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Hey there Roland, no, unfortunately, over the centuries Satan has convinced the world that the Torah (first five books of the OT) was done away with at the tree, but how could that be if all that Yahusha taught was the Torah! "Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth." Psalms 119:142
As for these pagan holidays (Easter,Christmas,Thanksgiving, New Year's Eve, Helloween etc.) these are all wicked, never in the Word of Yah we were instructed to celebrate the Birthday of Mashiach, and neither we are to celebrate our own (that would be exalting of oneself). Yahusha wasn't even born in the 25th of December, that date was Nimrod's birthday.

Don't attend any church, whether its evangelical or roman catholic, man-made religion with its own traditions, not built on the word of the Father!
True Sabbath (set-apart day) was changed from Saturday to Sunday, I do not advise to attend the church if you aren't interested in taking the Mark of the beast. Mark of the beast is spiritual, not physical as many falsely claim. "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads" - Revelations 13:16-17 That verse is speaking of taking the mark of the Anti-Mashiach, the lawless one, following man-made doctrines that perverted the word of Yah won't take you to the Kingdom.
“And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.” - Deuteronomy 6:8
That verse is speaking about keeping the Torah and commandments of Yah, (so we won't be found in the group of the lawless ones).
 
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Hi There,
I have a question,
If we donot celebrate Christmas or Easter than how will the world know about Jesus.
Even God said to the Jew's to celebrate the lambs feast before they left Egypt, that is Easter.
We received over this last Christma so many videos not to celebrate Christmas, but how to let the world know?

As for the commandments,
Jesus said that he did not came to destroy the law but to make it more "tougher", even if you look @ a woman wrong you are guilty of the law.
The law is also what comes from your heart, not from your mind.

As for the church you belong!
There is so many in the world, but there is a few that teach about the full aspect of Jesus.
We are blessed to be in one of those churches and it is getting harder to find a Jesus inspired church.
No one is there, if you find a church that is HOLY, please stay away as we as sinner will make it unholy.


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Well I believe it is important to keep God's Moedim or Holy Days because they all point directly to Jesus. For example you are right I keep Passover and feast of first fruits because that is when Jesus died and rose from the grave. Then 50 days later on Pentecost Jesus ascended to Heaven and the Holy Spirit came down. Then Rosh Hashanah points to Jesus's return, the day no man knows the day or the hour. Then yom kippur is the day Jesus will cleanse all His people. Then followed by the feast of tabernacles which is when Jesus will reign on as King on the earth for a thousand years followed by keeping the last great day which is when God has the white throne judgement. I even believe Hanukkah points to Jesus. The best part about keeping these days is people will ask all sorts of questions and you can just answer with how it all points to Jesus.
 
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There is only one God, one Christ, and only one word, therefore there should be only one church.

As for the church you belong!
There is so many in the world, but there is a few that teach about the full aspect of Jesus.
We are blessed to be in one of those churches and it is getting harder to find a Jesus inspired church.
No one is there, if you find a church that is HOLY, please stay away as we as sinner will make it unholy.

Church! Denominations!
The following is something put together not too long ago in a discussion I was having with someone who is Catholic and believes there's the only one true church. In looking at this subject, it became apparent that church in scripture is identified specific to locations, but more importantly to a body of believers at said locations. Even Revelation in the letters to the churches (multiple) deals with the behaviors of the congregations, not one shoe fits all as is the inclination with most denominations. The church I currently attend, never did answer this question when posed to them :) So through reading and praying the conclusion to me is that there is a Universal Church (My term only.), but not one which has ceilings, walls, or any worldly attributes we look to infuse in it.

My suggestion, if one is looking for one, is to seek one that is founded, and adheres to the Holy Bible, is willing to answer questions put before them, one that prays, does and not just talks about the Great Commission, in charity, service and exhibits the Love that God has shown us through His Son Jesus, to a lost and dying world.

I pray that this post may be for the edification and not a hindrance to anyone. In the name of Jesus Christ I ask this Amen.
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I have to first start defining certain words so we can see if we’re actually using the same Dictionary. It’s easy to use the same words, but as I’m coming to find out is that at times we are using different dictionaries, which might create difficulty in understanding each other. I hope you don’t mind that I tackle it in this fashion. I will attempt in every case to identify scripture or the lack of scriptural reference. Lord willing within the context of what God would have us comprehend we will find His truth.

Church
First one must define church as used in scripture. Easy to automatically provide the definition from our current perspective of what a church must be. Many people today understand the church as a building or denomination. This is not a complete biblical understanding of church. The word “church” comes from the Greek word ekklesia which is defined as “an assembly” or “called-out ones.” The root meaning of “church” is not that of a building, but of people. It is ironic that when you ask people what church they attend, they usually identify a building. The following verse I used to show Paul addressing "the church" as a body of believers and not a building/denomination. Romans 16:5 says “… greet the church that is in their house.” Paul refers to the church in their house—not a church building, but a body of believers.

