife and everybody knew it. And did not say one word against it. And they was doing a lot more. These are newly converts who where pagans! "toga partying" specialist. Temples Orgies, "come out from among them" Women who use to be "Temple Prostitutes", "Temple Priestesses".
There was no rules or regulations, really for the new converts. And they bought a lot of that attitude into the Assemblies of believers. Even the greeks pagan worshippers who worship other gods had prophets, and priestesses, and when they change religion they brought some of that stuff with them.

Now can you see how the word "TONGUES" which means "languages" turns into a "Glossolalia". Easy. And don't forget, just because you got a greek Lexicon don't mean they had one. LOL!

I going to say, right now. The devil ain't no dummy. He is smart, you need Jesus to combat him. He does have his hands in "Definitions" and word changes, Etymology.

Some might say; Well the greek word for this, and it means this. LOL. What you are reading sometimes in your Bible ,today, there was no greek word relating to that in the context you are reading when it was spoken. So a word was skip in to days context of the greek language because they did not need a "bridge word" for that portion. The people had common sense in that vernacular.

"Tongues" [ Foreign "LANGUAGES"].

Well sir, the gift of tongues is a real thing...Just because Satan has a counterfeit is no reason to throw out the real thing....and all your gobbley gook does not change that...What Waggles says is correct, tongues is a good way to pray in the spirit, but I add that it is not the only way to pray in the spirit.
Then, just because some "Christians" abuse a gift does not make the gift bad, just the wrong usage of it Are you the type of person that loves to throw babies and bathwater together into the trash? It looks like it.

Admon Mikha'el · Jul 16, 2021

Hekuran said:
Yrs. I'd say well-intentioned but misguided prayers don't do any harm. And they probably don't do too much good.

A verse about a roaring lion skulking about looking for someone to devour comes to mind.....What makes that person a target? Satan is an opportunist, a legalist and whether or not you want to believe it, the world lives by legalities....Jesus had to be born into a human body because it would have been illegal for Him to simply kick Satan off the planet... Even God has to abide by the rules, even though God made the rules....Satan is working within the rules set out and he is a good lawyer.
God created all that is by Words and gave us the same abilities....There is a lot of scriptue that warns us to be careful of our words, and for good reason...We're told of the power of the tongue, how our words can heal or destroy....Do you think thats just words to fill the book? You need to take a deeper look into the subject

Hekuran · Jul 16, 2021

Cast all your anxiety on him, because he cares for you. Discipline yourselves, keep alert. Like a roaring lion your adversary the devil prowls around, looking for someone to devour. Resist him, steadfast in your faith, for you know that your brothers and sisters in all the world are undergoing the same kinds of suffering.

Bless you @Admon Mikha'el

Admon Mikha'el · Jul 16, 2021

Hekuran said:
Cast all your anxiety on him, because he cares for you. Discipline yourselves, keep alert. Like a roaring lion your adversary the devil prowls around, looking for someone to devour. Resist him, steadfast in your faith, for you know that your brothers and sisters in all the world are undergoing the same kinds of suffering.

Bless you @Admon Mikha'el

Yup That's the verse

PloughBoy · Jul 16, 2021

Admon Mikha'el said:
Well sir, the gift of tongues is a real thing...Just because Satan has a counterfeit is no reason to throw out the real thing....and all your gobbley gook does not change that...What Waggles says is correct, tongues is a good way to pray in the spirit, but I add that it is not the only way to pray in the spirit.
Then, just because some "Christians" abuse a gift does not make the gift bad, just the wrong usage of it Are you the type of person that loves to throw babies and bathwater together into the trash? It looks like it.

I will say this again the English word is Language. Not a trump up word with a new different meaning with your own definition "TONGUES" how come so many
people are so blind to a simple meaning of a simple word! And gave a HOODOO meaning to a plain word! the english word is LANGUAGES! Talking ABOUT WALKING IN THE DARK! IF I SAY TREE, you say car! No it is a tree, you say no it is a car! LOL! Hypothetically, if you got the word Languages wrong pertaining to the BIBLE, hypothetically, and use this same concept and Hermeneutics on your approach to other portions of the Bible.

