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True Prophets vs False Prophets (Can a true prophet of God be wrong?)

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Admon Mikha'el

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Sorry to hear that you are dealing with dementia.

I don't have dementia, as I'm 38, but I notice that because I type so fast or seem to be in a rush, I often have tons of typos. It can be embarrassing. I go back over my post
and I'm reading it, and I'm like, who wrote, this :p . I see words there that I did not tell my brain to type. I've caught myself doing it before. I'll start typing (just did it now)
and I'm thinking a word, but my fingers type something different. The sentence previously I was trying to type the word "typing" but I put the word "thinking" and had to go
back and erase it. I think I'm thinking faster than I type and expect my fingers to keep up. I need to slow down when I type and proof read better, myself.
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LOL I don't tell people about the dementia because I want them to feel sorry, I tell them because it makes it easier for many people to understand better where I'm coming from...(I hate bad spelling) For me, to be pitied, well it really disgusts me, at me. I laughed when you said the brain thinks faster than you can write...and that is really true...The closest you can come to typing as fast as you can think is a voice dictation program....I'm setting up Dragon Naturally speaking on my computer but need to get a new mic...The silly dragon doesn't like the ones I have, including the built in mic....Dragons are strange!
 
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PloughBoy

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I understand too. Some times i don't know if it is the software of the grammar program or the program of the hardware program, of just plain me, as well. for i am old school typing too. When you type and do not look at the keys, you just type and return. Type and return. and you proofread 3 -4 times, and you wonder, where did that come from. And around the 5 time, forget it. You hit the Post reply button. And read it again. then you say; the devil is messing with me, especially when you post stick, and it is misspelled.
 
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Admon Mikha'el said:
In truth I would be surprised if I did not make a mistake somewhere.... I have dementia and things are getting more and more difficult...Where I used to type at around seventy wpm a month ago with no mistakes, in the time it took me to write this sentence I had to correct about twenty typos. I have to admit too that it's harder and harder for me to take offense because as time progresses I feel less and less emotion....Frustration anger and depression are what I feel most often but I can still recognize that there is seldom a cause for it. :eek:
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It is wisdom to admit faults, just remember, that in weakness, we are made strong. When we are weak in some way, thats how God can work through us, because we stop trying to do it on our own power.
 
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Brad Huber said:
It is wisdom to admit faults, just remember, that in weakness, we are made strong. When we are weak in some way, thats how God can work through us, because we stop trying to do it on our own power.
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Keeping in mind, of course, being made strong is trusting God to us His strengive work His strength through us. Right?
 
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Garee

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I think a true prophet could be wrong in his humanism just as a false prophet can bring the truth of God (prophecy) . It comes down to defining the word “prophecy” and is God served by human hands as a will? Acts informs us he is not served by human hands. . that he has no needs but satisfies all. Like he informed Paul .What do you have that you have not received .If you have freely received it why boast as if you did not. In that way we are warned not to think of the apostles or any man above that which is written.

A false prophet adds to the revealed will (prophecy) or subtracts from it. We are warned beforehand. . . the last revelation to John (Revelation) It gave us the perfect will. With no laws missing by which we could know our Holy Father more intimately. He sealed it up with 7 seals the number of perfection.

Nothing can be added to it or taken away from it. In that way the elect (believers) can try the spirits to see if they are of the prophecy of our living God that fall from heaven like rain or earthly inspired of the god of this world who takes away the understanding of God with false prophecy..In that way no man can serve two good teaching masters as Lord. We serve the unseen eternal as true riches not that seen the mammon the temporal riches

Mark 13:21-23 King James Version (KJV) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs (anointing teachers) and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were "possible", even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things
 
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Garee said:
I think a true prophet could be wrong in his humanism just as a false prophet can bring the truth of God (prophecy) . It comes down to defining the word “prophecy” and is God served by human hands as a will? Acts informs us he is not served by human hands. . that he has no needs but satisfies all. Like he informed Paul .What do you have that you have not received .If you have freely received it why boast as if you did not. In that way we are warned not to think of the apostles or any man above that which is written.

A false prophet adds to the revealed will (prophecy) or subtracts from it. We are warned beforehand. . . the last revelation to John (Revelation) It gave us the perfect will. With no laws missing by which we could know our Holy Father more intimately. He sealed it up with 7 seals the number of perfection.