How does one come to this? First one must see who the Creator of the Church is.

Jesus Christ Co-Creator
You can see this clearly that the church is the body of Christ, of which He is the head in the following scripture reading.

Ephesians 1:22-23 says, “And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”
Colossians 1:18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.

Holy Spirit Co-Creator
Keep in mind as well that the Holy Spirit was co-creator of the church.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Ephesians 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; (20) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; (21) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: (22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Where is this "...habitation of God through the Spirit."?

Body of Christ
The phrase “the Body of Christ” is a common New Testament metaphor for the Church (all those who are truly saved).

Romans 12:5 So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
1 Corinthians 10:17 For we [being] many are one bread, [and] one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Hebrews 13:3 Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; [and] them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.
Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
Ephesians 4:3-6 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. (4) [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; (5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (6) One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

Our need to name things I believe is a Godly direction, that goes all the way back to Genesis. So in this light, for lack of giving the church a specific name or one so general as just "church" which might not be so bad as long as we know the builder and who resides there, I'll add one.

Universal Church
The universal church consists of all believers in Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 12:13 “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or - Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”.
Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
Ephesians 1:22-23 And hath put all [things] under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all [things] to the church, [23] Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst."
1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
2 Corinthians 6:16 Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, "I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

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One consistency I've seen which crosses all denominations, languages, race, what have you, of believers and that is Jesus Christ. That He lived, died on the Cross, and He has Risen! I seen this to be true, just by mentioning His name, to a couple who did not know English, so were distrustful of me, didn't understand a word I was saying, until I said "Jesus Christ", pointed up with my finger and tapped my heart. Truly One Body! Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia! As I mentioned when I first started, I pray this does not become a hindrance to anyone.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Loyal
The book of Galatians is often used to prove "grace".

Gal 1:6; I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
Gal 1:7; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8; But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

So what was the "different gospel" they were following? It gives us a clue in the next chapter.

Gal 2:3; But not even Titus, who was with me, though he was a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.
Gal 2:4; But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.
Gal 2:5; But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.

It's the circumcision law again. The ceremonial law.

Gal 3:1; You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?

What were these foolish Galatians doing?

Gal 5:1; It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
Gal 5:2; Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
Gal 5:3; And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.
Gal 5:4; You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

This whole book is really about following ceremonial law (circumcision).

Gal 5:6; For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.
Gal 5:7; You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?

Paul brings them back to the commandments.

Gal 5:14; For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

Gal 6:13; For those who are circumcised do not even keep the Law themselves, but they desire to have you circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh.
Gal 6:14; But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
Gal 6:15; For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

It isn't circumcision (the ceremonial law) that saves you.
 
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Hi There,

Thanks for the insets,
I agree with Christ4Ever and B-A-C, it is LOVE and a relationship with Jesus, but I was born after the Catholics change the dates but it is not the
DATES on where they fall that matters, but the whole Bible teaches us about Obedience and most off all LOVE,
Are we Jews or Gentiles, me: I'm a gentile and for that I love the LORD with everything.
The Church i go to is on a Sunday and are open to learn more of the LORD.
We as the Body of Christ is there to show and to speak to the world about the one that is every where and knows everything,
and HE wants a relationship with Us

Let me ask you this, how would you feel if your birthday is in the middle of the week and you try to have a party and only 2 people arrive?
if your birthday is still in the middle of the week and you have a party on set aside day then the same people that you invited will be 100 times more!
is the day so much important or is the event more important.

We as Christians must be very careful to bring religion into a relationship,
so also to bring dates into an event that has been placed in our hearts
 
Loyal
I personally celebrate Christmas and Easter. Not Santa Claus and the Easter bunny, but the birth of Christ and the resurrection of Christ.
Some say these holidays have roots in paganism, perhaps they do, but no pagan god is stronger than my God.
However this is a subject that many disagree on and have strong feelings about.
 
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Hi There,

Just a last word for this subject;

The only time that my sister use the name of Jesus is on Christmas.
Then she tries to tell her daughter that "some Christ has been born on that day"

She is an atheist, but we are praying for them.

Enjoy the rest of your day and may Jesus be the corner stone for your life
 
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I personally celebrate Christmas and Easter. Not Santa Claus and the Easter bunny, but the birth of Christ and the resurrection of Christ.
Some say these holidays have roots in paganism, perhaps they do, but no pagan god is stronger than my God.
However this is a subject that many disagree on and have strong feelings about.
Hello brother, the thing is that, Yah is against these pagan traditions, and as Yahusha didn't celebrate any of that, and so shouldn't we. "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth"
Where is the truth in any of these pagan traditions? Nowhere, they aren't of the Most High, but of the world. And who is the god of this world? - "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Mashiach, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."
We do not worship Yah that way - "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Mashiach."
 
