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I find it so hard to believe that a "Child of God" will promote the reading of a book more strongly than reading "The Book". That is strange to me.

PloughBoy said:
I call myself being kind, concerning "Mr. Nee", now I will be solid: "Watchman Nee" words are Not "The Word of GOD"! Nee's words will not, last forever. "Nee's words does not produce "eternal life"! Nee's word's does not improve "The Bible"! Or can explain "The Word or reveal who GOD is, only the unadulterated "WORD" of GOD can do that in your own language. Our GOD is a jealous GOD! And the only mediator between us and GOD is "The WORD" [Jesus Christ our Lord"]
I call myself being kind, concerning "Mr. Nee", now I will be solid: "Watchman Nee" words are Not "The Word of GOD"! Nee's words will not, last forever. "Nee's words does not produce "eternal life"! Nee's word's does not improve "The Bible"! Or can explain "The Word or reveal who GOD is, only the unadulterated "WORD" of GOD can do that in your own language. Our GOD is a jealous GOD! And the only mediator between us and GOD is "The WORD" [Jesus Christ our Lord"]

My brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus, "the veil in the Temple was torn apart that you have access to "Our Father" through His "WORD"! His SON, a name HE have given him above all names, above the names of "Aurelius Augustus", John Calvin, Pope John-Paul, above the Martin Luthers of Germany, Above the T.D Jakes, above the A.W. Tozers, and all of the Martin Lloyd-Jones of England. Are their names exalted by GOD the Father?
(Romans 3:4)
"May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, "THAT YOU MAY BE JUSTIFIED IN YOUR WORDS, AND PREVAIL WHEN YOU ARE JUDGED."
So I proclaim this day above all "Names"! " the names of your churches, the names of your organizations, the names of your Pastors, the names of your "universities", the name of your denomonations both pro and non,, and truly above all of the "Watchman Nee's" of China!

(1 Corinthians 2: 1-5).
1And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. 2For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. 3I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, 4and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.

Shalom, my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus our Lord.:pensive:
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Hi Ploughboy.
I agree, watchman Nee's writings are not the words of God, but come to that, neither are yours. why are you writing here, if as you say, the only relevant words are the words of scripture? Bless you
 
PloughBoy said:
I call myself being kind, concerning "Mr. Nee", now I will be solid: "Watchman Nee" words are Not "The Word of GOD"! Nee's words will not, last forever. "Nee's words does not produce "eternal life"! Nee's word's does not improve "The Bible"! Or can explain "The Word or reveal who GOD is, only the unadulterated "WORD" of GOD can do that in your own language. Our GOD is a jealous GOD! And the only mediator between us and GOD is "The WORD" [Jesus Christ our Lord"]

My brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus, "the veil in the Temple was torn apart that you have access to "Our Father" through His "WORD"! His SON, a name HE have given him above all names, above the names of "Aurelius Augustus", John Calvin, Pope John-Paul, above the Martin Luthers of Germany, Above the T.D Jakes, above the A.W. Tozers, and all of the Martin Lloyd-Jones of England. Are their names exalted by GOD the Father?
(Romans 3:4)
"May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, "THAT YOU MAY BE JUSTIFIED IN YOUR WORDS, AND PREVAIL WHEN YOU ARE JUDGED."
So I proclaim this day above all "Names"! " the names of your churches, the names of your organizations, the names of your Pastors, the names of your "universities", the name of your denomonations both pro and non,, and truly above all of the "Watchman Nee's" of China!

(1 Corinthians 2: 1-5).
1And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. 2For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. 3I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, 4and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.

Shalom, my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus our Lord.:pensive:
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Are these the words of a spiritual bully who was put back in their rightful place?
Trevor said:
Actually, Truth reaper, I was going to answer your question, then it occurred to me that you are a spiritual bully. I haven't read a kind word from you in any of your posts, they are bitter, confrontational, lacking in compassion and it seems you believe that you are some kind of super saint. In fact I believe that if you had to face the persecution that the house churches in China faced you'd likely bottle out. I pray that God softens your heart and gives you the grace to be kind. Bless you.
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The wrath of God is coming.....

Thank God.

Lord please clear out some of these devils who have over run your earth.
 
TheTruthReaper said:
Why do you need The Word was revealed through the prophets, through Jesus, through the Apostles, so that we would know the prophesies, that we would know what Jesus did and what he taught, so that we would understand we don't have to live in sin and die but could receive salvation through Jesus and have eternal life?

Don't you have the same Holy Ghost they had in them in you?
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Yes I do have the Holy Ghost

But God gave His Word, He said write it down, write it down... OT, NT and Revelation.

Why would He say write it down if He didn't want us to read it. The Word is our Daily Bread.

Revelation 1:10-11 (NKJV)
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,
saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

Revelation 14:13 (NKJV)
Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Write: 'Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.' " "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them."

Revelation 19:9 (NKJV)
9 Then he said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!' " And he said to me, "These are the true sayings of God."

Revelation 21:5 (NKJV)
5 Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."

There are also things that are not to be written, making those which were to be written very important

Revelation 10:4 (NKJV)
4 Now when the seven thunders uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them."