Jesus sure must be on HIS way, going at this rate, ain't nobody going to get save. Or "The Lost Pages of The Bible" is going to take on a new meaning.

Well the greek says this. Who said in AD 50 there was "Greek Lexicon" or a bible. They didn't even have paper! Even when they went to the bath room they use a stick with their left hand!

You know what, y'all make my day! "TONGUES" Before 20th century that popular, They tried that back in the 1st century, it didn't work. AZUSA Street
in 1906 had a good and Bless Revival under Rev. William Seymour son of a former slaves. "Glossolalia" got cleared up for "The Truth".

But please read the real "History" of " AZUSA Street" and early 1st. century attempt of another group to raise a "Glossolalia" movement.

PS. Most people are only reading weak "translations, Paraphrases, Mix paraphrases blended into weak translations. that are Bias. Because they are easy to read and there is a demand for easy reading bibles.

"supply and demand" Easy translations is a "cash cow".

Conclusion, If you are not serious don't act like you are serious. That is what you call deception. And that is what the Devils criteria is,
DECEPTION.

How much, is this true, and how much is false, what the devil said to EVE?

(Genesis 3)NASB
"The serpent said to the woman, “You certainly will not die! For God knows that on the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will become like God, knowing good and evil.”

(Genesis 3:22)NASB
"Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;"

The Devil may use deception on you. But when He goes to GOD about you, He is Going with "THE TRUTH" He ain't taking LIES

BunnyOnion · Jul 16, 2021

Who are we when we argue about what prayer is , "properly and according to scripture"?

"Don't pray for me". You also said you don't

need hugs or appreciate them. OK.

PloughBoy · Jul 16, 2021

And the Bible says: "He should pray"...................................And if he is sick................He should call...........The ELDERS of "The TRUE CHURCH" Born of GOD..

"Is any one of you suffering? He should pray. Is anyone cheerful? He should sing praises. ... Is any one of you sick? HE SHOULD CALL FOR the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick. The Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.…"

Do it GOD"S way.. And not, the way you feel, "Nadab and Abihu".

Admon Mikha'el · Jul 16, 2021

PloughBoy said:
And the Bible says: "He should pray"...................................And if he is sick................He should call...........The ELDERS of "The TRUE CHURCH" Born of GOD..

"Is any one of you suffering? He should pray. Is anyone cheerful? He should sing praises. ... Is any one of you sick? HE SHOULD CALL FOR the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick. The Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.…"

Do it GOD"S way.. And not, the way you feel, "Nadab and Abihu".

Did I say that I don't pray? Really? Where did I say that?

Admon Mikha'el · Jul 16, 2021

BunnyOnion said:
Who are we when we argue about what prayer is , "properly and according to scripture"?

"Don't pray for me". You also said you don't need hugs or appreciate them. OK.

Bunny We are not discussing what prayer is...We were discussing praying according to Gods Word...Though a couple people want to take it in different directions....I was not talking about tongues or Ploughboys word of the day "Glossolalia" though I did respond to it a time or two

PloughBoy · Jul 16, 2021

Admon Mikha'el said:
Did I say that I don't pray? Really? Where did I say that?

I am not referring to you. LOL I am referring to the Book of James.

(James 5)BSB
13Is any one of you suffering? He should pray. Is anyone cheerful? He should sing praises. 14Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15And the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick. The Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.…

It is nobody business about your prayer life. that is between you and GOD!

BunnyOnion · Jul 16, 2021

Admon Mikha'el said:
Bunny We are not discussing what prayer is...We were discussing praying according to Gods Word...Though a couple people want to take it in different directions....I was not talking about tongues or Ploughboys word of the day "Glossolalia" though I did respond to it a time or two

God's word speaks of and to many kinds of prayer.
Were communities dedicated to his word to be in compliance with one passage one may wonder if there would be a board dedicated to prayer.
Matthew 6.

Tongues in scripture is also a word for languages

There are four types of tongues referred to in the scriptures.

