Slain in the Spirit

[Donald]

It seems that everyone thinks that because slain in the spirit is so widely maifest that it must be from God otherwise why would it be happening. Well we know that anyone truely following God's principles will be persecuted, mocked and ridiculled. Taking up the cross is not always good for the flesh. Matter of fact many of the earlier believers were killed because of their faith. They chose to walk along the narrow road and not the broad. Because everyone else is doing it it must be right! But those who walk along the narrow road find very few footprints there and they wonder if they are on the right road after all. But we know that those who want to truely follow after Christ the Lord will not be very popular with the population at large.

AMOS 7:7-8 shows that God always measures the heart with the divine plumbline which is the Word of God. Rev 1:8 also states the Words from Jesus Himself "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord. Which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty"

The Alpha and the Omega, the begining and the ending, will surely point you to the fact that He is the Genesis and the Revelation and everything inbetween, and that same Word is as good today as it was when it was first written, it deals with the heart past, present and in the future, it will not change.

God measures all up against His Word and I am afraid to say that the so called [/I]slain in the spirit[/I] is not biblical. Not once through out Jesus' ministry did he ever cause anyone to fall down to heal him/her. He said Himself that He only does what His Father in Heaven is doing. All those that did fall down face first were in absolute fear and in reverence of God otherwise it was judgement.

We know that parable of the wheat and the tares. The tares were planted by the enemy. Well Satan has planted his people, who appear to be apostles of light but are not the genuine article link the tares are to the wheat. Benny Hinn, Rodney Howard Browne, Kennith Hagen etc operate under a false annointing that only attempts to act the part. They seems to bear fruit to the Spirit of God but do not. Secondly if these people were truely members of the true Body of Christ they would be able to substantiate the claims that their so called healings are true but they cannot and matter of fact they cannot prove that one such person has ever been healed through their laying of hands or when someone is slain in the spirit. Matter of fact they hardly preach the Word at all. Everything is experiential at most. I have documented videos where it has been stated that these people are following exactly after those who practice mass hypnosis and after Hindu practices.

If God, who cannot sin, measures us against His Word it would only go to say that 2 Corinthians 3 and Hebrews 8:10 is correct because we must have the Word of God written on our minds and our hearts by the the Holy Ghost so that we become his witnesses in this world and so that we have everything for holy living. John 16:12-15 Jesus says that the Holy Spirit will always point people to Him and not to Himself. The Psamist in Psalms 1 and 119 show that the Word of God is important. Without sound doctrine we cannot grow to maturity in Christ.

Lastly I would doubt if anyone who claims to be a Roman Catholic, who prays to Mary, who sees the Pope as the mediator between God and man, such as the above priest with a so called healing ministry, is a member of the true Body of Christ. Matter of fact this church is the woman who rides the beast mentioned in the book of Revelation. We know that the anologies of the bible that talk of the good women refer to the Bride of Christ wehereas those women in the bible seen as harlots refer to the Bride of the anti-christ which is being made manifest now in this world and which is moving fast to the new world order. Those who do not worship the image of the beast will be persecuted and killed because of the name of Jesus Christ. They will stand up for what is right and will not be accepted.

Beware of the ecumenical movement that is attempting to bring unity to the so called Christian church because not all those who claim to be christian are in fact christian. No one absolutely no one can claim to be one with Christ if he or she has not repented of their past, present and future sins. If they have not bowed their knee to the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords with remorse ..... not because they have raised their hands out of an emotional alter call. No one is born a Christian they must have repented from the heart and have entered into a relationship with God that Adam enjoyed before he sinned and this relationship can only be restored through Jesus Christ His Son Romans 5 - 8.

Ephesians 4 says that we are to keep the unit of the Spirit through the bond of peace, firstly peace with God through Jesus Christ and then with our fellow man because of the sanctifying work of the Holy Ghost in the believers life Galatians 5:22, 1 Cor 13 1-8.

I have come out of this lot of hogwash and I hope the Lord will use me to draw many more out of this false movement that is misleading millions of people and taking them directly to hell!!

