Dave M said:

will we be forced to take it??

or will people be deceived into taking it, and take it willingly?


Revelation 13:16
Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,

Revelation 13:17
So that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.

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the church will not be here when this occurs, but if you like to worry about it ok, we are to warn others about what will take place when we have been "Rapture" away, So the believers in that era, will have some understanding of what is taking place and they will know The Bible is real, and God will give some the understanding of what is taking place and they will be waiting for Our return with Christ at the end of the 7 years for Millennium reign when Christ and The Sons of GOD will reign upon the EARTH, a life of Peace and safety, for some, and outside of the Gate there will be others still in rebellion.

Dave -- I think that the mark of the beast -- 666 -- won't be an issue until during the 7 yr tribulation time. The passage that talks about that is Revelation 13:16 - 18 which is what you shared. There's another passage that says that any believer that Does receive it will have the wrath of God poured out on them. And That is what is somewhat confusing. Depending on how long the Church is here Before the rapture takes. Place. But Also -- there Will be people accepting Christ as Savior During those 7 years. And there Will be pressure for Them to take that mark on either there forehead or their right hand.

Look at Rev. 14: 9 -10 -- A very strong passage of warning.

There are Now plenty of pressures of what to accept and what Not to. Whether or not to take the vaccine when it becomes available. And there are theories out about what is actually In the vaccine.

And the election results -- how we act as believers when That happens. Which is off topic.

Greetings Dave,

it pays to go back a few verses (at least) and see the order of events described in Revelation. Likewise, in Daniel we can see similar things as well as what we have seen of history.

In particular please note in Revelation 13:5 and after this also, the words, "it was given..."

Going back to Revelation 13:3-4
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Also, in Revelation 13:7-8
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


and may you have comfort and consolation in this:
Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against Me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered Me unto thee hath the greater sin.
John 19:11

If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Revelation 13:8


Bless you ....><>

It may also be helpful to read (at least) the last few chapters of the Book of Job? perhaps 38 onwards?

Trust in Him at all times, O people; pour out your hearts before Him. God is our refuge. Selah
Psalm 62:8

@BrBear -- the timing of events with 666 and those who might be around to have to decide. Even after the Church is raptured up and out -- there Will still be the 144,000 sealed Jews going out to evangelize the still non-accepting Jews -- and , thus, there Will be those multitudes of people from all over the world that Do accept Christ and Would be subjected to have to either accept or reject the mark of the beast / 666.

That we are Now in the time of the Gentiles and there will Still be a time for God's Chosen people, the Jews, those last 7 years. So why would born again believers still be Here during That future time?

There are two resurrections (one is for the un-saved).
However there is only one rapture, and only the elect will be raptured. If you aren't one of the elect, you won't be raptured.

Matt 24:31; "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
Mark 13:27; "And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.

If you aren't one of the elect, you won't be raptured.
However the elect will still be here for the tribulation. Many believe we are in the birth pangs now.

Matt 24:22; "Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.
Mark 13:20; "Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.

The rapture doesn't happen until after the tribulation.

Matt 24:29; "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Matt 24:30; "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31; "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Those clothed in white robes won't only be Jews, they will be people from every tribe, nations, peoples, and language.

Rev 7:9; After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;

Those clothed in white robes will come out of the tribulation.
Rev 7:13; Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
Rev 7:14; I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Those who have the seal of God on their foreheads will be spared at least some of the plagues of the tribulation.

Rev 9:4; They were told not to hurt the grass of the earth, nor any green thing, nor any tree, but only the men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

Rev 13:1; And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names.
Rev 13:2; And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.
Rev 13:3; I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;
Rev 13:4; they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?"
Rev 13:5; There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.
Rev 13:6; And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7; It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.

There will still be saints on the Earth when the beast is in power. He will make war "with the saints".

Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Now obviously some saints have already passed on. They won't be given an opportunity to refuse the mark of the beast. But the verse above infers that there will be some saints around when the beast is
in power. Some of them will refuse to take the mark. Are they Christians? It says they came to life and reigned with Jesus, it would be hard to imagine non-believers would reign with Jesus.

The question the disciples ask Jesus here are specifically about Jesus's return, and "the end of the age". This entire passage is in reference to that question.

Matt 24:3; As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
Matt 24:4; And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you.
Matt 24:5; "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.
Matt 24:6; "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end.
Matt 24:7; "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes.
Matt 24:8; "But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
Matt 24:9; "Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.