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Greetings,

This whole book is really about following ceremonial law (circumcision).

wasn't circumcision much more than 'ceremonial law'?
Was it not a mark of being set apart? Otherwise, without having real significance why would the LORD command it to be done?
Being set apart, then and now, Old Testament and New Testament. Same LORD and therefore the same will and purpose. The new Covenant is what sets us apart now, whereby those who come to the LORD have their heart circumcised.

B-A-C, you wrote about keeping the commandments. Can you please also tell us which ones? Is Torah still relevant?

What does 'keep' mean?
And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments 1John 2:3
Know Who? Which commandments?

You also suggested that the sacrifice that Saul said he was going to make to the LORD with the spoil after slaughter was a sin sacrifice. Is that what it was?

Were all sacrifices ended at the Cross? If so, what value is there in us being living sacrifices?

B-A-C, you seem to try to blend Grace and keeping the commandments. Do you understand Grace? Could you please explain what Grace is so that readers can understand what you have written?

Bless you ....><>
 
Loyal
wasn't circumcision much more than 'ceremonial law'?
Was it not a mark of being set apart? Otherwise, without having real significance why would the LORD command it to be done?
Being set apart, then and now, Old Testament and New Testament. Same LORD and therefore the same will and purpose. The new Covenant is what sets us apart now, whereby those who come to the LORD have their heart circumcised.

A lot of questions in a single post.
First of all... the circumcision was not the covenant, it was "a sign" of the covenant. (hence ceremonial)

Gen 17:10; This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised.
Gen 17:11; And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you.

There were three parts to this covenant.
1. To make of Abraham a great nation and bless Abraham and make his name great so that he will be a blessing, to bless those who bless him and curse him who curses him and all peoples on earth would be blessed through Abraham (Gen 12:1-3; )
2. To give Abraham's descendants all the land from the river of Egypt to the Euphrates. (Gen 15:18-21; )
3. To make Abraham the father of many nations and of many descendants and give "the whole land of Canaan" to his descendants (Gen 17:2-9; )

The circumcision was just a "sign" of the covenant. ( Gen 17:9-14; )
God did the same thing with Noah. (Gen 9:8-12) that the people and inhabitants of the earth would never again be destroyed by a flood.
That was the covenant. The "sign" of the covenant was a rainbow. (Gen 9:12; ) But the rainbow itself is not a covenant.

But there are signs that go along with the new covenant also. ( Mark 16:17; Acts 6:8; 1 Core 14:22; etc... )
However these are not the new covenant itself.
 
Loyal
B-A-C, you wrote about keeping the commandments. Can you please also tell us which ones? Is Torah still relevant?

I would ask are the teachings of Jesus still relevant? If not, is Jesus still relevant? But to answer your question "which ones"? That
question was asked to Jesus also, this was His answer.

Matt 19:17; And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Matt 19:18; Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness;
Matt 19:19; Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Also see Mark 10:19; and Luke 18:20;

I would ask which commandment do you think doesn't apply anymore? Keep the Sabbath?
Are we now supposed to murder, steal, lie, bear false witness, commit adultery, commit fornication, worship other gods?
If not, why not?

1 Jn 2:3; By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1 Jn 2:4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
1 Jn 2:5; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:

In a way, you could take this as a "sign" that we know Jesus. The commandments aren't the covenant, but by keeping them
it's a sign that we are under the new covenant.
 
Loyal
You also suggested that the sacrifice that Saul said he was going to make to the LORD with the spoil after slaughter was a sin sacrifice. Is that what it was?

I don't recall saying specifically it was "sin" sacrifice, although it's possible. I did say it was for sacrifice, however there are
multiple kinds of sacrifice, but I would sin offering was by far the most prevalent.

1 Sam 15:15; Saul said, “They have brought them from the Amalekites, for the people spared the best of the sheep and oxen, to sacrifice to the Lord your God; but the rest we have utterly destroyed.”

1 Sam 15:21; But the people took some of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the choicest of the things devoted to destruction, to sacrifice to the Lord your God at Gilgal.”

Were they all intended for sin sacrifice? I don't know, but I assume some were. I also gather this from what Samuel said.

1 Sam 15:22; Samuel said,

“Has the Lord as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
As in obeying the voice of the Lord?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams.
23 “For rebellion is as the sin of divination,
And insubordination is as iniquity and idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the Lord,
He has also rejected you from being king.”

