B-A-C said:

No argument on that. But virtually all theologians and Bible colleges consider Dan 9-12 a parallel prophecy that will happen again.
There are several events (such as the abomination of desolation) and things (the beast with 10 horns) that are mentioned again in the New Testament.

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I see some of those relationships and Revelations is definitely inundated with OT prophetic references. But remember, Daniel's prophecies are not chronological....you can tell this by the timelines of the Kings and things like the fact that Daniel 7 speaks of things that happen after Daniel 9.

Ah. Well youve lived a bit. At the time of the hostage crisis I was a 7 year old boy who hadn't quite got the hang of tying shoe laces properly.

B-A-C said:

Walk around Seattle, walk around Portland, but to be honest.. since the fires, the riots have quieted down quite a bit.
It's raining here today. The smoke is clearing out, so who knows what will happen tomorrow.

I would say I've seen over a dozen flag burnings in the last year, live in-person. I would say I've seen at least a dozen
more on the news channels. I've seen people standing in street corners and parading around with mega-phones shouting death to America,
death to Trump, and death to the US. I've been in college classes where the professors who are immigrants openly teach insurrection.

When the Americans freed France in WW-II, my dad said people ran up to him and thanked him personally. Some cried, some offered meals,
and some even hung American flags. I have never been to Europe myself (it's on the bucket list) but I know people who have been there recently,
they say Americans are despised, spit upon and cursed. Perhaps not in all parts of Europe, but some places for sure. I've seen American flag
burning in Europe on the news. People say it's safer not to tell anyone you are an American.

Much of my family lives in Texas, and some in southern California, they say the flag burning parties are popular in those places.
If I go back to town this week, I will take a picture of a pile of Bibles (I would guess a couple of hundred ) that were burned.
The US was founded on Christian principles, I was recently told by both an Indian and Filipino co-workers that everyone in those
countries think all Americans are "Christians". While all flag burnings, and all Bible burnings may not be related, it sure seems
they are related in many cases. I can't prove they were done by the same people, but the groups look similar, and they are in the
same parts of town.

Just a few days ago, I saw some young men with PLA type head scarfs, yelling (Insert curse word).. Israel. (insert curse word) the Jews.
(insert curse word) America.

I don't think it takes any special observation powers for anyone to see any of this.
I do have several flag burning news links if you would like to see them.

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I know I am not part of your specific conversation but I would like to chime in on a few things. First off, and most importantly, YES there is now because of the repeated call for unmet justice in so many situations and the recognition that we the people have recognized publicly that there are two sets of laws (one for the wealthy and connected and another for the multitudes....very non-Jesus like) this has inspired a clash between two radical extremes...the radical almost fascistic elements in the conservative camp (who are not the true conservatives history has shown us) and the radical (almost anarchist/socialist) elements on the left (who are not the true liberals history has shown us).

The problem arises because the extreme right lumps all these people and issues together labeling them Communists or Socialists and the extreme leftists lump all conservatives into some group defined as white supremacist and fascistic. Neither are reality for the majority that leaan toward either camp. It is as if neither of these extremes actually knows the meaning of the terms/labels they are throw around. True conservatives and real Republicans DO NOT support anti-Constitutional control and the intentional oppression of any group (though they do protect the system that gives the rich and powerful a different set of laws). Likewise true liberalsdo not believe in and in fact are against a pure socialism/Communist mentality. They ARE NOT seekingto turn America into one of these .

Being an independent politically for decades I have voted all over the place based mostly on who or what agrees with what Jesus would do...what would He support....how would He want us to act toward one another. Though no fan of the DNC they ARE NOT socialist or communist (they have too much self interest in money for their party and control in government and will NEVER give up their right to own property and have businesses up).

Finally...this is America and allegedly we are supposed to be free to have our differences and be able to express them within the bounds of the Laws and even publicly express and debate and even argue then take our opinions to the polls. Somehow I see far too many Christians losing sight of what was/is important to Jesus...first that we are ALL ONE in Christ (slave and free and superior inferior and male vs female has no place in His world view), sharing all things in common (a voluntary act not legislated or coerced) is applying His social recommendation, and finally carefully read Matthew 25:31-46 and decide which side these POLITICIANS are leaning toward and vote Jesus....Amen

Hekuran said:

Ah. Well youve lived a bit. At the time of the hostage crisis I was a 7 year old boy who hadn't quite got the hang of tying shoe laces properly.

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I was there for 3 years and traveled around europe and the middle east while there. Met the first girl that I loved, and got my heart broken by, lol, not a brit gal though, it was a fellow airman lady I worked with. Visted Stratford upon Avon, edingborough castle, went punting down the cam, had to pick up some important frieght in wales (was surprised that it was a totally different language, couldnt make sense of it). I have some welsh blood in me, was always proud of their heritage of being some of the finest bowmen of their time. Do they still have a tradition of excelling at bowmanship?

