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Sins cannot be charged!

Brightfame52 said:
Unfortunately you are in serious error, to believe in salvation by works. The bible teaches against that.
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No works required to "get" saved. Works are required to stay saved.

There is one verses that says "not by works". However the very next verse says we are created for good works.
There are over 20 verses that say works are required. One verse against 20. You can stay with the one.
 
sounds like if we dont forgive, we wont be forgiven,,,,, that would be a condition IMO

Mark 11:25
And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.”

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Matthew 6:15
But if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Obeying our Lords commandments ,,,,,,another condition

1 John 2:4
Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
 
Or It could be a mirror of ones self.

And also a "If then else sign". in programming language. Motif.
 
B-A-C said:
No works required to "get" saved. Works are required to stay saved.

There is one verses that says "not by works". However the very next verse says we are created for good works.
There are over 20 verses that say works are required. One verse against 20. You can stay with the one.
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More error.!
 
Dave M said:
works are proof that you are saved,

there are certain conditions that are required to be saved.
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What kind of works are proof you are saved sir ? Then explain your comment "there are certain conditions that are required to be saved."

Finally, how does this have to do with the theme of the thread, sins not being charged to some ?
 
Brightfame52 said:
Unfortunately you are in serious error, to believe in salvation by works. The bible teaches against that.
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Hello Brightfame52,

If I am in error, then so was John the Apostle:-

'And many other signs truly did Jesus
in the presence of His disciples,
which are not written in this book:
But these are written, that ye might believe
that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
and that believing ye might have life through His name.'
(Joh 20:30)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
complete said:
Hello Brightfame52,

If I am in error, then so was John the Apostle:-

'And many other signs truly did Jesus
in the presence of His disciples,
which are not written in this book:
But these are written, that ye might believe
that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
and that believing ye might have life through His name.'
(Joh 20:30)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris
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No just you.
 
Another reason why God will not lay any charge against His Elect is because Christ who died for them, is now on the right hand of God making intercession for them!

Rom 8:34

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

See also Heb 7:25

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 14b
 
We will still "charged" with sin.

In a courtroom ...

Mr. Joe Smith you are charged with the crime of trespassing. How do you plead?

The thing is... we are all guilty. Everyone of us would have to plead guilty.

The accuser of the brethren (Satan) is the prosecuting attorney.

Jesus is the defense attorney (advocate). But if you really read Rom 8:34; even Jesus lays charges against some.

Rom 8:34; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, but rather, was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.

Who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is. He condemns and He "also intercedes".

But just because we are "charged" with a sin, doesn't mean we have to pay the penalty for that sin.

There is a belief by some that once we make to heaven with Jesus we are free and clear. But this is where Jesus judges everyone, saints, sinners, and even those who think they are saved. ( 2 Cor 5:10; Matt 7:21-23; )
If you believe in Jesus, repented, and lived righteously, Jesus is your advocate. If you don't believe in Jesus, or simply say you believe in Jesus but still live wickedly, you will be condemned.
 
GOD will not be mock! "Wages of Sins is Death"! "Do not put your LORD GOD to the test". Devils always tell the Eves, you shall not die, for God knows you shall be just like him when you sin. The Eves of this world always want to be just like GOD and give GOD orders and tell Him what to do and how to do it and Him what to say and how to say it. They do not want to be "COE" or "VP" they want to "President". They want to be GOD! But that "Great Woman" in Reverlation is going to be very disappointed. The Wages of Sin is death!
 
Ps 32:2

Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.1c

The reason for this is because their iniquity has been charged to their Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ. It has always been charged to Him, the Lamb slain fro the foundation Rev 13:18, the Lamb foreordained before the foundation of the world 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

All the sins Gods Elect were guilty of in Adam and in themselves, Christ had always been responsible by Law and Justice, and not them.
 
Because sin was never imputed to Gods Elect because it was imputed to their Saviour Surety from the foundation. We know this because scripture declares He was slain from the foundation of the world Rev 13:8

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

So why would He be slain ? Simple, for the sins of His Sheep/Elect/Church charged to Him and not them, though they are guilty of incurring them.

So Gods Elect were factually Justified from their sins before God from the foundation of the world !
 
Brightfame52 said:
not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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"from" the foundation of the world, some Bible translations say "since" the foundation of the world.
But even if someone's name is in the book of life...

Psa 69:28; May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous.
Rev 3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
Exod 32:33; The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
 
B-A-C said:
"from" the foundation of the world, some Bible translations say "since" the foundation of the world.
But even if someone's name is in the book of life...

Psa 69:28; May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous.
Rev 3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
Exod 32:33; The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
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Nothing has changed Sins arent imputed to them Christ died for.
 
No Christ wasn't actually slain for their sins from the foundation, save for Gods Eternal Purpose wherein time is swallowed up in eternity, but having their sins already charged to Him, He would come in the world " in the fullness of time Gal 4:4 and suffer and die and put away their sins before Gods Law and Justice Heb 9:26

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
 
So in light of the blessedness of non imputation the Elect of God were never legally responsible for their sins because Christ was as their Surety Heb 7:22

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

And what Testament or Covenant is that ? And when was He made the Surety of it ?13c
 
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