When the 12 were to set out on the Great Commission they would need to speak the tongues of the foreigners they'd meet in order to spread the good news to them in their own language.
Acts 2

PloughBoy · Jul 16, 2021

DO it the way Jesus said do it. And don't do it they way they do it.

"Jesus told us" us , not them, but us

But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

“Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him. In this manner, therefore, pray:

Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

"The Simplicity of Christ"

PloughBoy · Jul 16, 2021

BunnyOnion said:
God's word speaks of and to many kinds of prayer.
Were communities dedicated to his word to be in compliance with one passage one may wonder if there would be a board dedicated to prayer.
Matthew 6.

Tongues in scripture is also a word for languages

There are four types of tongues referred to in the scriptures.

When the 12 were to set out on the Great Commission they would need to speak the tongues of the foreigners they'd meet in order to spread the good news to them in their own language.
Acts 2

(Acts 2)

And they were all filled [that is, diffused throughout their being] with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues (different languages), as the Spirit was giving them the ability to speak out [clearly and appropriately].

Christian Standard Bible
Then they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in different tongues, as the Spirit enabled them.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in different languages, as the Spirit gave them ability for speech.

American Standard Version
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And all of them were filled with The Spirit of Holiness, and they were going out speaking in various languages, according to whatever The Spirit was giving them to speak.

Contemporary English Version
The Holy Spirit took control of everyone, and they began speaking whatever languages the Spirit let them speak.

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tongues
γλώσσαις (glōssais)
Noun - Dative Feminine Plural
Strong's 1100: The tongue; by implication, a language.

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How many years did you take "Koine Greek"
And how many languages have you taken, and are you familiar with Hebrew and New Testament Greek? and Familiar with the "Englishman Greek Concordance" and Vine's New Testament words, in context.

Sometimes we should leave things alone.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."

Times are changing, and "Judgment begins at the House of GOD"!

Admon Mikha'el · Jul 16, 2021

PloughBoy said:
(Acts 2)

And they were all filled [that is, diffused throughout their being] with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues (different languages), as the Spirit was giving them the ability to speak out [clearly and appropriately].

Christian Standard Bible
Then they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in different tongues, as the Spirit enabled them.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in different languages, as the Spirit gave them ability for speech.

American Standard Version
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And all of them were filled with The Spirit of Holiness, and they were going out speaking in various languages, according to whatever The Spirit was giving them to speak.

Contemporary English Version
The Holy Spirit took control of everyone, and they began speaking whatever languages the Spirit let them speak.

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tongues
γλώσσαις (glōssais)
Noun - Dative Feminine Plural
Strong's 1100: The tongue; by implication, a language.

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How many years did you take "Koine Greek"
And how many languages have you taken, and are you familiar with Hebrew and New Testament Greek? and Familiar with the "Englishman Greek Concordance" and Vine's New Testament words, in context.

Sometimes we should leave things alone.
Oh Bunny! I guess he told you! Huh?

Yennee · Jul 17, 2021

The murmurings of the Spirit, which are too deep for any man to hear, translate, add, and correct for us during intercession / prayer. I know there have been things I had not words for, which uttered forth intangible, yet felt. I cannot always find the "perfect words" , but the Lord receives and understands perfectly!

I do feel this way about unbelievers, or fakes: a man who wanted me to get him alcohol insisted he wanted to pray when I offered to pray for him of his addiction, and he insisted and began immediately and said that he heard not to turn to the right hand nor to the left, and he said God bless America, and things, and I percieved in my Spirit his prayer was evil. Sure enough, he retained insisting I get him alcohol , and rejected food and water , but ate grapes off the ground.

My own mother prayed we all die together, and I *knew*, though I was younger in my venture, it was wicked. I closed the prayer, but my soul did not affirm it, and I opened a private prayer to tell the Lord I did not affirm this wickedness ; but how could I correct my own blasphemous Mother!?

It concerns what shall come forth from the mouths of those praying, because my very soul has been offended at their blasphemies! People I *thought* to be part of the body saying and wanting evil in their hearts and defiling with their lips that speak perversion and lies!

