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One of the buzz word amongst liberals and feminists this last year is "misogyny". The definition of it is sometimes hard to pin down.
But basically it is the opposition to verses in the Bible like...
1 Tim 5:14 Therefore, I want younger widows to get married, bear children, keep house, and give the enemy no occasion for reproach;
Not so much the part about "widows", but rather the women should stay at home, wear aprons, be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen,
and clean house.
1 Tim 2:9; Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments,
1 Tim 2:10; but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.
1 Tim 2:11; A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.
1 Tim 2:12; But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
1 Tim 2:13; For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.
1 Tim 2:14; And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
1 Tim 2:15; But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.
After reading this, a lady once said to me "no wonder Paul wasn't ever married". :smile:
But according to this, women shouldn't be bossy (or even Bosses) . They should be submissive. They should wear modest clothing.
(a trait all but forgotten in young women today). It says women "will be preserved through the bearing of children" ...if...
Again, it seems to be saying here, women need to stay home and raise children.
Now I know this flies in the face of women's liberation, and women want to be "free". Free from the bonds of marriage and motherhood.
Another way to look at this, is they want to be selfish, and do what they want to do.
Now marriage and children aren't for everyone. (I think some women would make terrible mothers) but the first commandment given to
men and women in the Bible was...
Gen 1:27; God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Gen 1:28; God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
Now there is a fine line between being a mother and making a lifelong career out of it.
Some women want children, they just "don't want to raise them". In other words, they want day-cares, babysitters, grandma, schools, and
whoever else will do it to raise them. Children are expensive, messy and disobedient.. (welcome to God's world).
The main problem with this, is that children are being raised without any Godly discipline, values, morals, or Biblical teaching. In fact in most
cases, they are being taught just the opposite.
Eph 5:22; Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
Eph 5:23; For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
Eph 5:24; But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.
Again, it seems God's plan is for the man to be the head of the household. Not to be a slave-master and bully, but to take part in the
decisions of the household and the way the children are raised. (It isn't ONLY a woman's duty).
There is also a lot in this passage about how husband's should love their wives, but that is another subject, I don't want to get distracted here.
Col 3:18; Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
Col 3:20; Children, be obedient to your parents in all things, for this is well-pleasing to the Lord.
Col 3:21; Fathers, do not exasperate your children, so that they will not lose heart.
Now there are some passages in the Bible about men being "son's of Abraham, but there is also a passage about women being "daughters of Sarah"
... if they...
1 Pet 3:1; In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives,
1 Pet 3:2; as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior.
1 Pet 3:3; Your adornment must not be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses;
1 Pet 3:4; but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God.
1 Pet 3:5; For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands;
1 Pet 3:6; just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.
What a powerful passage here. Verse 1 says.. even if your husband is "disobedient to the word". Two wrongs don't make a right.
He isn't obeying God, so I'm not going to either. (How many marriages are in this state?)
Verse 6 here says Sarah, called Abraham "lord". I don't think my wife has ever done that, but all the rest of this she is OK with.
I am a very blessed man. My wife has actually brought many of these Bible passages to me on her own. She doesn't want to be
"large and in charge". She actually wants the husband to make a lot of the decisions. Our children are all grown and gone and married now.
We have 8 grand-children now.
By living Godly lives, we can "convert" our spouses. Not just husbands for wives, but also wives for husbands.
1 Cor 7:14; For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.
1 Cor 7:15; Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.
1 Cor 7:16; For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?
1 Tim 5:4; but if any widow has children or grandchildren, they must first learn to practice piety in regard to their own family and to make some return to their parents; for this is acceptable in the sight of God.
1 Tim 5:10; having a reputation for good works; and if she has brought up children, if she has shown hospitality to strangers, if she has washed the saints' feet, if she has assisted those in distress, and if she has devoted herself to every good work.
Child raising is to honored in the church. It is one of the things women can be judged by. (How your children turn out).
Tit 2:3; Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good,
Tit 2:4; so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children,
Tit 2:5; to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored.
Now I know this passage will make some women (perhaps even some men) angry, and they might think (that's easy for you to say, you're a man).
But these aren't my words. They're Gods words in the Bible. ...besides men have plenty of verses about how they should live, and love their wives
also (perhaps another thread)..
But in today's world where women are told to be independent, pursue careers, and don't submit to anyone... we need to look to the scripture
and see what God says about these things.
Prov 31:10; An excellent wife, who can find? For her worth is far above jewels.
Prov 31:11; The heart of her husband trusts in her, And he will have no lack of gain.
Prov 31:12; She does him good and not evil All the days of her life.
Prov 31:27; She looks well to the ways of her household, And does not eat the bread of idleness.
Prov 31:28; Her children rise up and bless her; Her husband also, and he praises her, saying:
Prov 31:29; "Many daughters have done nobly, But you excel them all."