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The problem arises because the extreme right lumps all these people and issues together labeling them Communists or Socialists and the extreme leftists lump all conservatives into some group defined as white supremacist and fascistic. Neither are reality for the majority that leaan toward either camp. It is as if neither of these extremes actually knows the meaning of the terms/labels they are throw around. True conservatives and real Republicans DO NOT support anti-Constitutional control and the intentional oppression of any group (though they do protect the system that gives the rich and powerful a different set of laws). Likewise true liberalsdo not believe in and in fact are against a pure socialism/Communist mentality. They ARE NOT seekingto turn America into one of these .

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It seems the Democrats are the ones setting different standards for the laws, not the Republicans. Has Hillary been convicted? No. Has Obama been convicted? No.
I know of NO Republicans seeking anti-constitutional control. Name one. Give an example of the control they are seeking.
On the other hand, yes, the MAJORITY of democrats DO support socialism and communism. Now I agree with you, that they don't want it in the truest sense that everyone has equal property, wages and rights.
They want themselves to be excluded. Indeed Bernie Sanders says he wants to be even richer than he already is. The Obamas, The Clintons, Sanders, and Biden are all for Socialized education, medicine, and government
control on both of these things. Practically every single college kid wants these things. I disagree that it is the minority. Besides, even if it was, you are voting for a candidate that you know supports it, so that makes you
an accomplice. ..and YES they are seeking to turn America into this. It definitely is the agenda. It definitely is the plan. Not to mention gay rights, feminism, abortion, gun control and recreational drugs... one party
supports all of these things, the other party is against these things.

Brother Paul said:

Christians losing sight of what was/is important to Jesus...first that we are ALL ONE in Christ (slave and free and superior inferior and male vs female has no place in His world view), sharing all things in common (a voluntary act not legislated or coerced) is applying His social recommendation, and finally carefully read

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First only Christians are ALL ONE in Christ, not the Muslims, Hindus, and Atheists who want to take control of our country, medicine, and education.
Also the Democrats have a much higher rate of referendums than the Republicans. They make it a law, hope no one complains, and then it stands. That sounds like coerced legislation to me.
The Democratic governors in Washington, Oregon, Wisconsin, California, Colorado, Michigan, and Illinois all voted for these things as well as gay rights, abortion and recreational drugs.

What cities have the most riots, racial tension and financial problems? Detroit, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Denver, Chicago... guess which political party all of these Mayors belong to?
Guess which political party all of the governors of the states these cities are in belong to.

B-A-C said:

It seems the Democrats are the ones setting different standards for the laws, not the Republicans. Has Hillary been convicted? No. Has Obama been convicted? No.
I know of NO Republicans seeking anti-constitutional control. Name one. Give an example of the control they are seeking.
On the other hand, yes, the MAJORITY of democrats DO support socialism and communism. Now I agree with you, that they don't want it in the truest sense that everyone has equal property, wages and rights.
They want themselves to be excluded. Indeed Bernie Sanders says he wants to be even richer than he already is. The Obamas, The Clintons, Sanders, and Biden are all for Socialized education, medicine, and government
control on both of these things. Practically every single college kid wants these things. I disagree that it is the minority. Besides, even if it was, you are voting for a candidate that you know supports it, so that makes you
an accomplice. ..and YES they are seeking to turn America into this. It definitely is the agenda. It definitely is the plan. Not to mention gay rights, feminism, abortion, gun control and recreational drugs... one party
supports all of these things, the other party is against these things.




First only Christians are ALL ONE in Christ, not the Muslims, Hindus, and Atheists who want to take control of our country, medicine, and education.
Also the Democrats have a much higher rate of referendums than the Republicans. They make it a law, hope no one complains, and then it stands. That sounds like coerced legislation to me.
The Democratic governors in Washington, Oregon, Wisconsin, California, Colorado, Michigan, and Illinois all voted for these things as well as gay rights, abortion and recreational drugs.

What cities have the most riots, racial tension and financial problems? Detroit, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Denver, Chicago... guess which political party all of these Mayors belong to?
Guess which political party all of the governors of the states these cities are in belong to.

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Do what Jesus would do and act and even vote for the things He would want...our Kingdom is not of this world (He rejected those).

Brad Huber said:

Lakenheath. Do you remember when President Carter sent a shipment of gold to Iran to gain the release of hostages there? It was sent through Lakenheath, and I was there at the time, some people I worked with unloaded it, unboxed it and reboxed it up to be sent onward. Mildenhall I guess was considered to poor a spot due its much heavier transport traffic there, it was all hush hush at the time.

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Saw this Brother, and couldn't help mention that I was at Lakenheath for 2 years. Retired there and came back to the states. Except I wasn't so far back in the Carter Presidency! For me it was 1991-93.