As for me, I have spoken things in prayer and been corrected in troubling and even fear, not knowing what I was saying, nor understanding the severity thereof! I have even had to pray as to what to pray for, when I know there is something wrong, and cannot discern what, especially not with clarity for words! It is a great Comfort to have the Holy Spirit interceed with mmurmurings!

Yennee · Jul 17, 2021

Why can't I edit my post? I wanted to add that I have many medical and other problems that I have prayed healing for and not yet received. Maybe I simply need to build up my trust, faith, and to have my views corrected. Maybe I am a weaker sister, right now.

ABBA has granted us that "wine be medicine unto us and not evil" on for those bottles we blessed in observing of high Sabbaths, only.

ABBA has made it achievable to eat my allergy foods with my bro, without harm, even though I was bitter, knowing I was not going to be able to prove I had those allergies, and had gone in expecting to suffer, but believing we needed this occasion to eat together in piece.

In affirmation and doubtless faith (even if one has little faith), prayer is powerful. Even alone it is. But it helps to have a fellow in Yahoshua, because it strengthens our faith to see theirs, where 2 are gathered together in Yahoshua's name. Things 1 of us never thought to pray, and faith I'm areas we were lacking is strengthening, teaching, correcting, and comforting to whitness and percieve in the Spirit. But, we must accept these things for good, and learn not to put that we aren't good enough, not put one another down for being the weaker sibling in our Lord.

Bill · Jul 18, 2021

Admon Mikha'el said:
Strange title?...I don't think so... I will only agree with prayers that line up with Gods Word...for good reason.

Prayer must be in agreement with the Word....If you pray in agreement with the Word, you are praying God's will.
Conversely, if you pray opposite to the Word you are not praying God's will...and you cannot expect God to answer.

So, Question...If God cannot answer your prayer because it's not in accordance with His Word...Who will answer it?
Satan and his demons just hang around you continually listening to every single word you speak...and they are legalists...They will take every empty, thoughtless, and profane word you speak, and use it against you...Just like in court...Profane, by the way, means words that contradict Gods Word. Praying opposite of Gods word is like running into a gale force wind...You burn all of your energy and get nowhere.

I've heard so many Christians praying "Oh God, If it be they will, heal me." IF it be His will? Really? What does the Word say? Its Gods will that ALL of His kids walk in perfect health, always..look at 1 Peter 2:24 You were healed...THere is no 'if' there...
Its God's will that His kids prosper in all areas...and not live in poverty...
3 John 2 Dear friend, I am praying that everything prosper with you and that you be in good health, as I know you are prospering spiritually. (Yes Financial prosperity fits in there too) Yes financial is a part of 'everything'.

I'll stop here...This is getting too long. If you want to pray for me, please please pray the Word..

I never did understand why Christians like putting God in a box. If you talk to God from your heart it's already in line with everything there is with God.

I believe people forget did the Bible is the Cornerstone of Our Lives it is not the whole building. Jesus referred to himself as a Cornerstone and that we are to build our building on that Cornerstone.

God created nature as an example things that we should look for in own lives as well. So when we see the mother Robin pushing the young out of the nest to fly we understand that is it in God's nature for us to learn to walk on their own or to fly on her own. God knows that our lives are in him but sometimes he wants us to step out in faith with no backup no where to go in the scripture except put our trust in him

Admon Mikha'el · Jul 18, 2021

Bill said:
I never did understand why Christians like putting God in a box. If you talk to God from your heart it's already in line with everything there is with God.

I believe people forget did the Bible is the Cornerstone of Our Lives it is not the whole building. Jesus referred to himself as a Cornerstone and that we are to build our building on that Cornerstone.

God created nature as an example things that we should look for in own lives as well. So when we see the mother Robin pushing the young out of the nest to fly we understand that is it in God's nature for us to learn to walk on their own or to fly on her own. God knows that our lives are in him but sometimes he wants us to step out in faith with no backup no where to go in the scripture except put our trust in him

I'm not sure I understand your point...Are you saying any kind of prayer is good...kind of shotgun prayers.... God knows what I mean kind of thing? Or what?

