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It's believers, the Church coming out of the tribulation.
who are those that came out of the great tribulation????
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we all agree on that, the question is were they saved during the tribulation like so many teach, or were they saved before the tribulation therefore making the pre-trip timing on the rapture not correct
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The church has Always been in "tribulation" ALways! Hello always always. Then there will be a "Great Tribulation" period, that the world has never seen or ever have ever been. [The Restrainer will be taken away} then we will understand how Wicked mankind really is! Then we will understand why GOD will cast people into the "Lake of Fire" then we will really see and understand what man had turn into, when he "fell" in the Garden of Eden" then you will know why we had to become NEW Creatures by the new birth. The Good seed was planted before the Foundation of The world! The reason many christians don't understand is because of dis-obedience to his word and they think the salvation story is about them. And they refuse to acknowledge the truth about their own wicked-ness and not believing how wicked they really are, and the meaning of Grace.
So do not get "tribulation mix up with The Great tribulation" "If you are talking abot The Great tribulation say Great Tribulation" If you are talking about the Church period or era that is also called "a tribulation period." The whole church era is a tribulation period. Just say "The Church era" Then there is the The 1st. part of "The Great Tribulation period" then Threre is The last 3 1/2 year part of "The Great Tribulation period' Which "The Great Tribulation" has 2 parts. The church period is not one of the parts of "The Great Tribulation" neither is "Jacob's Trouble".
Now John did not come out of the "Great Tribulation" that no man could number. Don't you know that if John had come out of that number he would have known "Who they Were"! He did know that group because, John is a member of the "Church" that was in the "Rapture".
Everything I have been telling my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus since i been on "TalkJesus" ties together in place. concerning the "Salvation Story" from "Genesis to Revelation" the Purpose. The Mixing bowl, The Clay, The Breath, The Blood, The Potter, The Mold, The Pneumatic power, and The Furnace that will make it shine.
(Rev. 7:13)BSB
13Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
14“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”
So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15For this reason,
they are before the throne of God
and serve Him day and night in His temple; { Now what do they do night and Day]?
Now What will "The Body of Christ" do In Eternity? You know the Special people that was hidden in "Christ Jesus"! Hidden in the Old Testament, but then reveal in the New, revealed in Christ. Now what are they going to do, in "Eternity"?
answer:
American King James Version
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
New American Standard 1977
Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?
New American Standard 1977
Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, matters of this life?
(1 Cor 6
BSB
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! So if you need to settle everyday matters, do you appoint as judges those of no standing in the church?…
Berean Study Bible
You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign upon the earth.”
Revelation 20:4
Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
And I can go on and on in the Old Testament of these events that are Hidden in "Christ Jesus" But Reveal In Jesus Christ.
Berean Study Bible
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.
So do not get "tribulation mix up with The Great tribulation" "If you are talking abot The Great tribulation say Great Tribulation" If you are talking about the Church period or era that is also called "a tribulation period." The whole church era is a tribulation period. Just say "The Church era" Then there is the The 1st. part of "The Great Tribulation period" then Threre is The last 3 1/2 year part of "The Great Tribulation period' Which "The Great Tribulation" has 2 parts. The church period is not one of the parts of "The Great Tribulation" neither is "Jacob's Trouble".
Now John did not come out of the "Great Tribulation" that no man could number. Don't you know that if John had come out of that number he would have known "Who they Were"! He did know that group because, John is a member of the "Church" that was in the "Rapture".
Everything I have been telling my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus since i been on "TalkJesus" ties together in place. concerning the "Salvation Story" from "Genesis to Revelation" the Purpose. The Mixing bowl, The Clay, The Breath, The Blood, The Potter, The Mold, The Pneumatic power, and The Furnace that will make it shine.
(Rev. 7:13)BSB
13Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
14“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”
So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15For this reason,
they are before the throne of God
and serve Him day and night in His temple; { Now what do they do night and Day]?
Now What will "The Body of Christ" do In Eternity? You know the Special people that was hidden in "Christ Jesus"! Hidden in the Old Testament, but then reveal in the New, revealed in Christ. Now what are they going to do, in "Eternity"?
answer:
American King James Version
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
New American Standard 1977
Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?
New American Standard 1977
Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, matters of this life?
(1 Cor 6
BSBDo you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! So if you need to settle everyday matters, do you appoint as judges those of no standing in the church?…
Berean Study Bible
You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign upon the earth.”
Revelation 20:4
Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
And I can go on and on in the Old Testament of these events that are Hidden in "Christ Jesus" But Reveal In Jesus Christ.
Berean Study Bible
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.
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do you have any scripture for this?? I have herd many claim the church age ends before the tribulation or maybe it was the great trubulation,,,,,,,,,, me I dont think the church ages ends until Jesus returns and his 1000 reign begins
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Yes they were saved during the tribulation.
