Can I ask s question to clarify? By 'current heaven', do you mean the state between death and the final resurrection?
Quite keen to join in the conversation, but want to make sure I've not got the wrong end of the stick .
@Hekuran and All
Greetings brother it is good to get things certain at this stage as it helps us all sing off the same hymn sheet.
Yes we are, in this thread, discussing the 'Current Heaven', it is the same place whether we are dead in Christ or alive on earth now. We are to discuss and share together stage by stage hopefully, various aspects of what Heaven is like now, up to God commanding Jesus to Return in Glory, defeat the devil, and the final resurrection. So we are considering the Current Heaven up to the Rapture (we will call here Christ's First Coming), the when He leaves Heaven as stated (we will call His second coming). Again so we are all singing the same hymn.
Bless you brother, it is a subject rarely studied, Saved believers usually look for the Final Resurrection, we will discuss that in a separate thread after this then link them together. It is a very interesting subject, and one that one would believe we should all be yearning to understand and know about.
- If we die before Christ's Return(s), what is Heaven like for us?
- If we are Raptured, what is Heaven like?
- What happens if we die during the Great Tribulation period and in that period we have repented and accepted Christ, possibly even martyred.
But let us not rush ahead, lets all talk about the basics of 'The Current Heaven' and hopefully get a discussion running.
It is important as many brothers and sisters join in the discussions, we will need knowledge, but also must have an opened mind and not expect answers to everything, there is quite a bit we can discuss as we progress, at the end we should all have gained something, me included as I have only a partial knowledge of what we are to share together. Should the Lord call us home tomorrow we will know what to expect, should we be Raptured this coming week we will know what to expect, when we say O Come Lord Jesus we will know where we will go this side of Christ's Return and The Final Resurrection.
Let us lay this topic at the Lord's feet in Prayer, and prayer the Truth in God's Word, directly or indirectly will be revealed as we fellowship together in His Name. In Jesus Name we pray. Amen
Let us first get the picture as John saw it and was told to write it down...
Revelation 4:1-11 (NKJV)
1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door
standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard
was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this."
2 Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and
One sat on the throne.
3 And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and
there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald.
4 Around the throne
were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads.
5 And from the throne proceeded lightnings, thunderings, and voices. Seven lamps of fire
were burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
6 Before the throne
there was a sea of glass, like crystal. And in the midst of the throne, and around the throne,
were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back.
7 The first living creature
was like a lion, the second living creature like a calf, the third living creature had a face like a man, and the fourth living creature
was like a flying eagle.
8
The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying: "Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, Who was and is and is to come!"
9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever,
10 the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying:
11 "You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created."
Revelation 5:1-14 (NKJV)
1 And I saw in the right
hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals.
2 Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, "Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?"
3 And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it.
4 So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look at it.
5 But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals."
6 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
7 Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.
8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
9 And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."
11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands,
12 saying with a loud voice: "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain To receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!"
13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: "Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!"
14 Then the four living creatures said, "Amen!" And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever.
Revelation 15:3-4 (NKJV)
3 They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying: "Great and marvelous
are Your works, Lord God Almighty! Just and true
are Your ways, O King of the saints!
4 Who shall not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For
You alone
are holy. For all nations shall come and worship before You, For Your judgments have been manifested."
Here are a few questions to consider regarding the current heaven
Initial Questions:
1 - Where do humans go when we die?
2 – Are there any resurrected people in the current heaven?
3 – Are all, or some, people in the current heaven, resurrected or spirits?