 

[Stylez4Christ]

It seems that everyone thinks that because slain in the spirit is so widely maifest that it must be from God otherwise why would it be happening. Well we know that anyone truely following God's principles will be persecuted, mocked and ridiculled. Taking up the cross is not always good for the flesh. Matter of fact many of the earlier believers were killed because of their faith. They chose to walk along the narrow road and not the broad. Because everyone else is doing it it must be right! But those who walk along the narrow road find very few footprints there and they wonder if they are on the right road after all. But we know that those who want to truely follow after Christ the Lord will not be very popular with the population at large.

AMOS 7:7-8 shows that God always measures the heart with the divine plumbline which is the Word of God. Rev 1:8 also states the Words from Jesus Himself "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord. Which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty"

The Alpha and the Omega, the begining and the ending, will surely point you to the fact that He is the Genesis and the Revelation and everything inbetween, and that same Word is as good today as it was when it was first written, it deals with the heart past, present and in the future, it will not change.

God measures all up against His Word and I am afraid to say that the so called [/I]slain in the spirit[/I] is not biblical. Not once through out Jesus' ministry did he ever cause anyone to fall down to heal him/her. He said Himself that He only does what His Father in Heaven is doing. All those that did fall down face first were in absolute fear and in reverence of God otherwise it was judgement.

We know that parable of the wheat and the tares. The tares were planted by the enemy. Well Satan has planted his people, who appear to be apostles of light but are not the genuine article link the tares are to the wheat. Benny Hinn, Rodney Howard Browne, Kennith Hagen etc operate under a false annointing that only attempts to act the part. They seems to bear fruit to the Spirit of God but do not. Secondly if these people were truely members of the true Body of Christ they would be able to substantiate the claims that their so called healings are true but they cannot and matter of fact they cannot prove that one such person has ever been healed through their laying of hands or when someone is slain in the spirit. Matter of fact they hardly preach the Word at all. Everything is experiential at most. I have documented videos where it has been stated that these people are following exactly after those who practice mass hypnosis and after Hindu practices.

If God, who cannot sin, measures us against His Word it would only go to say that 2 Corinthians 3 and Hebrews 8:10 is correct because we must have the Word of God written on our minds and our hearts by the the Holy Ghost so that we become his witnesses in this world and so that we have everything for holy living. John 16:12-15 Jesus says that the Holy Spirit will always point people to Him and not to Himself. The Psamist in Psalms 1 and 119 show that the Word of God is important. Without sound doctrine we cannot grow to maturity in Christ.

Lastly I would doubt if anyone who claims to be a Roman Catholic, who prays to Mary, who sees the Pope as the mediator between God and man, such as the above priest with a so called healing ministry, is a member of the true Body of Christ. Matter of fact this church is the woman who rides the beast mentioned in the book of Revelation. We know that the anologies of the bible that talk of the good women refer to the Bride of Christ wehereas those women in the bible seen as harlots refer to the Bride of the anti-christ which is being made manifest now in this world and which is moving fast to the new world order. Those who do not worship the image of the beast will be persecuted and killed because of the name of Jesus Christ. They will stand up for what is right and will not be accepted.

Beware of the ecumenical movement that is attempting to bring unity to the so called Christian church because not all those who claim to be christian are in fact christian. No one absolutely no one can claim to be one with Christ if he or she has not repented of their past, present and future sins. If they have not bowed their knee to the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords with remorse ..... not because they have raised their hands out of an emotional alter call. No one is born a Christian they must have repented from the heart and have entered into a relationship with God that Adam enjoyed before he sinned and this relationship can only be restored through Jesus Christ His Son Romans 5 - 8.

Ephesians 4 says that we are to keep the unit of the Spirit through the bond of peace, firstly peace with God through Jesus Christ and then with our fellow man because of the sanctifying work of the Holy Ghost in the believers life Galatians 5:22, 1 Cor 13 1-8.

I have come out of this lot of hogwash and I hope the Lord will use me to draw many more out of this false movement that is misleading millions of people and taking them directly to hell!!

I disagree with you because there nothing wrong with being slain the spirit :/ I believed is biblical because you've been tought what church you belong to or whatever denmination or some have teach...

 

[Maureen]

all I want to say is read the book 'The Other Side of The River' by Kevin Reeves, any read it?

will open your spiritual eyes very wide.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

I did read very few of that book by Kevin Reeves, I think he should of try going to a real truthful Charismatic or a Pentecostal church rather then going to a house of God where people barking like dogs like Toronto Blessing or a United Pentecostal or a Oneness churches where they call it the holy dance where people jump on the wall or the people who don‘t believed in the trinity. I’m surprise that his testimony says where he said that the church that he attended was saying that they put the scripture aside but go to the experience, those people got to be kidding ME!