Nothing can be added to it or taken away from it. In that way the elect (believers) can try the spirits to see if they are of the prophecy of our living God that fall from heaven like rain or earthly inspired of the god of this world who takes away the understanding of God with false prophecy..In that way no man can serve two good teaching masters as Lord. We serve the unseen eternal as true riches not that seen the mammon the temporal riches

Mark 13:21-23 King James Version (KJV) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs (anointing teachers) and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were "possible", even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things
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Garee, you do know of course that in the old days, (older than me), if a prophet gave a single prophesy that was wrong, he was to be stoned? Of course you knew, I am just reminding you of that...So a true prophet was not wrong...Today, I do not know of a single true prophet who will say "I am a prophet" I do know of many that flout the word prophet and are wrong most of the time..So many do have a true gift of prophesy and are not actually prophets. A prophet is not one who stands in the assembly and propesies once in a while. I would say a prophet is one whose main ministry is bringing Gods word. One stood on the stage one time and "prophesied" that Jesus was about to appear on his stage, at one of his meetings, in the flesh. It did not happen, but it was worded so the so called prophet could not be wrong....He has not done all of his meetings.
 
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Garee

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Admon Mikha'el said:
Garee, you do know of course that in the old days, (older than me), if a prophet gave a single prophesy that was wrong, he was to be stoned? Of course you knew, I am just reminding you of that...So a true prophet was not wrong...Today, I do not know of a single true prophet who will say "I am a prophet" I do know of many that flout the word prophet and are wrong most of the time..So many do have a true gift of prophesy and are not actually prophets. A prophet is not one who stands in the assembly and propesies once in a while. I would say a prophet is one whose main ministry is bringing Gods word. One stood on the stage one time and "prophesied" that Jesus was about to appear on his stage, at one of his meetings, in the flesh. It did not happen, but it was worded so the so called prophet could not be wrong....He has not done all of his meetings.
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THanks

My goal was not that those used to prophecy could be wrong as to word of true prophecy .But the prophet his self is not part of the words coming frpm God not seen . God can bring the gospel through a non beleiver. They can be wrong even in there own personal theology but not in words s God brings to them . Prophecy today for the last 2000 years is found in the book of prophecy the Bible . It cannot be added to or teken away from . As you said a prophet brings the existing will of God as it is written
 
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Admon Mikha'el said:
Garee, you do know of course that in the old days, (older than me), if a prophet gave a single prophesy that was wrong, he was to be stoned? Of course you knew, I am just reminding you of that...So a true prophet was not wrong...Today, I do not know of a single true prophet who will say "I am a prophet" I do know of many that flout the word prophet and are wrong most of the time..So many do have a true gift of prophesy and are not actually prophets. A prophet is not one who stands in the assembly and propesies once in a while. I would say a prophet is one whose main ministry is bringing Gods word. One stood on the stage one time and "prophesied" that Jesus was about to appear on his stage, at one of his meetings, in the flesh. It did not happen, but it was worded so the so called prophet could not be wrong....He has not done all of his meetings.
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Although that was the punishment for false prophets, it RARELY was every inforced, sort of like crimes from congressmen in the US. But to be fair, the jews were known for killing the prophets.... so..... probably the ones stoned on rare occasion might not have been false. Was stephan a false prophet when he was stoned. Jesus was accused of many things, but they decided to kill Him in a more painful way than stoning. Not disagreeing with you, just pointing out, that being stoned didnt nessesarily mean you were a false prophet.
 
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Jesus_is_LORD said:
If a true prophet of God can be wrong: we would ask why was He wrong?

(1) He didn't clearly hear from God?
(2) He heard from God but added to it?
(3) He had sin in his life which clouded his understanding of the prophecy?
(4) He heard from God but chose to lie?
(5) God changed God's mind?

The only reasonable answer for me would be number #5 (God changed God's mind). Add to my list so
I can better understand please.

If it is anything from #1 thru #4, one should not be listening to such a prophet anyway.

When I think about God changing God's mind, I think about Jonah.
Jonah(a prophet) told the people
"Jonah began by going a day's journey into the city, proclaiming, "Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.""
Jonah 3:5

Jonah didn't say, Repent or else God will overthrow the city. Jonah said, in Forty days IT WILL be overthrown.
A condition wasn't given. Which is why (if you know the story) Jonah was upset when destruction did not come.
It was spoken as if this would happen. Read for yourself.