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thanks for your reply, do you have any scripture to support that ???????
the reason I ask is because the scripture I see in the bible says that in the end times many fall away, and it also says during the tribulation no one repents,,,,,, so its hard for me to understand how so many claim that there is a great revival in the end times when I see scripture that supports the exact opposite and have not found any scripture to support a great coming to Christ in the end times
Revelation 9:21
Nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.
Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk,
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
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The great tribulation happened to the Jews in 70 AD. If you think not, study the history of it. Jesus said it was the worst that ever was or ever shall be.
But the Christian Church has been under great tribulation as part of our calling. So there are two "great Tribulations" one is for the Jews until the end of time, says Paul. This includes Hitler and what's coming for them. And for the Church throughout history. Which we are appointed to.
“I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” Revelation 2:9 (KJV 1900)
“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude [Christians], which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.” Revelation 7:9–17 (KJV 1900)
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The scripture says they[the saved] came out of tribulation, duh ?
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could you point out the scripture for this,
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no it does not say they were saved DURING the tribulation, it does not say at all when they were saved
9 After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands.
10 And they cried out in a loud voice: Salvation to our God,who sits on the throne,and to the Lamb!
13Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes, he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?
14“Sir, I answered, “you know.
So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
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so your saying the Anti-Christ has been revealed ???
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The "Great Tribulation" happened to the Jews in 70 AD. Somebody told you that< there is no way you can come to that by reading your whole Bible! In whole Biblical Context> The only way a person comes to such conclusion, somebody posted and paste it in your mind. Personel study of The Bible can never come up with The fall of Jerusalem in A.D 70 as "The Great Tribulation" It is Totally out of Place . Just by reading the Jewish History of The Fall of A.D> 70 will make it plain to you> You have copied some one else work as you own, and called it "Biblical Truth"! Nothing more than "plagiarism"! And how do people even write something, down as such, and it has Not The anointing, The Breath Of GOD Blowing upon it. The "Spirit" of Truth blows not upon "Preterism", No "anoiniting upon that message. And I will not explain it , when God has made it plain for The true Child of God to plainly see the Truth!
For Jesus Himself has said: This Trouble will be Like no trouble has ever been and there will no other trouble as such after!
(Matt. 24)BSB
21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.…
"unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again."
we have had Terrible times ,a lot more worst than the "Fall of Jerusalem" of A.D. 70! Read your History books! and stop listening to people! read for yourself! Stop reading alll these money making Preachers who has made "Christianity" a way to make money! I have never read these "Charlatans"!
In The Great Tribulation The Restrainer will be taken away, And the world will see how wicked mankind really is! Once GOD HAD to Destroy the world because mankind is evil, very wicked and evil, Today man is more wicked than he was before the flood! Man is a terrible beast so evil GOD the Father is going to put him in the Lake of FIRE! and He is angry with the wicked everyday! and if You are not born of The Spirit of The Living GOD you are one of the wicked ones who He is angry everyday. And His Spirit has restrains on you! Like a beast, that has a "spiritual chain" on you, A chain on your thoughts, on your acts, But when the Rapture happens, Those restrains will come off, Now you will find out what man has really become after the Fall in eden had really become. Then There also wil be a "people of God" saved out of the "GREAT TRIBULATION" and Many will DIED VIOLENT DEATHS! SO VIOLENT, that will make the "Holocaust" look like a Sunday Picnic! Children, babies, women, no mercy, reject Christ or be burnt alive torture beyond all imagination. And during that last 3 1/2 years, right after that. If Jesus have not come back, "NO ONE WOULD, could endure the torturing in order to be saved, but for the benefit of those who have been "Chosen to be saved out of "The Great Tribulation" before The Foundation of the World Those DAYS has been Shorten that they can be saved.
Why is it so hard for "The Sons OF GOD" to read a good Translation of the BIBLE! and Need not the help of Sinful and corrupted MAn! Why do some Christians thinks GOD need help in this modern day time to help you read your BIBLE when He has sent the "Paraclete"
GOD speaks in Plain Language to HIS "SONS", He speaks in a Language they understands! The Veil in The Holy of The Holiless is Rip into ! Once you are Born of The SPIRIT, why do you need a corrupted creature to Teach you the Things of GOD? But everybody knows Jesus. Somebody is not Speaking the Truth!
And I am bold enough to say: I have study my Bible from front to back, and read different Translations over 100 times. and each book maybe over200 -400 times separately. And I will not let no man Explain to me what GOD has Said: when He has wrote in down in a book. I will not be no mans fool, when GOD has give me the Intelligence through His SON and His Spirit To read His WORD for MYSELF with Understanding.
This is what Jesus has DONE FOR every Man Woman and Child that They May Know His Plan for them. For Jesus is Your LIGHT and one you got Him You Need no MAn of Woman to teach you anything pertaining to the things of GOD!
He taught King David as a Child, He taught Samuel as a Child, He taught JOhn the Baptist as a Child, And The Holy Spirit CAN teach any one as He Pleases.