"they will deliver you to tribulation".

Matt 24:10; "At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another.
Matt 24:11; "Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.
Matt 24:12; "Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold.
Matt 24:13; "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
Matt 24:14; "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

It says many will "fall away" and false teachers "will mislead many" during this time.
I suspect many will just give up. They weren't expecting to still be here, they were told they wouldn't go through this.
"If I'm not saved by now, I never will be". They will believe Jesus left them behind, when the truth is, He will not have returned yet.

"the one who endures to the end, he will be saved".

well a few things we know for sure.... is that the mark will be placed on hand or four-head, and with our the mark we will not be able to buy or sell.

the mask we are required now to wear is very close to this, not exactly but close. We can not go into stores unless we have a mask on. They will not sell us anything in a lot of stores unless wearing a mask,...... kind of reminds me of the the frog in boiling water ,,, if you put a frog in a pot of boiling water it will instantly leap out. ... But if you put the frog in pot filled with warm temp water and gradually heat it, the frog will remain in the water until it boils to death.

Jesus give us instructions in revelations
Revelation 13:10
If anyone is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes; if anyone is to be slain with the sword, with the sword must he be slain. Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.


I know this type of thing that Jesus give us instruction on is already happening to people who refuse to wear mask, I saw the other day some women being arrested for not wearing a mask (actually refusing) when entering some sort of town-hall meeting.

The devil is tricky and never lets you know what he doing I am thinking this mark of the beast is going to come in a disguise of being some sort of good thing for everyone, and people will line up to take it. We know he is the great deciever 2 John 1:7

I have had this view since late 1980's, It does not mean I have it right. But I do know that "Nero" was known as "The Beast"! and he was! And "Caliqula" was known to be the worst, If Caliqula was worst Than "Nero" I cannot imagine it, But since "Nero" mother was "Caliqula" sister. They gave evil a new name! It has been years since i study the Roman Empire and The Bio of The Roman Emperors. I found a short clip about 20 minute read is right on point but not full detail. But good insight by the "Historians" non-bias. And there are many things that fits into the time of "John's exile imprisonment to the Island of Patmos, and Roman History of that time period. "and we still have the views of biblical "types and Shadows" that is a shadow to come.

Sue D.,
re: "-- I think that the mark of the beast -- 666 -- won't be an issue until during the 7 yr tribulation time. "

Actually, 666 is the number of the beast and not the mark.

Choices, choices.

The first choice someone would have to make, is where.

Rev 13:16; And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,
Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,

The second choice would be the name or the number.

Rev 13:17; and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

I'm not planning on doing any of these options.

Something to consider, if the Mark is literal, nobody would take it following all the bad press. Revelation is a book of symbols. If you look for the symbol to appear, you will miss what it represents. So many already have the Mark and wore it in history. All of the Reformers pointed to the Papacy as the Antichrist.

“The Antichrist and the Reformation”
During the time of the Reformation and following, Christians in every Anabaptist, English-Baptist, Lutheran or Protestant and Reformed Church, believed the Papacy was the Antichrist. This fact remains embedded in the books and creeds of Christendom to this day. Several examples follow;

From The Westminster Confession which also with some adjustments became the 1st and 2nd London Baptist Confessions.

Chapter XXV

Of the Church
VI. There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ. Nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof. but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself, in the Church, against Christ and all that is called God.

And from the preface to the Canons of Dort;

For this Church being by God’s mighty hand set free from the tyranny of the Romish Antichrist, & from the fearful idolatry of Popery.....

Martin Luther declared, “We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist.” (Aug. 18, 1520). According to The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, by LeRoy Froom. Vol. 2., pg. 121.

I shall briefly show that (Paul’s words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy.” According to Institutes of the Christian Religion, by John Calvin.

John Knox concluded that the Papacy was “the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul speaks.” The Zurich Letters, by John Knox, pg. 199.

“Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons.” (Referring to prophecies in Revelation and Daniel.)

Works by Cranmer, Vol. 1, pp. 6-7.

“the pretended Vicar of Christ on earth, who sits as God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not only above all that is called God, but over the souls and consciences of all his vassals, yea over the Spirit of Christ, over the Holy Spirit, yea, and God himself...speaking against the God of heaven, thinking to change times and laws; but he is the son of perdition (II Thess. 2).

Roger Williams (1603-1683) (First Baptist Pastor in America):” The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, by Froom, Vol. 3, pg. 52.

