So born again Christians can reject Jesus?
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So born again Christians can reject Jesus?
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Gods word teaches-- Matthew 10:22--Those who endure until the end( death or Har-mageddon) will be saved.
Paul likened it to a race, he said --one must run with endurance, and cross the finish line.
It seems to me that since no mortal man has ever seen a single name written in the book of life, nor can he read another' true heart, and it surely is impossible to know who will endure till the end,that not one mortal has the right to tell another--you are saved or born again. He cannot possibly know. He only has theory. I believe telling others that, only hurts them more than helps them run the race properly and many will fall because they believe they are already saved.
It doesn't mean that one isnt living according to all they need, to run the race properly and may very well be in a saved position, but not another mortal knows it for sure.
For example--this is what Mr Osteen does-- at the end of every sermon he tells all --if you say 3 lines of prayer--you are born again( meaning saved)--he doesn't know 3% of the ones out in tv land and not that many in attendance either. there are thousands.
I attended one of those denominations years ago--the teacher assured me if I came to the front and said 3 lines of prayer , I was born again---yet back then, I was a drug dealer, drunkard, thief, and fornicator just to start--- his words were not truth--yet there are millions being told that and its not true.
1John 3 is like a mirror, ALL need to peer into.It teaches--who are Gods children, and who are the devils children--it says---It is impossible for a child of God to practice even 1 sin.--basically saying if one practices even 1 sin its impossible to be a child of God--- many need to reevaluate.
It's not just hard to believe, it's impossible. In a literal sense.
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Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
"Many" will hear those words at the Judgment, probably thinking they were born again. Doing all those good works for perhaps many decades in life just won't count unless doing God's will. We are required to overcome to the end, which in that verse means not habitually doing what we decide to do, like "Next month I will move to that town and join that church", then doing that, while God was wanting us to stay put and submit to the ministry already in hand. Many people labelled Christian will apparently go through life never once doing what God wants. Those truly born again will strive to hear his voice and do his will all their born-again days.
"I never knew you" seems to me indication that because of course any name in the book would be "known" to all reading it, one might well not truly know the person belonging to the name. I kept a book of applicants for work, along with any information they supplied or that I acquired, sort of knowing them. But I only knew those who were hired and stayed doing a good job. Many of those are friends now.
I believe that ever since the creation all people known to God who are found of believing faith, even at age 99+, were and are written into that book, but pending. It is evident to me that one's name remains in that book if still found faithful to do his will to the end. Faithfully following the leading of God simply must be part of saving faith in Christ. It can't be like signing up for membership in a health club, then never using the facility for what it is intended. By analogy I see many members who show up just to play cards, dominoes, desperately needing to do something for health, but not doing it, surrounded by all sorts of fine facilities, and pleas from group leaders to join in on exercise classes.
I agree it is dubious concerning people saying a few prayer lines gets their name in the book without fearing it might be blotted out. God takes pledges seriously, though people tend to forget them.
1 Corinthians 9:24-27 (KJV)
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
That and many other scriptures say there's a lot more to salvation than saying you believe, then fail to do God's will. Supplanting his will with your own gets the name blotted out. I know that isn't popular, but there's just too many warnings about dropping out of the race. There was a man that entered a local race marathon for breast cancer, number 112, who stepped aside, cut through town, rejoined the race and "won". Even men demand that a runner run the course, while those that do run the course often drop out from fatigue or whatever, so though not a "loser", they will not attain a prize.
From all that I detect there is an eternal prize of final salvation waiting at the finish line. Unfortunately many people won't even have the finish line in sight, but will be found loitering along the path. They might say at the Judgment they did such and such for God, but if blotted out their names will not be found, proving the Lord didn't know them like a friend, but a name that was once on a page only.
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Hey, Grace. I thought I had a thought with the question that I asked but I lost track of it.
I'm trying to prove you wrong or right either one, by using my meager skills in the Greek language to look into some of the older texts and translations. I'll get back to you if I turn anything up. So far, though, your view on it looks the strongest as far as I'm concerned.
I'm trying to prove you wrong or right either one, by using my meager skills in the Greek language to look into some of the older texts and translations. I'll get back to you if I turn anything up. So far, though, your view on it looks the strongest as far as I'm concerned.
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Yes, "non-believers" who did possibly mighty works in the name of Jesus, willing to appeal to Jesus at the Judgment on the basis of their works,
like those Jesus did, saying we should do the same. They had appearance of "Believer", but didn't really know Jesus, nor did he know them. They deceived themselves, failing to overcome the Devil and their own flesh.
True believers on Christ will do God's will, even if failing here and there while serving their own agendas, but returning to LORD Jesus. God waits for sons to return home, like the Prodigal Son's father. True believers will be known to Jesus as Overcomers of the Devil. Their works will not burn up because they pursued Christ to their end.
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- Sorry, buy that is a pure secular / carnal response!
- The promise of Revelation 3:5 is directed to believers, who are secure in their salvation. In contrast, the warning of Revelation 22:19 is directed to unbelievers, who, rather than change their hearts toward God, attempt to change God’s Word to suit themselves
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In my opinion, based on what the Bible says to me, I don't believe "mine iniquties" do exist for those believers who repent and return to doing God's will. They are scattered from God as far as the east is from the west, which extends far beyond the borders of our universe. Our name will not be blotted out, either, because God knows our repentance is real, settled in the heavenlies and on earth, and the repentant one turned back to Jesus will not return to his vomit. Psalms 51:9 sums up the hope of all Children of God concerning our sins past and present. I will not presume upon God to automatically excuse future sins that are not dissolved by the blood of Jesus by my faith and repentance. Thanks for posting that one. The Lord stands ready to perform that for anyone serious about doing his own small part to submit to God, resist the Devil, making Satan to flee.
What deep-searching discussions I am finding here! They drive me deeper and deeper into the word of God. Selah.
I am always willing to change what I believe based on the Word of God. I am open to anything you have to share concerning this subject.
Amen!
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AT that time he says they are not written, Could it be that they had already rejected Jesus?