Let me tell you what a Charismatic or a Pentecostal church is a post to be about, it is a church where people feel God love, Spirit filled, Feeling the spirit of all of its glorious of His presence, Having God joyous time, catching the powerful spiritual realm where God having his way, casting out demons, use of the gift of the Holy Ghost, The church Art of act of expression of praise and worship by dancing and worship of body movement and excitement of the glory of God , divine healings, powerful prayer warriors, preaching the word where the word of God delivered people and set them free, I hate when they say drunk in he spirit but that’s okay but I call it being in the presence of God or catching the holy ghost fire or the power of the Holy Spirit.

A people where they raise there both hand on high, a church where many shout or cry out of praising and thanksgiving with a joyful noise, A powerful bible study, a church where people get a word where they get set free because of the prophetic word that has been given from God, where people love to enjoy the comfort of the holy spirit accept I hear never anyone laughing for hour but more then a couple of minutes but I don‘t know how much the list goes on but that how it is in my church for the example but as for slain in the spirit, lest get on it shall we. This is why the bible explains that we be filled in the spirit rather then being drunk so this is why we understand why people fall because it has a drunken feeling sensation but a bit different. If you never experience it, well then you don’t know how it feels, that’s why most people who never experience it don‘t know nothing?

Being slain in the spirit does not always mean of laying of hand accept 70 to 85% of them is of laying on the head or touching on neck or touching on hands, stomach, it can also be blowing like wind on shoulders, speaking or praying or praying to yourself or a preacher would pray only with a word and with of scriptures or in a prophetic depend on the move of the holy spirit way without being touch but just words, so now you see people get slain in the spirit in many different ways and list can go on but I strongly do believed the devil can use the same device as God can do it because I could tell you this story when my church was fellowshipping with this Baptist church where this pastor got prideful and that’s why he look at my pastor with a dirty look on his face the hold time when my pastor was preaching at this church when he stop my pastor from praying or laying hands on people and call for salvation and God was moving until this pastor was acting like an idiot and came and stop God from moving and stop my pastor for whatever God led him to do!

Until this man was trying lay hand on people and kind of recognize that it was not from God and also lay hand on my pastor and one of my church members, and at first they said they was going to bless my pastor but never did!

No wonder why my pastor had to leave that church early when the services was over so no wonder why my pastor and felt so sick that he was going to throw up and he also cry a little about it and it is because the laying of hand from this Baptist pastor who said he need to pray for my pastor for some strangest reason and there are complaint where someone from my church that felt fear when this Baptist pastor lay hand on this person from my church and she said when she fall back she felt fear and it was very different that I have seen from her expression of her face because I seen her slain in the spirit before with my pastor but she never look fear until this Baptist pastor when on to lay hands n her and I saw and hear voice with fear so now we know that it is from Satan.

But I also heard things like TV preacher like Benny Hinn for example where I hear that they say he a false prophet but I rather not judge him because he still a man of God but because people out there may spread rumors but I kind of feel that he may operate Demonic things that why I don‘t watch Benny Hinn because I do feel wired about but my church is a pretty strong discernment ministry that there not division going on at church accept for last year lol..

But try begin to pray and meditate, repeat scriptures and really get into Jesus. Love on Him, really get into deep praise and worship, prayer. Keep at this for a while and you will enter a higher spiritual realm. If you let go by allowing the manifestation to come into you and being filled with the spirit, your body will collapse or fall on the floor. This is what is called being "Slain in the Spirit". Your totally giving in to Jesus.


Lets look at the characteristic of slain in the spirit in the bible in the KJV…

We find that everyone who has fall down to the ground in biblical times has come from the power of God but never find anything from Satan, and how ironic is that… Cool haaaaa!

Acts 9:3-9 (King James Version)
3And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
6And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
7And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
8And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
9And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.


Acts 26:13-18 (King James Version)
13At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.


Ezekiel 1:28 (King James Version)
28As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

Ezekiel 3:23 (King James Version)
23Then I arose, and went forth into the plain: and, behold, the glory of the LORD stood there, as the glory which I saw by the river of Chebar: and I fell on my face


Ezekiel 43:3 (King James Version)
3And it was according to the appearance of the vision which I saw, even according to the vision that I saw when I came to destroy the city: and the visions were like the vision that I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell upon my face.