But we all know the story (I hope), the people repented and God did not do what he told Jonah:

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"Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me." Jonah 1:2

---" Then the word of the LORD came to Jonah a second time: " "Go to the great city of Nineveh and proclaim to it the message I give you." - Jonah 3:1

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I could see someone at that time looking at Jonah and saying, he is a false prophet because what he said "Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown."
did not come to past.

So how are we as believers to address this issue?
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#1 thru #4 absolutely .

It is important , in my mind , to recognize, i am a sinner . I do a lot of stupid things . But almost daily the Father says to me ' come up here ' and i am before God where i am cleansed.

Knowing yourself to be a prophet is unimportant . But doing the will of God is.

When God declares a person a prophet, it isnt the one who calls himself that, those title are given.
 
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Bill

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Admon Mikha'el said:
In truth I would be surprised if I did not make a mistake somewhere.... I have dementia and things are getting more and more difficult...Where I used to type at around seventy wpm a month ago with no mistakes, in the time it took me to write this sentence I had to correct about twenty typos. I have to admit too that it's harder and harder for me to take offense because as time progresses I feel less and less emotion....Frustration anger and depression are what I feel most often but I can still recognize that there is seldom a cause for it. :eek:
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Please hear me , offer your Dementia up to the Lord. Offer it up as a sacrife to save sinners.

Jesus teaches us to follow Him. Accept your suffering, lift it up to the Lord as a prayer for sinners . Join with Jesus on the cross.
 
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Bill said:
Please hear me , offer your Dementia up to the Lord. Offer it up as a sacrife to save sinners.

Jesus teaches us to follow Him. Accept your suffering, lift it up to the Lord as a prayer for sinners . Join with Jesus on the cross.
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According to the Word, we are the healed....I'm just trying to decide whether I want to live or go home....Offering sickness and disease when we have no right to be sick is not scriptural...Its religious.
 
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Admon Mikha'el said:
According to the Word, we are the healed....I'm just trying to decide whether I want to live or go home....Offering sickness and disease when we have no right to be sick is not scriptural...Its religious.
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Being healed in your soul and offering up the sickness offered you , in the temple of the Holy Spirit are two different things

Your Dimentia, is a gift to join with Jesus . Jesus who was selfless . So become selfless in Christ
 
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Admon Mikha'el

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Bill said:
Being healed in your soul and offering up the sickness offered you , in the temple of the Holy Spirit are two different things

Your Dimentia, is a gift to join with Jesus . Jesus who was selfless . So become selfless in Christ
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I'm sorry Bill....That does not line up with the Word at all. That's religious doctrine...not Gods Word. I do thank you for caring though.
 
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Admon Mikha'el said:
I'm sorry Bill....That does not line up with the Word at all. That's religious doctrine...not Gods Word. I do thank you for caring though.
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Everything i tell you is scriptural . But i will not quote its location. So many are scholors here. " they read and read, but do not see"
 
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Admon Mikha'el

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Bill said:
Thanks Bill.... I really would like to see one single scripture that backs this stuff up...By Jesus stripes you are healed...Isa 53:3-5; By Jesus striped you were healed 1 Pete 2:24; He is the God who heals ALL of your diseases Ps 103:3 among many other verses that say we are the healed....The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. John 10:10 If Satan dumps his garbage onto you, why would you take that garbage and give it to God?
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Once God states , this is my Servant, this is my Prophet, that persons words will carry the authority of God's approval. Yet that person can error. And we see the resalts of God's appointed in the Old Testiment. Some remained true, as in Samuel , and others fell as in Sampson. So yes , even the elect can fail when they choose to set thier ideas above God
 
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twcstp111 said:
Here's how you know:

True prophets are not found in churches.
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That directly contradicts what Paul said to the church in Ephesus:
The gifts he gave were that some would be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until all of us come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to maturity, to the measure of the full stature of Christ.

The role of Prophets, alongside apostles, pastors, evangelists are to build up the church, the body of Christ.
 
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B-A-C

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twcstp111 said:
True prophets are not found in churches.
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1Cor 12:28; And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, and various kinds of tongues.
 
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