These are just a small few scriptures, the message was 'write these things down', they become a witness for what God has said will happen so that when they come to pass we know God planned them.

Blessings
 
Trevor said:
Hi Paul, don't we write on this debating forum, sharing our understandings? And yet some of the very people who pontificate here, decry any writings other than scripture. I find that kind of strange. bless you mate.
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That is right Trevor, I mean that is write brother, I will get it right in minute.

;)
 
Brother-Paul said:
Yes I do have the Holy Ghost

But God gave His Word, He said write it down, write it down... OT, NT and Revelation.

Why would He say write it down if He didn't want us to read it. The Word is our Daily Bread.

Revelation 1:10-11 (NKJV)
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,
saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

Revelation 14:13 (NKJV)
Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Write: 'Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.' " "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them."

Revelation 19:9 (NKJV)
9 Then he said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!' " And he said to me, "These are the true sayings of God."

Revelation 21:5 (NKJV)
5 Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."

There are also things that are not to be written, making those which were to be written very important

Revelation 10:4 (NKJV)
4 Now when the seven thunders uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them."

These are just a small few scriptures, the message was 'write these things down', they become a witness for what God has said will happen so that when they come to pass we know God planned them.

Blessings
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So if I tell you that God told me to write this down and I showed it to you...would you believe it?
 
I am thinking Jesus was in this same position at one time...

Mark 11:31
And they reasoned with themselves,
saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say,
Why then did ye not believe him?

Funny how the very exact same thing that took place with Jesus...is taking place right now today.
 
PloughBoy said:
I call myself being kind, concerning "Mr. Nee", now I will be solid: "Watchman Nee" words are Not "The Word of GOD"! Nee's words will not, last forever. "Nee's words does not produce "eternal life"! Nee's word's does not improve "The Bible"! Or can explain "The Word or reveal who GOD is, only the unadulterated "WORD" of GOD can do that in your own language. Our GOD is a jealous GOD! And the only mediator between us and GOD is "The WORD" [Jesus Christ our Lord"]

My brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus, "the veil in the Temple was torn apart that you have access to "Our Father" through His "WORD"! His SON, a name HE have given him above all names, above the names of "Aurelius Augustus", John Calvin, Pope John-Paul, above the Martin Luthers of Germany, Above the T.D Jakes, above the A.W. Tozers, and all of the Martin Lloyd-Jones of England. Are their names exalted by GOD the Father?
(Romans 3:4)
"May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, "THAT YOU MAY BE JUSTIFIED IN YOUR WORDS, AND PREVAIL WHEN YOU ARE JUDGED."
So I proclaim this day above all "Names"! " the names of your churches, the names of your organizations, the names of your Pastors, the names of your "universities", the name of your denomonations both pro and non,, and truly above all of the "Watchman Nee's" of China!

(1 Corinthians 2: 1-5).
1And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of , proclaiming to you the testimony of God. 2For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. 3I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, 4and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.

Shalom, my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus our Lord
TheTruthReaper said:
Are these the words of a spiritual bully who was put back in their rightful place?
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You may well be right.
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TheTruthReaper said:
So if I tell you that God told me to write this down and I showed it to you...would you believe it?
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The Bible is God's Word, from Genesis to Revelation, all that should be in The Word is in The Word.

Not one jot or tittle is to be changed, neither added to or taken away.

So your answer is in the above brother.

Blessings
 
Long ago in Oklahoma City 2 angels of God appeared to me.
They were right to the point and did not speak kind and
Brother-Paul said:
The Bible is God's Word, from Genesis to Revelation, all that should be in The Word is in The Word.

Not one jot or tittle is to be changed, neither added to or taken away.

So your answer is in the above brother.

Blessings
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Did God ever tell you the bible was His word from Genesis to Revelation, all that should be in The Word is in The Word?

The answer is no.
So who told you that the bible was His word from Genesis to Revelation, all that should be in The Word is in The Word?
 
The written WORD testiflys: To what Brother-Paul has said, I think, but I am just a man.

(Hebrews 1).
1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. 3And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they. 5For to which of the angels did He ever say,
“THOU ART MY SON,

TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN THEE”?And again,

“I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM

AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME”?
6And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says,
“AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.”
M7And of the angels He says,

“WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS,

AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE.”
8But of the Son He says,
“THY THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,

AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
9“THOU HAST LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS;

THEREFORE GOD, THY GOD, HATH ANOINTED THEE

WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE THY COMPANIONS.”

10And,

“THOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING DIDST LAY THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH,

AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF THY HANDS;

11THEY WILL PERISH, BUT THOU REMAINEST;

AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD AS A GARMENT,
12AND AS A MANTLE THOU WILT ROLL THEM UP;

AS A GARMENT THEY WILL ALSO BE CHANGED.

BUT THOU ART THE SAME,

AND THY YEARS WILL NOT COME TO AN END.”
13But to which of the angels has He ever said,

“SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,

UNTIL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES

A FOOTSTOOL FOR THY FEET”?

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?
 
