Bendito said:

You're not taking that from the bible...

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What happened to the virgins with no oil?
Locked out!

Curtis said:

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 6:37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away

John 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

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That puts a pretty big gap between who IS God's and who ISN'T, eh?
Liars and thieves and murders don't "come to Me".

Curtis said:

You are a day late, and a dollar short. We have already been raised with Christ into Heavenly places in Christ, and even when we were still sinners!!

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

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Thanks be to God for this truth!
Christ was "quickened" (made alive) 2000 years ago. We were still sinners.
By our present day immersion into Christ, and into His death, we too can be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.

Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

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Do you really think that liars, thieves, and murders are "sitting together in heavenly places with Christ"?

Curtis said:

This is why you do not have foggiest idea what you are talking about! Logical analytical reasoning of the Word God always comes out wrong, and in error, which you are in!!
Man's spirit is reborn at salvation. That spirit is Christ himself in us, and he can NOT sin....ever. One small problem, is that man (Christians) do sin, but not in practice, and when he does sin it is not his spirit, but sin is in his flesh as Paul describes !!!

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You deny your own "logic".
You write..."they can NOT sin", then say they "do sin".
Pick who you will represent. The devil or God!

Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

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The first few verses of Rom 7 clearly show that it is speaking of a former time. Verse 5..."For when we WERE in the flesh..."
The entire middle of Rom 7 is about Paul's former life as a Pharisee; trying to live the Mosaic Law, but failing. And again, a reference to the past in verse 18; (that is, in my flesh).
And the end, especially verse 23; "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to THE LAW OF SIN which is in my members."...points again to a former time. Because....
we read in Romans 8:2...."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from THE LAW OF SIN and death.
Why would Paul be subject to something he is free of?
If you could see the truth of Rom 7, and its proximity to Ro 6, which speaks of baptism and the death of the flesh, you would see that Paul is making the past-present transition, and Rom 8 continues on into the life walked in the Spirit.

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
A Christian can never loose their salvation because Christ in us who is our life can never sin at anytime!!!

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Absolutely right.
It is the false Christians who return to sin.

What about enduring unto the end?
1John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Every single born again Christian has already overcome this world!!!!! Do you why that is? Because Jesus overcame this world and he has given unto us HIS faith......even our faith that came from him!!!!!

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I think you are finally beginning to realize that sinners-nonocvercomers are not Christians.

Faith comes by (hearing) the Word (Jesus) of God!!!!

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AMEN!

Bendito said:

Does it stand to reason that God says something and we tell Him what He means? We push through in that we resist the enemy. That means we wage war on the enemy. Make him flee from you.

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And what of those who DON'T resist the enemy?

Does it stand to reason though that God says you are saved and we refuse to accept that fact?

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How many men who walk in darkness are, or better said, will be saved?

Bendito said:

Christians who are not part of the bride would be 'The wedding party'

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You are making things up now..
All Christians...the church, are the unstained, pure bride Jesus is returning for..
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Why do you think its so hard to get into heaven?

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Jesus said that many would be called but few would be chosen. (Matt 20:16)
Jesus also wondered if He would even find faith at His return. (Luke 18:8)

Bendito said:

Or you can confess your sin and God who is faithful and just will forgive you your sins and will cleanse you from ALL unrighteousness....thus restoring you to being the righteousness of God in Him.

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Yup.
You will start your "Christianity" from that point though.
The sin showed that you were not born of God's seed. (1 John 3:9)

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who who in this thread says that they can Love there neighbor as themselves 24/7 I will be the first to admit I fail at this but will try better. Just curios on how others are doing with this.

Dave M said:

Back on topic

who who in this thread says that they can Love there neighbor as themselves 24/7 I will be the first to admit I fail at this but will try better. Just curios on how others are doing with this.

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Just the same as you. wholeheartedly committed, and totally flawed.

Two things that keep my hopes up: first, by grace God is able to use my meagre efforts in a glorious way; second, I love God and my neighbours more deeply than I did five years ago - in five years time I look forward to loving more deeply still.

Blessings

At Peace said:

What happened to the virgins with no oil?
Locked out!

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But not damned

At Peace said:

Yup.
You will start your "Christianity" from that point though.
The sin showed that you were not born of God's seed. (1 John 3:9)

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My friend, you cannot write your own version of the bible..You will either believe the bible the way its written or YOU miss the mark. Fortunately though, its not as difficult as you seem to believe, to get into heaven.

Hekuran said:

by grace God is able to use my meagre efforts in a glorious way;

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"meager efforts". What does this mean? (I don't mean the spelling) For example... the people in the Bible.
Let us take Moses and the Red Sea. Was it God or Moses that caused the Red Sea to separate? I assume you will say God.
Was it David or God that killed Goliath? I assume you will say God.
Was it Elijah or God that caused fire to come down from heaven and consume the offering? I assume you will say God.

Now we could say it was because of Moses/David/Elijah "meager efforts" I suppose. But in the end... the sea still separated.
The giant was still killed. The fire still came down.

What God wanted was still accomplished in the end, despite however "weak" the people He used were.
Why do we think.. even with God helping us.... we can not accomplish perfect love?

