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"Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God"

PloughBoy

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Are these type of messages out dated, Such as the one posted above, delivered by “Jonathan Edwards” that had people storming out into the streets “screaming and crying” in terror in the streets! “What must I do to be saved from the wrath of God that is to come”! In which quicken “the Great Awakening” in which countless souls became truly saved, with great criticism from the church leaderships and many others because it used fear to chase people into the arms of God. “Now what say you”
 
Are these type of messages out dated, Such as the one posted above, delivered by “Jonathan Edwards” that had people storming out into the streets “screaming and crying” in terror in the streets! “What must I do to be saved from the wrath of God that is to come”! In which quicken “the Great Awakening” in which countless souls became truly saved, with great criticism from the church leaderships and many others because it used fear to chase people into the arms of God. “Now what say you”
Since the Bible doesn't teach eternal torment I don't believe on should use it try to scare people into getting saved. If that's the basis for their conversion, it's a weak foundation.
 
Since the Bible doesn't teach eternal torment I don't believe on should use it try to scare people into getting saved. If that's the basis for their conversion, it's a weak foundation.

It does. Also it's the foundation Jesus used.

Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Jesus is the one talking here...
Luke 16:23; "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:28; for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'


Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

As far as Jesus using hell for people to "convert"... Jesus is the one speaking in all verses below.

Matt 5:22; "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Matt 5:29; "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt 5:30; "If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.
Matt 10:28; "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt 18:9; "If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.
Matt 23:33; "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?
Mark 9:43; "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,
Mark 9:45; "If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame, than, having your two feet, to be cast into hell,
Mark 9:47; "If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell,
Luke 12:5; "But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!
Matt 8:12; but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Matt 13:42; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 13:50; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 22:13; "Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
Matt 24:51; and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 25:30; "Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Luke 13:28; "In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.

Luke 12:46; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

Heb 10:31; It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

The fire and brimstone message was good enough for Jesus.
 
Most “Christians “ do not understand the “Holiness” of God”! And it is understandable that they Don’t. But “that day” it will be reveal unto them who the tares really are and who we are.
 
If no one is going to hell. Then Jesus didn't "save" us from anything. His death was just a wasted cause.
 
If you read the New Testament carefully, you'll see that the apostles emphasis is on Jesus conquering death; they don't major on Jesus rescuing us from hell. Jesus saves us from the power of death.
 
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Lots of Christians have "died" since Jeus's time. Everyone dies.

Heb 9:27; And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,

The death Jesus saves us from is the "second death" - which IS the lake of fire.
 
It does. Also it's the foundation Jesus used.

Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Jesus is the one talking here...
Luke 16:23; "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:28; for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'


Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

As far as Jesus using hell for people to "convert"... Jesus is the one speaking in all verses below.

Matt 5:22; "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Matt 5:29; "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt 5:30; "If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.
Matt 10:28; "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt 18:9; "If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.
Matt 23:33; "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?
Mark 9:43; "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,
Mark 9:45; "If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame, than, having your two feet, to be cast into hell,
Mark 9:47; "If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell,
Luke 12:5; "But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!
Matt 8:12; but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Matt 13:42; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 13:50; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 22:13; "Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
Matt 24:51; and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 25:30; "Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Luke 13:28; "In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.

Luke 12:46; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

Heb 10:31; It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

The fire and brimstone message was good enough for Jesus.

OK, let's break this down. Firstly, note what I said. I said the Bible doesn't teach "eternal" torment. I didn't say it doesn't teach torment. Having noted that, I notice that only two of the twenty three passages you posted say, forever and ever. The other 21 don't reference time. The last eight don't even mention hell. So, let's look at the two passages that say forever and ever.

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Rev. 14:11 KJV)

If this is eternal torment in hell, then what are the saints of God doing there? Look at the next verse.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Rev. 14:12 KJV)

Here means, at this place. If this is hell why are the saints there? They're there because this is not hell. Those who are being spoken of are alive, they worship the beast.

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: (Rev. 14:9-10 KJV)


This is taking place on earth. Dead people in hell won't be taking the mark of the beast.

This is why context is so, so, important. Pastors and theologians teach Christians to take passages out of context to support doctrines, That's not good.

The other passage you posted was Rev. 20:10.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Rev. 20:10 KJV)

Looking at this passage. We see three individuals cast here, the Devil, the Beast, and the False Prophet. No one else is mentioned as being thrown in here. So, if this passage was talking about eternal torment it only says three individuals would be tormented eternally. However, we know that that's not the case because the Greek word that is translated forever is "aionious" and it doesn't mean forever. The translators have wrongly translated it as forever, instead of an age. This can be easily seen from Jesus' own words.

47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, (Matt. 13:47-49 KJV)

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things b Dide? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? (Matt. 24:3 KJV)

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matt. 28:20 KJV)


And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Matt. 12:32 KJV)

In all of these passages the word translated "world" is the same Greek word. aion, that the translators translated as "forever and ever" in the verses you posted. So, there's a problem here. In these passage Jesus speaks of the end of the age, or world as the KJV puts it. However, the translators say this word means forever. How can that be? By definition, forever doesn't end. Is Jesus speaking of the end of the forever? The end of the forever? That's a logical contradiction. Something that ends can't be forever. In the last passage, Mat.12:32 Jesus speaks of the end of the age and the one to come. Is He saying the end of the forever and the forever to come? What, now there are two forevers? How can that be? If forever doesn't end then how can there be two of them?

However, if we translate it as an age and not forever all of those problems go away. So, we're left with a decision, do we understand the term the way Jesus did, the way it fits the Scriptures with no problems, or do we understand it the way the translators have said, as forever and ever, and live with all of the above, problems, inconsistencies, and contradictions?