Child of GOD stop trusting these men and women and Trust GOD, He will tell you the Truth, They will teach you lies,
May the Lord bless each and everyone of You to Trust HIM with All you Heart , soul, and mind and strength. in HIS unadulterated WORD, without error.
I know my "Roman History" and The Church Fathers I know "That The Book of Revaltion" was Not Written until about 25 years after the Fall Of Jerusalem in A.D 70 The Book Of Revelation was written by John around 95 A.D.
This stuff I got from Biblical reading in the late 1977. I was not lazing in reading my bible and i did not trust no preacher or these "eschatology' money making false Prophets of the coming of Christ. I just read my Bible. year after year and let my GOD show me in due time and He did. And when I could not afford the Biblical Books I caught a Bus to the Main Public Library and sat down in the reference Room of Biblical Theology glass enclosed and Pray to God To show me what He wanted Me to Study that day! A many of day, that is what i did, Lord what do you want me to study today, Never had no Sunday school teacher told me what to study, That stuff was "Luke Warm".
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You know them, "trials and tribulations" "if we do not suffer with Christ we will not reign with him.' "consider it not strange concerning the fire"
(1 Peter 4).BSB
12Beloved,do not be surprised at the fiery trial that has come upon you, as though something strangewere happening to you. 13But rejoice that you share in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed at the revelation of His glory.…
( 1 Thess. 3) BSB
3so that none of you would be shaken by these trials. For you know that we are destined for this. 4In deed, when we were with you, we kept warning you that we would suffer persecution; and as you know, it has come to pass.…
Acts 9:16
I will show him how much he must suffer for My name."
Acts 14:22
strengthening the souls of the disciples and encouraging them to continue in the faith. "We must endure many hardships to enter the kingdom of God," they said.
Matthew 24:9,10
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake…
Definition for the word tribulation:
"grievous trouble; severe trial or suffering."
"an instance of this; an affliction, trouble, etc."
Definition for the Term "The Great Tribulation" define by Jesus himself. and not man. "μεγάλη θλῖψις" := "GREAT TRIBULATION"
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for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
(MATT. 24:21).
HAPPY HOLIDAYS
your brother in Christ Jesus our Lord.
P.S. Jesus comes down out of Heaven and receives us in The Sky, but touches not the Earth, and takes us back to where he is, to the place He has prepared for us, "The Ceremonial Dinner" that consists of a lot of things, The Bema Seat, and rewards. for 7 earthly years Then we return to earth with Him, there will be a lot of people saved out of the earth in that 7 years we have been gone, and as we appear back to earth with Him, the Angels of GOD will be rescuing those who are left to be saved from all corners of the earth, This group is not the same group known as the "Church" but of the group "Who Came out of "THE GREAT TRIBULATION" that no man could number. The group who John didn't know and the Angel told him who these people were and where they came from. Christ will separate the "Wheat from the Tares" in this time period. The wheat will be gather into His barn. [which is the kingdom and we will reign over them wirh Christ for 1000 years, and they will suffer no more] "The Sons of GOD" The Saints known as the "Church" by some. will Rule with a Iron ROD with Jesus, for we are "The Joint Heirs"! It is the Father's will to give you the Kingdom.
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The Papacy is the Antichrist. He no longer rules the world and slaughters millions of innocents as he did before the Reformation. If you are familiar with Catholic doctrine, the following are generally excepted in Evangelical Churches today showing he is still seated in the Temple of God, aka the Church in the NT.
Two controlling Antichrist doctrines in the Church today are Free Will (the basis of Catholic works salvation), Also found in all preaching from Billy Graham to hipster street preachers. Dispensationalism (developed by the Jesuits to deceive Protestants into looking for a future Antichrist instead of the Pope.) Dispensationalists added the Pre-Trib Rapture doctrine to this. I have an article about this I plan to post later.
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Rev 7:13-14
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
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That I can agree with, during the time when Jesus is about to return, I believe the True Saints will be few, but there will be some saved at that time. However it will be few as it was in the days of noah Matt 24:37
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
True Faith will be scares Lk 18:8
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
I dont believe in a great revival at the end time.
That I can agree with, during the time when Jesus is about to return, I believe the True Saints will be few, but there will be some saved at that time. However it will be few as it was in the days of noah Matt 24:37
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
True Faith will be scares Lk 18:8
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
I dont believe in a great revival at the end time.
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Jesus asks if he will find faith on earth when he returns. I can't find it now if I compare historic Christianity to now.
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Agreed
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These are the people left behind that will have to be saved by their blood alone. They will be tortured for 10 days by the Antichrist . They must endure the worst of tortured and die for Christ to be saved. This includes being skinned alive, dipped in acid, eyeballs gouged out, raped, etc. and those who endure to the end are those who come out of the Great Tribulation. He will wipe their tears and they will cry no more. Hallelujah! If I am left behind, I will die this way.
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do you have any scripture for these claims??
Are you actually saying they dont need Jesus to be saved?