Besides, as I pointed our earlier... if we only have to love them "as we love ourselves".. does it even have to be perfectly? Do we love
ourselves perfectly?

Bendito said:

But not damned

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Just curious... if we don't end up in heaven/Abraham's Bosom/Paradise/The New Jerusalem (whatever you want to call it)
and we don't end up in Hades/The Lake of Fire (whatever you want to call it)

Where do we end up? I don't really see any other options in the Bible.

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"meager efforts". What does this mean? (I don't mean the spelling) For example... the people in the Bible.
Let us take Moses and the Red Sea. Was it God or Moses that caused the Red Sea to separate? I assume you will say God.
Was it David or God that killed Goliath? I assume you will say God.
Was it Elijah or God that caused fire to come down from heaven and consume the offering? I assume you will say God.

Now we could say it was because of Moses/David/Elijah "meager efforts" I suppose. But in the end... the sea still separated.
The giant was still killed. The fire still came down.

What God wanted was still accomplished in the end, despite however "weak" the people He used were.
Why do we think.. even with God helping us.... we can not accomplish perfect love?

Besides, as I pointed our earlier... if we only have to love them "as we love ourselves".. does it even have to be perfectly? Do we love
ourselves perfectly?

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thats interesting I wonder if we all have differnt ideas in our heads on what loving our neighbor as or self look like??? for me I like to use real world examples so I can relate better. So here one, if you avoid a person that you know is trying to contact you, is that failing at loving your neighbor as yourself??

To go farther into detail lets say you came home from work you are tired and you just do not want to talk to anyone the phone rings and you avoid picking it up, for me I say that is not loving your neighbor as yourself. Now the reason I say that Let look at Jesus for the perfect example do you really think he wanted to leave paradise to come here in filthy world?? yet he did for us, do really think he wanted to die on a cross and suffer all that pain yet he did for us.

So when I come home from work and am just to tired to talk to someone and avoid the call to me that is about as opposite as what Jesus did for me.

NOW the good news is like Herkun I have improved a million times in this area just over the last three years thanks to JEsus but I am no whear close to him in loving my neighbor as he did

Even Jesus needed to be alone sometimes. Matt 14:23; John 6:15;

There are times when I'm too tired to do things even for myself. I'm a little hungry. I could get up and cook something.
I could even drive to a fast-food drive thru and buy something. But I'm too tired. It'll wait a little while.

Do we make it harder than it has to be?

At Peace said:

You deny your own "logic".
You write..."they can NOT sin", then say they "do sin".

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It is obvious you have no idea that man has two natures, and until you learn that you will always get the scriptures wrong!

At Peace said:

Thanks be to God for this truth!
Christ was "quickened" (made alive) 2000 years ago. We were still sinners.
By our present day immersion into Christ, and into His death, we too can be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life

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Scripture did NOT say someday we will be "raised" this happened 2,000 years ago.

Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Eph 2:6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

You again have no idea the difference between the spirit resurrection that happened when Jesus, and his Church was raised at the same time, and the resurrection of the body!!! Which is why it is called the resurrection of the "dead". The word, "dead" means "corpse" which means "body"!

B-A-C said:

Just curious... if we don't end up in heaven/Abraham's Bosom/Paradise/The New Jerusalem (whatever you want to call it)
and we don't end up in Hades/The Lake of Fire (whatever you want to call it)

Where do we end up? I don't really see any other options in the Bible.

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You have made two categories, when there were three at the time of Jesus. 1. Eternally out of God's presence (bad side of Hades, soon to be lake of fire). 2. Waiting place (Paradise, good side of Hades / Abraham's bosom. 3. Heaven / in God's presence.

There are only two destinations after the cross.

In addition if we apply this parable to say the rapture, there is scripture that speaks of second chances in the tribulation.

At Peace said:

The first few verses of Rom 7 clearly show that it is speaking of a former time. Verse 5..."For when we WERE in the flesh..."
The entire middle of Rom 7 is about Paul's former life as a Pharisee; trying to live the Mosaic Law, but failing. And again, a reference to the past in verse 18; (that is, in my flesh).
And the end, especially verse 23; "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to THE LAW OF SIN which is in my members."...points again to a former time. Because....
we read in Romans 8:2...."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from THE LAW OF SIN and death.
Why would Paul be subject to something he is free of?
If you could see the truth of Rom 7, and its proximity to Ro 6, which speaks of baptism and the death of the flesh, you would see that Paul is making the past-present transition, and Rom 8 continues on into the life walked in the Spirit.

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The Apostle Paul had no problems with "approving" the stoning of Stephen in Acts 8:1, in fact he thought he was doing good! That is NOT what he is saying in Romans 7:20...

Rom 7:20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

That would be really stupid to approve of someones stoning, and at the same time not approving it!!

What Paul is saying here is after his salvation he found out within himself a "desire" not to do wrong, but he kept doing wrong which he comes to the conclusion that it was NOT himself doing the wrong but sin that was in his flesh.

At Peace said:

Absolutely right.
It is the false Christians who return to sin.

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How can that be if scripture says every one born of God "cannot sin" ?

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.