Saul mentions "the sin" and he mentions sacrifices for disobedience to the Lord. (which would be sin).
 
Loyal
Were all sacrifices ended at the Cross? If so, what value is there in us being living sacrifices?

A covenant is an agreement between two parties to hold their ends of the deal. Jesus held up His end (sacrificed on the cross) and continues to do so.
The question is... do we always hold up our end? ( I get the assumption, that you assume He does that for us also )
 
Loyal
B-A-C, you seem to try to blend Grace and keeping the commandments. Do you understand Grace? Could you please explain what Grace is so that readers can understand what you have written?

I honestly don't see how there can be one without the other.
Grace. Grace for what? Existing? You exist - therefore I give you grace?? If that was the case, everyone would go to heaven.

No, grace is for sin. The more we sin, the more grace we need. ( Rom 5:20-21; Rom 6:1; etc... )
If there was no law, there would be no sin. If there was no sin, there would be no need for grace.
If there was no need for grace, there would be no need for Jesus.

We aren't given grace just so we can sin. We are given grace when we try not to sin but fail. ( Rom 6:1; Rom 6:15; )
Grace is for repentant people that sometimes make mistakes. Grace is NOT for unrepentant people who deliberately go on sinning.
( Jude 1:4; Heb 10:26; ) It is possible to go too far, and fall short of grace. ( Heb 12:15; )
 
Loyal
Grace... what is grace? maybe that's a better question.
Merriam Webster says:
grace: -(in Christian belief) the free and unmerited favor of God, as manifested in the salvation of sinners and the bestowal of blessings.

There are verses that say grace is a gift. - ( Eph 2:8; Eph 3:7; Eph 4:7; etc.. ) but a box of chocolates can also be a gift.
So what "IS" the gift? Forgiveness -- not holding our sins against us.
Every time we sin, we need more grace. This is really the same as saying every time we sin, we need more forgiveness.
Jesus has the power to forgive sins. ( Matt 9:6; Mark 2:10; etc.. )
But He only gives it to repentant people. ( Luke 13:3-5; Luke 15:7; Luke 17:3; Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; Acts 8:22; etc.. )
How do we repent? What does repent mean? It means turn around, go the opposite direction.
Go the opposite direction of what? Sin. What is sin? Disobeying God. Disobeying what God says to do (commandments)
would be sin. So obeying the commandments (and whatever else God tells you to do) would be the primary way to repent.
 
Loyal
What is the difference between His Father's Commandments and His Commandments?

I suspect you are talking about John 15:12; we can go that way if you want.

But I tend to think anything between Matt 5:19; and Matt 7:27; would be Jesus's commandments.

What do you think practicing lawlessness means? ( Matt 7:23; )

Also are we only supposed to follow Jesus's commandments, or the Father's also? ( 1 Jn 5:2-3; Rev 12:17; )

Finally I would say... even if Jesus's only commandments was "love one another".
How do we do that? By following the 10 commandments. Matt 5:17;

Rom 13:8; Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9; For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Rom 13:10; Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

This is Jesus speaking here...

Mat 22:37; And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
Mat 22:38; "This is the great and foremost commandment.
Mat 22:39; "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
Mat 22:40; "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

So what Paul is saying in Rom 13:8-10; and what Jesus is saying in Matt 22:38-40; is the same thing.
Basically if you aren't murdering people, stealing from them, lying to them, having an affair with their wives, ... you are loving them.

I would even go a little further here and say... there are teaching of Jesus that aren't called "commandments" per se.
But they are teachings on how to live. Matt 25:31-46; for example. Perhaps that isn't a commandment, but it has the same
consequences as the commandments. All of Jesus's teachings about good fruit, bad fruit, and even NO fruit. They aren't necessarily
called commandments. But they have the consequences of hell.
Matt 6:14-15; aren't called commandments either. How about Matt 12:31; ? Just because they aren't called commandments, does that mean we shouldn't follow them?


But Jesus does talk about the commandments in His teachings. Matt 5:21-22; Matt 5:27-28; Matt 5:33-34;Matt 5:43-44; Matt 15:4; Matt 19:19;
Mark 7:10; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; etc... so are they His commandments, or His teachings? Does make a difference?
 
Loyal
I would also ask anyone who is trying to divide Jesus's words from the Father, if they believe Jesus is God?
 
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Greetings @B-A-C

Thank you for giving your answers.

You said,
A lot of questions in a single post.
Yes, I was replying to your questionable post.

You also said,
( I get the assumption, that you assume He does that for us also )

I do not assume, therefore you are left with your assumption.

Your answers to my questions are questionable, too. I shall endeavor to reply to your answers.

Again, thank you for taking the time to give your answers,

Bless you ....><>
 
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