Ezekiel 44:4 (King James Version)
4Then brought he me the way of the north gate before the house: and I looked, and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD: and I fell upon my face.


Daniel 10:8 (King James Version)
8Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength.
9Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.

John 18:6 (King James Version)
6As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Revelation 1:17 (King James Version)
17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

2 Chronicles 5:13-14 (King James Version)
13It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of musick, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD;
14So that the priests COULD NOT STAND to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God.

Matthew 17:6 (King James Version)
6And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.


Acts 10:10-11 (King James Version)
10And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

Judges 13:20 (King James Version)
20For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground.


Mark 9:25-26 (King James Version)
25When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.
26And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead

1 Samuel 26:12 (King James Version)
12So David took the spear and the cruse of water from Saul's bolster; and they gat them away, and no man saw it, nor knew it, neither awaked: for they were all asleep; because a deep sleep from the LORD was fallen upon them.

Matthew 28:2-4 (King James Version)
2And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.

Mark 3:11 (King James Version)
11And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.


As we see, that we read a wonderful scripture of example of people slain in the spirit, amen praise God my last respond to this topic! Yea! Hallelu’’’’jah!

Psalm 23
1The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
(((2He maketh me to lie down in green pastures))) he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

 

[Maureen]

Stylez4Christ

'he may operate Demonic things that why I don‘t watch Benny Hinn'

I too agree here, I used to love watching him I even went to a Crusade when he came to were I live, but I was also taken in, what i have read, and one very bad thing which comes to mind really did it for me, so I don't watch any God TV now then I don't watch good or bad, best not to watch at all.


I have started once again, to attend a Pentecostal church, I left one, a few years back, because, it affected me so much I ended up in a Mental Hospital for 6 weeks, now that wasn't of the Lord, and we know Satan also can quote scripture.

all mostly fell on their face, or to their knees, NOT backward, as everyone seems to at these places were this happens, but it's in the Lord's hands who am I to judge, we will all know oneday, when it is all revealed to us.

The church Kevin Reeves went to was very extreme indeed, but then we do have to be careful too, not get mixed up in something that is not of the Lord. God forbid that, it also shows how we can get caught up in it and believe also it is of God.

I myself have experienced 'freedom in the spirit' at church and also experienced 'restriction' at another church, personally I prefer the 'freedom' to worship with Holy Hands unto Jesus, be able to 'clap' as the servant of God brings a message, or sings as unto the Lord, give the Lord the praise clap, so I know what the differance is, one seems tight, unjoyfull, sullen, afraid even to tap the hymn book nearly, a hat is deemed appropiate attire, (something which has been a enormas stumbling block for ages to me) how can there be joy and happiness like this if we are feeling 'bound'?

enough said, brother, appreciate your post, understand what your putting across..


This is my fav verse from that Psalm, I have it printed on my Dad's photo since he died last year. Yes he was saved.
Psalm 23
6Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.[/QUOTE]

 

[Stylez4Christ]

Stylez4Christ

'he may operate Demonic things that why I don‘t watch Benny Hinn'

I too agree here, I used to love watching him I even went to a Crusade when he came to were I live, but I was also taken in, what i have read, and one very bad thing which comes to mind really did it for me, so I don't watch any God TV now then I don't watch good or bad, best not to watch at all.


I have started once again, to attend a Pentecostal church, I left one, a few years back, because, it affected me so much I ended up in a Mental Hospital for 6 weeks, now that wasn't of the Lord, and we know Satan also can quote scripture.

all mostly fell on their face, or to their knees, NOT backward, as everyone seems to at these places were this happens, but it's in the Lord's hands who am I to judge, we will all know oneday, when it is all revealed to us.

The church Kevin Reeves went to was very extreme indeed, but then we do have to be careful too, not get mixed up in something that is not of the Lord. God forbid that, it also shows how we can get caught up in it and believe also it is of God.

I myself have experienced 'freedom in the spirit' at church and also experienced 'restriction' at another church, personally I prefer the 'freedom' to worship with Holy Hands unto Jesus, be able to 'clap' as the servant of God brings a message, or sings as unto the Lord, give the Lord the praise clap, so I know what the differance is, one seems tight, unjoyfull, sullen, afraid even to tap the hymn book nearly, a hat is deemed appropiate attire, (something which has been a enormas stumbling block for ages to me) how can there be joy and happiness like this if we are feeling 'bound'?

enough said, brother, appreciate your post, understand what your putting across..