Brad Huber · Jul 18, 2021

Yennee said:
Why can't I edit my post? I wanted to add that I have many medical and other problems that I have prayed healing for and not yet received. Maybe I simply need to build up my trust, faith, and to have my views corrected. Maybe I am a weaker sister, right now.

ABBA has granted us that "wine be medicine unto us and not evil" on for those bottles we blessed in observing of high Sabbaths, only.

ABBA has made it achievable to eat my allergy foods with my bro, without harm, even though I was bitter, knowing I was not going to be able to prove I had those allergies, and had gone in expecting to suffer, but believing we needed this occasion to eat together in piece.

In affirmation and doubtless faith (even if one has little faith), prayer is powerful. Even alone it is. But it helps to have a fellow in Yahoshua, because it strengthens our faith to see theirs, where 2 are gathered together in Yahoshua's name. Things 1 of us never thought to pray, and faith I'm areas we were lacking is strengthening, teaching, correcting, and comforting to whitness and percieve in the Spirit. But, we must accept these things for good, and learn not to put that we aren't good enough, not put one another down for being the weaker sibling in our Lord.

You only have so many minutes after submitting a post, that you can edit it.

Admon Mikha'el · Jul 18, 2021

We will win or lose by the way we speak....If we speak profane words, words contrary to Gods Word, we will wind up in a world of hurt....Same when we pray. We MUST pray according to Gods Word! That's His will for us...what He says...Look

Matthew 12:34-37

34 You snakes! How can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what overflows from the heart. 35 The good person brings forth good things from his store of good, and the evil person brings forth evil things from his store of evil. 36 Moreover, I tell you this: on the Day of Judgment people will have to give account for every careless word they have spoken; 37 for by your own words you will be acquitted, and by your own words you will be condemned.”

Ephesians 5:4-6

3 Among you there should not even be mentioned sexual immorality, or any kind of impurity, or greed; these are utterly inappropriate for God’s holy people. 4 Also out of place are obscenity and stupid talk or coarse language; instead, you should be giving thanks. 5 For of this you can be sure: every sexually immoral, impure or greedy person — that is, every idol-worshipper — has no share in the Kingdom of the Messiah and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty talk; for it is because of these things that God’s judgment is coming on those who disobey him.

Ecclesiastes 10:12-14

12 The words spoken by the wise bring them favor, but the lips of a fool swallow him up.
13 What he says starts with foolishness and ends with wicked madness.
14 A fool keeps talking and talking, yet no one knows what the future will bring — can anyone tell a person what will happen after he’s gone?

James 3:8-10

8 but the tongue no one can tame — it is an unstable and evil thing, full of death-dealing poison! 9 With it we bless Adonai, the Father; and with it we curse people, who were made in the image of God.[a] 10 Out of the same mouth come blessing and cursing! Brothers, it isn’t right for things to be this way.

Proverbs 17:20 One whose heart is corrupt does not prosper; one whose tongue is perverse falls into trouble.

John 14:23-24

23 Yeshua answered him, “If someone loves me, he will keep my word; and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Someone who doesn’t love me doesn’t keep my words — and the word you are hearing is not my own but that of the Father who sent me.

Ephesians 4:29-30 Complete Jewish Bible

29 Let no harmful language come from your mouth, only good words that are helpful in meeting the need, words that will benefit those who hear them. 30 Don’t cause grief to God’s Ruach HaKodesh, for he has stamped you as his property until the day of final redemption.

Ephesians 4:24-25

24 and clothe yourselves with the new nature created to be godly, which expresses itself in the righteousness and holiness that flow from the truth.

25 Therefore, stripping off falsehood, let everyone speak truth with his neighbor,[a] because we are intimately related to each other as parts of a body.

These are just a few verses about how we speak....You can find many more if you are interested in finding Gods will for you, If you are interested in getting answers to prayer or simply prospering in your endeavors

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