Cotton Mather (1663-1728) (Congregational Theologian): “The oracles of God foretold the rising of an Antichrist in the Christian Church: and in the Pope of Rome, all the characteristics of that Antichrist are so marvelously answered that if any who read the Scriptures do not see it, there is a marvelous blindness upon them.” According to The Fall of Babylon by Cotton Mather in Froom’s book, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Vol. 3, pg. 113.

John Wesley (1703-1791) (Methodist): Speaking of the Papacy, John Wesley wrote, “He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers... He it is...that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped...claiming the highest power, and highest honour...claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone.” Antichrist and His Ten Kingdoms, by John Wesley, pg. 110.

A Great Cloud of Witnesses: “Wycliffe, Tyndale, Luther, Calvin, Cranmer; in the seventeenth century, Bunyan, the translators of the King James Bible and the men who published the Westminster and Baptist confessions of Faith; Sir Isaac Newton, Wesley, Whitfield, Jonathan Edwards; and more recently Spurgeon, Bishop J.C. Ryle and Dr. Martin Lloyd-Jones; these men among countless others, all saw the office of the Papacy as the antichrist.” According to All Roads Lead to Rome, by Michael de Semlyen. Dorchestor House Publications, p. 205. 1991.

Dave L said:

Something to consider, if the Mark is literal, nobody would take it following all the bad press.

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Possibly, but I know a couple of people with "666" tattoo's. There was a measure 666 involved with Covid tracking.


Most democrats supported this, and joked at the bill name. I don't think people care about publicity. If they already don't believe in God or the Bible
what difference does what it says make? I've heard many people joke about taking the mark. In some movies people joke about it.

You can google beast and 666 jokes if you want, I'm not going to post the links here.

There is no fear of God anymore. There is no fear of hell anymore.

B-A-C said:

Possibly, but I know a couple of people with "666" tattoo's. There was a measure 666 involved with Covid tracking.

All Info - H.R.6666 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): COVID–19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act

All Info for H.R.6666 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): COVID–19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act

www.congress.gov

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-115hr666eh/pdf/BILLS-115hr666eh.pdf

Most democrats supported this, and joked at the bill name. I don't think people care about publicity. If they already don't believe in God or the Bible
what difference does what it says make? I've heard many people joke about taking the mark. In some movies people joke about it.

You can google beast and 666 jokes if you want, I'm not going to post the links here.

There is no fear of God anymore. There is no fear of hell anymore.

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666 is the number of man. 7 denotes God's perfection. You could receive a literal 666 stamped in your right hand or forehead and not have the Mark of the beast. But you could have it by showing allegiance to and obeying sinful laws that contradict God's laws. Which is commonplace today.

a bill for national mandate on wearing mask has now been presented , things will only get much worst, we are witnessing before our very eyes the destruction of america under the disguise of being safe, we are going to be so sick of wearing mask, when our dictators tells us we wont have to wear a mask as longer if we take this vaccine,, people will line up willingly take a vaccine that has no guarantee of success, but does have a guarantee of terrible side effects, it just seems like a natural flow of events for this vaccine to be mandatory and those who refuse will not be able to function is our world.

this country can not survive another shut down, and the democrats know this, you must first destroy what you dont like and rebuild it the way you want to. Our freedoms are being pulled from us at a alarming rate,

A broken and humbled nation is the only thing that will submit to the rulings of the beast. This is what the US is being prepared for.... and although we do need to stand up for the truth.... Psalms 37 tells us to not worry about it, we only hurt ourselves.

Brad Huber said:

A broken and humbled nation is the only thing that will submit to the rulings of the beast.

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Surely a broken and humbled people is more likely to turn to God?

It's the self-confident and arrogant nation that will be drawn to the raw power offered by the beast.

Hekuran said:

Surely a broken and humbled people is more likely to turn to God?

It's the self-confident and arrogant nation that will be drawn to the raw power offered by the beast.

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Satan's power has always been strongest in deception and laying traps for the unwarry. Although satan is powerful, its only in greater superiority in numbers of those people influenced by the whisperings of evil spirits. Those who are courageous and strong in the Lord, not ruled by fear, are the ones who have kept the US strong regardless of the forces arrayed against her. You apply negative tabs on a situation because thats how you see it. Truth will always win out in the end, despite any setbacks the evil one pushes onto the narrative.