But basically it is the opposition to verses in the Bible like...
1 Tim 5:14 Therefore, I want younger widows to get married, bear children, keep house, and give the enemy no occasion for reproach;
Not so much the part about "widows", but rather the women should stay at home, wear aprons, be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen,
and clean house.
1 Tim 2:9; Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments,
1 Tim 2:10; but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.
1 Tim 2:11; A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.
1 Tim 2:12; But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
1 Tim 2:13; For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.
1 Tim 2:14; And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
1 Tim 2:15; But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.
After reading this, a lady once said to me "no wonder Paul wasn't ever married". :smile:
But according to this, women shouldn't be bossy (or even Bosses) . They should be submissive. They should wear modest clothing.
(a trait all but forgotten in young women today). It says women "will be preserved through the bearing of children" ...if...
Again, it seems to be saying here, women need to stay home and raise children.
Now I know this flies in the face of women's liberation, and women want to be "free". Free from the bonds of marriage and motherhood.
Another way to look at this, is they want to be selfish, and do what they want to do.
Now marriage and children aren't for everyone. (I think some women would make terrible mothers) but the first commandment given to
men and women in the Bible was...
Gen 1:27; God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Gen 1:28; God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
Now there is a fine line between being a mother and making a lifelong career out of it.
Some women want children, they just "don't want to raise them". In other words, they want day-cares, babysitters, grandma, schools, and
whoever else will do it to raise them. Children are expensive, messy and disobedient.. (welcome to God's world).
The main problem with this, is that children are being raised without any Godly discipline, values, morals, or Biblical teaching. In fact in most
cases, they are being taught just the opposite.
Eph 5:22; Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
Eph 5:23; For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
Eph 5:24; But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.
Again, it seems God's plan is for the man to be the head of the household. Not to be a slave-master and bully, but to take part in the
decisions of the household and the way the children are raised. (It isn't ONLY a woman's duty).
There is also a lot in this passage about how husband's should love their wives, but that is another subject, I don't want to get distracted here.
Col 3:18; Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
Col 3:20; Children, be obedient to your parents in all things, for this is well-pleasing to the Lord.
Col 3:21; Fathers, do not exasperate your children, so that they will not lose heart.
Now there are some passages in the Bible about men being "son's of Abraham, but there is also a passage about women being "daughters of Sarah"
... if they...
1 Pet 3:1; In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives,
1 Pet 3:2; as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior.
1 Pet 3:3; Your adornment must not be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses;
1 Pet 3:4; but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God.
1 Pet 3:5; For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands;
1 Pet 3:6; just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.
What a powerful passage here. Verse 1 says.. even if your husband is "disobedient to the word". Two wrongs don't make a right.
He isn't obeying God, so I'm not going to either. (How many marriages are in this state?)
Verse 6 here says Sarah, called Abraham "lord". I don't think my wife has ever done that, but all the rest of this she is OK with.
I am a very blessed man. My wife has actually brought many of these Bible passages to me on her own. She doesn't want to be
"large and in charge". She actually wants the husband to make a lot of the decisions. Our children are all grown and gone and married now.
We have 8 grand-children now.
By living Godly lives, we can "convert" our spouses. Not just husbands for wives, but also wives for husbands.
1 Cor 7:14; For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.
1 Cor 7:15; Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.
1 Cor 7:16; For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?
1 Tim 5:4; but if any widow has children or grandchildren, they must first learn to practice piety in regard to their own family and to make some return to their parents; for this is acceptable in the sight of God.
1 Tim 5:10; having a reputation for good works; and if she has brought up children, if she has shown hospitality to strangers, if she has washed the saints' feet, if she has assisted those in distress, and if she has devoted herself to every good work.
Child raising is to honored in the church. It is one of the things women can be judged by. (How your children turn out).
Tit 2:3; Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good,
Tit 2:4; so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children,
Tit 2:5; to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored.
Now I know this passage will make some women (perhaps even some men) angry, and they might think (that's easy for you to say, you're a man).
But these aren't my words. They're Gods words in the Bible. ...besides men have plenty of verses about how they should live, and love their wives
also (perhaps another thread)..
But in today's world where women are told to be independent, pursue careers, and don't submit to anyone... we need to look to the scripture
and see what God says about these things.
Prov 31:10; An excellent wife, who can find? For her worth is far above jewels.
Prov 31:11; The heart of her husband trusts in her, And he will have no lack of gain.
Prov 31:12; She does him good and not evil All the days of her life.
Prov 31:27; She looks well to the ways of her household, And does not eat the bread of idleness.
Prov 31:28; Her children rise up and bless her; Her husband also, and he praises her, saying:
Prov 31:29; "Many daughters have done nobly, But you excel them all."