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Brad Huber said:
Angels werent made to have children. They joined with women because they couldnt and wanted to have children, probably for pleasure as well. As I said, the seed of life is different though, not so sure they were capable of creating it like they did the bodies. But there are ways around that, become a female succubus, take the seed of a man, manipulate it, and then use the form of a man to implant it into a woman.
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The succubus reference is inappropriate.

The holy spirit begat Jesus, himself, upon Mary.
Fallen angels begat children upon human women.
Angel means messenger.
We imagine these fallen messengers were etherial. However, that they felt lust and helped women conceive a race of giants leads to envisioning flesh and blood beings.

Jesus was holy spirit in the flesh. It isn't impossible fallen angels were in the flesh precisely due to their being cast from heaven.
 
Admon Mikha'el said:
You're just speculating...It does not say explicitly?!! Yet you put down the people who you feel are speculating? What goes here on?
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You're speaking to the wrong member.
I never put anyone down.

Jesus appeared in a room where the door was locked.

Koine Greek John 20:19
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Bible Gateway passage: John 20 - Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament

Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and she saw the stone removed from the tomb. So she went running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken our Master out of the tomb, and we...
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JerryfromMass said:
Jude :6 and :7 are mutually exclusive statements: one speaks of fallen angels, the other of fallen humans. You are twisting scripture to fit your narrative of angels having sex with human women. It's all speculative and unbiblical.
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No.
What is umbiblical is denying what is written because you don't agree with the message as written.
 
BunnyOnion said:
You're speaking to the wrong member.
I never put anyone down.

Jesus appeared in a room where the door was locked.

Koine Greek John 20:19
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Bible Gateway passage: John 20 - Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament

Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and she saw the stone removed from the tomb. So she went running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken our Master out of the tomb, and we...
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LOL Oops!!
 
JerryfromMass said:
What does the word "appeared" mean to you? God's word says Jesus appeared, then He was gone. What does that tell you? It tells me he appeared and disappeared at will because Jesus is God. Go ahead, you ask Him. He'll tell you same He told me.
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John 20:19
19 In the evening that same day, the first day of the week, when the talmidim were gathered together behind locked doors out of fear of the Judeans, Yeshua came, stood in the middle and said, “Shalom aleikhem!”

appeared?
 
Just for clarity sake, we are talking about John 20:26 correct?

And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. (Jn. 20:26 KJV)
 
Butch5 said:
Just for clarity sake, we are talking about John 20:26 correct?

And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. (Jn. 20:26 KJV)
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That's right Butch
 
BunnyOnion said:
The succubus reference is inappropriate.

The holy spirit begat Jesus, himself, upon Mary.
Fallen angels begat children upon human women.
Angel means messenger.
We imagine these fallen messengers were etherial. However, that they felt lust and helped women conceive a race of giants leads to envisioning flesh and blood beings.

Jesus was holy spirit in the flesh. It isn't impossible fallen angels were in the flesh precisely due to their being cast from heaven.
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The situation with Mary and the Holy Spirit would not have been done is such a way of course, God the Holy Spirit would have access to the seed of life as it comes from God, not from man. And fallen angels are corrupted, they will do anything regardless of how bad it is to accomplish their purpose.
As to fallen angels becoming flesh and blood humans, well thats on you, your assumption, not mine. I have nothing I have read or inspired by the Holy Spirit that tells me that happened.
 
Take a look at this page of translations. Notice how some translate it 'a week later' and others translate it 'after 8 days'. Also note that some say the doors were shut and some say the doors were locked. The Greek text says after 8 days. It also says the doors were shut. This goes to a point I'm always trying to make. The translations that say a week later and the doors were locked are not accurate. They are imposing something on the text that is not there. In this instance it doesn't really change anything. However, there are instances where it does change things. This is why I'm always harping on translations and I check the original languages to see what the verse actually says. Because translators do this. Whether it's intentional or not is irrelevant. The fact that they do it is something we need to keep in mind.

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John 20:26 ESV - Eight days later, his disciples… | Biblia

Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them...
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Butch5 said:
Take a look at this page of translations. Notice how some translate it 'a week later' and others translate it 'after 8 days'. Also note that some say the doors were shut and some say the doors were locked. The Greek text says after 8 days. It also says the doors were shut. This goes to a point I'm always trying to make. The translations that say a week later and the doors were locked are not accurate. They are imposing something on the text that is not there. In this instance it doesn't really change anything. However, there are instances where it does change things. This is why I'm always harping on translations and I check the original languages to see what the verse actually says. Because translators do this. Whether it's intentional or not is irrelevant. The fact that they do it is something we need to keep in mind.

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John 20:26 ESV - Eight days later, his disciples… | Biblia

Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them...
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Butch, your friend Jerry could explain that to you better than I can, I'm sure. Witness with tell of the same event from their perspective...ten witnesses ten different 'stories'...But when you put them together the picture becomes clear...A week is seven days, but some thought it was eight days...eight days could loosely be called a week if one is not too sticky about it....Closed, locked, barred can all mean the same thing too...Put all the translations together a nd what picture do they draw? Seven or eight days later...all the disciples were gathered together,.. because they were afraid of their detractors, the doors were sethe so they could not be opened.....Isn't that what the verses say?
 
