Was the thief in Paradise "that day"?

Butch5 · May 20, 2020

B-A-C said:
The trinity is one entity. One God made up of three persons.

The US government has three branches, the legislative, executive and judicial branches.. but it's still one government.
A tricycle has 3 wheels, but it's still one tricycle.
An egg has a yolk, an eggwhite, and a shell, but it's still just one egg.
A family might have a father, a mother, and a son, but it's still one family.
God has the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, but it's still just one God.

..and the Father said Jesus is God. Do you believe that?

Heb 1:8; But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

I know people believe that, but they can't prove it. It's not even in Scripture. The Scriptues nowhere say that there is one God who consists of three persons.

You didn't answer the question, instead you just asked another question. I've already acknowledge that Jesus is God, Deity. However, as I posted, Jesus who is Deity said that the Father is the one true God, deity. Do you believe this?

B-A-C · May 20, 2020

Butch5 said:
However, as I posted, Jesus who is Deity said that the Father is the one true God, deity. Do you believe this?

I believe there is only one God, and He is the true God. All other gods are false gods.

Exod 20:3; Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exod 20:4; Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exod 20:5; Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Butch5 said:
The Scriptues nowhere say that there is one God who consists of three persons.

Let's start with at least two persons.

John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2; The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3; All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

How do you reconcile being God and being with God?
How do you reconcile all things being made by Him?

Gen 1:1; In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

If God made everything and Jesus made everything, how do you reconcile that?

Gen 1:26; And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Why it say here that God is multiple? Why doesn't it say make man in "my" image? How do you reconcile this?

Dave M · May 20, 2020

Butch5 said:
I didn't say anything about worship

No one said you did,

I asked you,, do you worship Jesus??

its a direct yes or no question that you averted.

Butch5 · May 20, 2020

Dave M said:
No one said you did,

I asked you,, do you worship Jesus??

its a direct yes or no question that you averted.

It's funny though that you don't answer my questions. I worship the Father

Butch5 · May 20, 2020

B-A-C said:
I believe there is only one God, and He is the true God. All other gods are false gods.

Exod 20:3; Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exod 20:4; Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exod 20:5; Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Let's start with at least two persons.

John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2; The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3; All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

How do you reconcile being God and being with God?
How do you reconcile all things being made by Him?

Gen 1:1; In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

If God made everything and Jesus made everything, how do you reconcile that?

Gen 1:26; And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Why it say here that God is multiple? Why doesn't it say make man in "my" image? How do you reconcile this?

Ok, you said there is one God and "HE" is the one true God. Is "He" the Father or the Son?

Simple, It's speaking of two beings, The word was Deity and He was with Deity, the Father. The Word was in the beginning and He was with the Father and they were both Deity.

Simple, God the Father spoke the words and the Son created.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (Gen. 1:3 KJV)

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (Heb. 1:1-2 KJV)

It doesn't says that God is multiple. It says,

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

The word us is a plural pronoun meaning more than one. The word was begotten of the Father. So, whatever the Father is, so is the Son.

B-A-C · May 21, 2020

Butch5 said:
It doesn't says that God is multiple. It says,

Butch5 said:
word us is a plural pronoun meaning more than one.

Most people would say "our" is plural. More than one mean multiple or plural.

Question: is Jesus is "a" god. But the Father is the only "true" God. What kind of kind of god does that make Jesus? A false god? (If something isn't true, it seems it must be false).

Butch5 · May 23, 2020

B-A-C said:
Most people would say "our" is plural. More than one mean multiple or plural.

Question: is Jesus is "a" god. But the Father is the only "true" God. What kind of kind of god does that make Jesus? A false god? (If something isn't true, it seems it must be false).

Yes, the word "our" is plural. It denotes more than one. So when God said, 'let us man man in out image' He's speaking to someone else. There is more than one there.

Jesus is using the word "true" as a superlative. A superlative means something of the highest quality or degree. Jesus came out of God, so He was of the same essence as God, the Father. He was equal in essence, but not authority.

Question: You said that there was only one God and that He was the only true God. Was "He" the Father or the Son.

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