PloughBoy said:
The written WORD testiflys: To what Brother-Paul has said, I think, but I am just a man.

(Hebrews 1).
1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. 3And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they. 5For to which of the angels did He ever say,
“THOU ART MY SON,

TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN THEE”?And again,

“I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM

AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME”?
6And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says,
“AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.”
M7And of the angels He says,

“WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS,

AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE.”
8But of the Son He says,
“THY THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,

AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
9“THOU HAST LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS;

THEREFORE GOD, THY GOD, HATH ANOINTED THEE

WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE THY COMPANIONS.”

10And,

“THOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING DIDST LAY THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH,

AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF THY HANDS;

11THEY WILL PERISH, BUT THOU REMAINEST;

AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD AS A GARMENT,
12AND AS A MANTLE THOU WILT ROLL THEM UP;

AS A GARMENT THEY WILL ALSO BE CHANGED.

BUT THOU ART THE SAME,

AND THY YEARS WILL NOT COME TO AN END.”
13But to which of the angels has He ever said,

“SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,

UNTIL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES

A FOOTSTOOL FOR THY FEET”?

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?
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God spoke to me this morning. I am going to write down what He said to me.
Is that the written WORD?
 
Trevor said:
Hi Ploughboy.
I agree, watchman Nee's writings are not the words of God, but come to that, neither are yours. why are you writing here, if as you say, the only relevant words are the words of scripture? Bless you
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Well there is a great difference between "words of scripture" and "Holy Scripture" true students of "The WORD of GOD" and the "canon of Scripture" should know this. But down through the years, there cease to be a difference and knowledge between the "Holy" and "non", for understanding biblical terms or terminology. I fully understand it is not my brother and sisters fault but those who have lead them.

(Isaiah 3).
12. O My people! Their oppressors are children,
And women rule over them.
O My people! Those who guide you lead you astray,
And confuse the direction of your paths. :pensive:
 
PloughBoy said:
If you think I going to address that question, I will not, but "Proverbs" will.
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I have a proverb for you.
Why do people exalt the proverbs of a man
who lost 10 tribes of his kingdom and the throne of his father
by building alters for the gods of his wives and worshiping and burning
burnt offerings to them...when God was watching his every move?

See if you can answer this one.
 
TheTruthReaper said:
I have a proverb for you.
Why do people exalt the proverbs of a man
who lost 10 tribes of his kingdom and the throne of his father
by building alters for the gods of his wives and worshiping and burning
burnt offerings to them...when God was watching his every move?

See if you can answer this one.
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Like Solomon is saying, [ the same thing has happen to the fool has happen to me] my paraphrase. God in times past have had His servants to go "through" things and those events recorded in His Word, that we may avoid many traps that are hurtful and deadly and some traps leaves life long scars and suffering that can be avoidable. In the end, you will most likely write too! "Fear GOD and keep HIS Commenments"!

(Ecclesiastes 2)
The Wise and the Foolish

12And I turned myself to behold wisdom, and madness, and folly: for what can the man do that cometh after the king? even that which hath been already done. 13Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness. 14The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all. 15Then said I in my heart, As it happeneth to the fool, so it happeneth even to me; and why was I then more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this also is vanity. 16For there is no remembrance of the wise more than of the fool for ever; seeing that which now is in the days to come shall all be forgotten. And how dieth the wise man? as the fool. 17Therefore I hated life; because the work that is wrought under the sun is grievous unto me: for all is vanity and vexation of spirit.

P.S. how many of God's major servants had wives who worshiped foreign gods, through out "Holy Scripture"?
 
PloughBoy said:
Like Solomon is saying, [ the same thing has happen to the fool has happen to me] my paraphrase. God in times past have had His servants to go "through" things and those events recorded in His Word, that we may avoid many traps that are hurtful and deadly and some traps leaves life long scars and suffering that can be avoidable. In the end, you will most likely write too! "Fear GOD and keep HIS Commenments"!

(Ecclesiastes 2)
The Wise and the Foolish

12And I turned myself to behold wisdom, and madness, and folly: for what can the man do that cometh after the king? even that which hath been already done. 13Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness. 14The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all. 15Then said I in my heart, As it happeneth to the fool, so it happeneth even to me; and why was I then more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this also is vanity. 16For there is no remembrance of the wise more than of the fool for ever; seeing that which now is in the days to come shall all be forgotten. And how dieth the wise man? as the fool. 17Therefore I hated life; because the work that is wrought under the sun is grievous unto me: for all is vanity and vexation of spirit.

P.S. how many of God's major servants had wives who worshiped foreign gods, through out "Holy Scripture"?
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How low will you go before you say "Even this is to low for me?"
 
TheTruthReaper said:
Long ago in Oklahoma City 2 angels of God appeared to me.
They were right to the point and did not speak kind and

Did God ever tell you the bible was His word from Genesis to Revelation, all that should be in The Word is in The Word?

The answer is no.
So who told you that the bible was His word from Genesis to Revelation, all that should be in The Word is in The Word?
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You are a deceived man. I highly doubt those two “angels” were truly angels of God.
 
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