Also, if you want to further discuss this can you please define hell? There three places that the KJV has translated hell, Hades, Gehenna, and Tartarus, and none of them is a place in the earth where people are tormented eternally. That idea comes from Greek philosophy, not the Bible. It would be best, to avoid confusion, if we used that actual place names, Hades, Gehenna, or Tartarus.
 
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Lots of Christians have "died" since Jeus's time. Everyone dies.

Heb 9:27; And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,

The death Jesus saves us from is the "second death" - which IS the lake of fire.
That's correct. Notice what you posted, death, not eternal burning.
 
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Rev. 14:11 KJV)

If this is eternal torment in hell, then what are the saints of God doing there? Look at the next verse.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Rev. 14:12 KJV)

Here means, at this place. If this is hell why are the saints there? They're there because this is not hell. Those who are being spoken of are alive, they worship the beast.

A lot of wrong assumptions here. First who says this happens in hell?

Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

This happens in the presence of Jesus and the angels.

Also hell itself is eventually thrown into the lake of fire. There won't be a hell for this to take place in.

Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

Virtually your entire post is made off bad assumptions.
 
Like I always has said the English word “hell” is a bad translation for the “transliteration word “Sheol”. The word “hell” delivers the wrong thought patterns for the correct word “Sheol”. Like when “Lazarus” Mary and Martha’ brother, when he died, he went to the “Sheol”. The [grave]. He did not go to Heaven.
 
Like I always has said the English word “hell” is a bad translation for the “transliteration word “Sheol”. The word “hell” delivers the wrong thought patterns for the correct word “Sheol”. Like when “Lazarus” Mary and Martha’ brother, when he died, he went to the “Sheol”. The [grave]. He did not go to Heaven.

Sheol is not hell. Hell is in a part of Sheol, so was paradise.

Luke 16:22; "Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried.
Luke 16:23; "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:24; "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'
Luke 16:25; "But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.
Luke 16:26; 'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.'
 
The word hell does not exists in the “Original text” no matter how many Manuscripts you may find. It does not exists! If so which one?
 
Matt 11:23; "And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will descend to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day.
Matt 16:18; "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
Luke 10:15; "And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will be brought down to Hades!
Luke 16:23; "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Acts 2:27; BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY.
Acts 2:31; he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that HE WAS NEITHER ABANDONED TO HADES, NOR DID His flesh SUFFER DECAY.
Rev 1:18; and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
Rev 6:8; I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.
Rev 20:13; And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

The word used in all of these verses is...

G86
ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.
Total KJV occurrences: 11

Matt 5:22; "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Matt 5:29; "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt 5:30; "If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.
Matt 10:28; "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt 18:9; "If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.
Matt 23:15; "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
Matt 23:33; "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?
Mark 9:43; "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,
Mark 9:45; "If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame, than, having your two feet, to be cast into hell,
Mark 9:47; "If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell,
Luke 12:5; "But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!
Jas 3:6; And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life, and is set on fire by hell.
2 Pet 2:4; For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;

The word used in all of these verses is...

G1067
γέεννα
geenna
gheh'-en-nah
Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.
Total KJV occurrences: 12
 
A lot of wrong assumptions here. First who says this happens in hell?

Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

This happens in the presence of Jesus and the angels.

Also hell itself is eventually thrown into the lake of fire. There won't be a hell for this to take place in.

Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

Virtually your entire post is made off bad assumptions.
Then whu did yoy post it?

My post is perfectly sound and logical. You didn't address the contradictions. Did Jesus speak of the end of the forever?

The word hell isn't in the orginal languages. So, Jesus didn't speak of it. He spoke of Hades and Gehenna. These are two different and actual places. Gehenna is where Jesus tells us the wicked will be cast. John tells us they will be cast into the Lake of Fire. In order to avoid a contradiction Gehenna and the Lake of Fire must be the same place. We are told that death and Hades, the grave, will be cast into the Lake of Fire.
 
Matt 11:23; "And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will descend to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day.
Matt 16:18; "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
Luke 10:15; "And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will be brought down to Hades!
Luke 16:23; "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Acts 2:27; BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY.
Acts 2:31; he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that HE WAS NEITHER ABANDONED TO HADES, NOR DID His flesh SUFFER DECAY.
Rev 1:18; and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
Rev 6:8; I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.
Rev 20:13; And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

The word used in all of these verses is...

G86
ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.
Total KJV occurrences: 11

Matt 5:22; "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Matt 5:29; "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt 5:30; "If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.
Matt 10:28; "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt 18:9; "If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.
Matt 23:15; "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
Matt 23:33; "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?
Mark 9:43; "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,
Mark 9:45; "If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame, than, having your two feet, to be cast into hell,
Mark 9:47; "If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell,
Luke 12:5; "But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!
Jas 3:6; And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life, and is set on fire by hell.
2 Pet 2:4; For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;

The word used in all of these verses is...

G1067
γέεννα
geenna
gheh'-en-nah
Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.
Total KJV occurrences: 12

I'm aware of what the words are and what they mean. Nothing in the definition of either says it's a place of eternal torment. Hades is the grave and Gehenna is the Lake of fire. Both words are translated as hell. Is hell going to be cast into hell?
 
At least if we all could speak Koine Greek, we all would speak as one. Then there would be no such a word “hell” in our vocabulary. Then we all could speak in koine Greek syntax, then our understanding would be in context with no verses. Since most Christians do not understand the concept of transliterated Greek words.
 
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