Its still close to a hunnert degrees outside, and the sun is going down...I'm going to take my wife for a ride in the AC pickemup truck. I'll be back
 
Admon Mikha'el said:
Butch, your friend Jerry could explain that to you better than I can, I'm sure. Witness with tell of the same event from their perspective...ten witnesses ten different 'stories'...But when you put them together the picture becomes clear...A week is seven days, but some thought it was eight days...eight days could loosely be called a week if one is not too sticky about it....Closed, locked, barred can all mean the same thing too...Put all the translations together a nd what picture do they draw? Seven or eight days later...all the disciples were gathered together,.. because they were afraid of their detractors, the doors were sethe so they could not be opened.....Isn't that what the verses say?
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But they're not witnessing anything. They are translating a text that doesn't change. They can look at it as many times as the want to. To say the doors are shut and the doors are locked are two different things. As I said, it doesn't really change anything here. But there are passages where it makes a huge difference. If we allow translators to be sloppy with the text where do we draw the line? How far do we let them go before it's too far? Should we let them go as far as the translators of the New World Translation?
 
Admon Mikha'el said:
Its still close to a hunnert degrees outside, and the sun is going down...I'm going to take my wife for a ride in the AC pickemup truck. I'll be back
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See? I came back...The sun just went down and its cooling off nicely. We saw serveral deer and eight elk...and the golden green light was lovely as the sun set...at 10 PM
 
Admon Mikha'el said:
John 20:19
19 In the evening that same day, the first day of the week, when the talmidim were gathered together behind locked doors out of fear of the Judeans, Yeshua came, stood in the middle and said, “Shalom aleikhem!”

appeared?
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Yes. At will.

Mark 16:12, 14 he appeared
 
Butch5 said:
But they're not witnessing anything. They are translating a text that doesn't change. They can look at it as many times as the want to. To say the doors are shut and the doors are locked are two different things. As I said, it doesn't really change anything here. But there are passages where it makes a huge difference. If we allow translators to be sloppy with the text where do we draw the line? How far do we let them go before it's too far? Should we let them go as far as the translators of the New World Translation?
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I didn't know 'we' were 'allowing' translators To 'do' anything / be 'sloppy'.

Do you even know what a translator Does? How it's done?

There's a difference between a translation and a version.

Is it possible that a person doesn't Like what various passages Are Saying. Just because 'we' don't understand the how's or why's of a particular passage, does not make it Wrong.

A shut door means it needs to be opened to go in or out of it. A locked door means that it can't Be opened without a key. In the case of Jesus Christ and His resurrected / glorified body -- He was able to go Through anywhere He wanted to.

That's what Our glorified body will be like. But what the environment will be like in the New Jerusalem -- with our glorified body -- we don't know. We Are given a description in Revelation 21 starting in verse 11 of the city itself -- it's beauty.
Other than That -- we Do have the example of what Jesus Christ was able to do After His resurrection / His glorified body. We will probably be doing the same thing. Our environment consists of doors that need to be opened and closed.

Our experience as human beings Now doesn't understand that environment.
 
Does it really matter if it was a week or 8 days? Or if the door was shut or locked. The passage in NKJ uses the word 'shut'. The ESV uses the word "locked'. It's not a matter of doctrine.

Now if a person says that the earth Couldn't have been created in the 6 days and 24 hr days because it's just not Reasonable is to not trust the reliability Of what God is stating Did Happen. God is Telling us in Genesis exactly how He Created this world and How He did it and in the Time Frame that it took place. And That rules out the concept of evolutionary thinking. And God's omnipotence is being questioned.

And the Fact that Jesus Christ rose from the dead on the 3rd day Does matter. It didn't take place on the 2nd or 4th day. Though I've never heard anyone arguing that point. Now there Is the disagreement regarding Sabboth or 1st Day of the week / the Lord's day Worship. Those who feel led to stay with the Old Testament Sabboth day of rest / worship of God AND those who change to honoring the resurrection of Jesus Christ on 1st day of the week. The point Being -- make sure a person Does take one day To rest - worship God. But we Also need to realize that the economy doesn't cooperate with that . If a person works for a business that goes 7 days a week with shift work -- a person attends church when their work shift allows. And even Nowdays -- coming out of COVID -- employment is questionable at best. We Need to take time To Worship God. with fellow believers.

So -- yes, some things Are important and some things Aren't. Doctrine is Vital -- other things can be given 'wiggle room'.

Some people are Strong KJV and others are Strong NAS and Others Won't use the Older NIV Or the newer ESV. And lots of us use the NKJ.
 
Admon Mikha'el said:
This is really sad! Two different situations Philip was moved all right From an open place to an open place... Jesus entered a room with four walls a ceiling and a floor...and the door was locked...Does it matter whether he went through a wall or a door? Really? He went into the room!
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It doesn't matter whether He went through a wall or a door. What matters is how He got there. Read post 98 and you'll see just what I mean. Many believe Jesus could go through walls with His "resurrected body". From this they conclude that they too, will he able to go through walls with their "resurrected body". However, if, on the other hand, God miraculously put Him there, then He couldn't go through walls with His "resurrected body" and as such Christians won't be able to do it either.

This is how erroneous teachings start. Someone misunderstands something in the Scriptures, draws a conclusion, and then forms a belief based on that conclusion. Often that belief becomes the basis for other beliefs and before we know it people are out in left field.

Now, I think the reasonable person would look at this passage and say, I don't know how He got there. It could be, as some have suggested, that He had the ability to walk through matter. However, it could also be that God miraculously put Him there. We simply don't know. But, I think when we say this is the way it happened, we are in danger of being wrong and then subject to further error based on the first error.

That's why I think it matters
 
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