This is my fav verse from that Psalm, I have it printed on my Dad's photo since he died last year. Yes he was saved.
Psalm 23
6Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

[/QUOTE]Yes, But I do believed in of falling down to the ground, but being mental can come from the enemy. But I don't believed in a mental illness because I believed is Satan that dose these things and I believed that operate some exorcism :embarasse

Anyways, why you want to a mental Hospital? And what Pentecostal denomination you want?

 

[Maureen]

Stylez4Christ
I didn't know there were differant denominations in the Pentecostal movement.
All I know it was a Pentecostal Church, it was called Elim if that helps.

I was forced into taking a Sunday School class, which I didn't feel I had the ability to do, also called to pray to open and close the Sunday School meeting, my friend who brought me starting speaking in tongues, I'd never heard that ever before, Paul was right when he says that to an unbeliever it may make them think the church is mad.

I was only saved less than a month, I was a babe in Christ, my goodness, I didn't even know about the armour of God, when I heard 2 discusing it one said imagine a 16yr old not knowing about he armour of God, well I was in my forties and didn't know.

I needed to grow, to be fed, taught, listen to the word expounded, not given these parts to do, which I was unequipped for, That's how I ended up in the Mental Hospital, it sent me mad. which wasn't of God, as he is not the author of confusion.

I am now back at a Pentecostal church, but a whole lot differant, isn't Elim, is Metropolitan if that's any help, but is a vast church, but I'm finding I love it, compared to where I have been going these past years after my Elim experience brother.

 

[LikeJesus]

Just some thoughts on this excellent subject.Everybody doesnt get slain in the spirit everytime an annointed pastor or prophet lays hands on them.And yes God can lay hands on you and you will get caught up in the spirit realm/slain without man touching you.Annointed servants of God can also speak blessings over you of healing an deliverance without laying hands.Lots of times,people who are young in the spiritual things of the Lord,will go up for one altar call after the other in hopes of getting a touch from God.And then an elder in the church will tell them something like,its time to come out of the prayer line,and start praying for other people now.And also,lots of people who are young in the Lord,think that if God will just touch them an slay them in the spirit,they want sin anymore lol.But God will lay you flat out,sometimes even give you words,visions,tongues,ect...and you will still sin an fall sometimes.But once saved your covered in the blood of the cross.I know alot of holier than thou types will disagree,and thats fine.Nobody was without sin but Jesus.And God wants us to ask him for souls and not self all the time.Its not works,or power,but by His spirit.Having said all that,I am a beleiver in holiness,and that people can overcome the flesh by Jesus blood,no matter how many chains and bondages they may have had before coming to Him.We go from glory to glory.Its a process of mountains an valleys.For every new level can be a new trial or devil.;o) God bless

 

[Maureen]

okay what about this then.
2 Christains true to the Lord Jesus Christ in their daily walk, always walking in his will, one goes to a church were they don't practice 'Slain in the Spirit' the other one doesn't, one experinces these happenings of being brought down in the Spirit, the other one doesn't, both good Christian people as I've said, on fire for Jesus, what's happening here then?
why is the second Christian's place of worship not experincing same charactoristics of the Spirit?

We all have the Holy Spirit within us, the kingdom of God within, so if that is why such a differance in there experiences?

 

[LikeJesus]

okay what about this then.
2 Christains true to the Lord Jesus Christ in their daily walk, always walking in his will, one goes to a church were they don't practice 'Slain in the Spirit' the other one doesn't, one experinces these happenings of being brought down in the Spirit, the other one doesn't, both good Christian people as I've said, on fire for Jesus, what's happening here then?
why is the second Christian's place of worship not experincing same charactoristics of the Spirit?

We all have the Holy Spirit within us, the kingdom of God within, so if that is why such a differance in there experiences?

Jesus said,Not all who say Lord,Lord,will enter into the kingdom.
I would not stay in a place where no signs,wonders,miracles,deliverences,.. took place.Just me.

 

[Word of Life]

If you have received Jesus as your savior, and have been baptized in the Holy Spirit. What is the purpose of going up to a prayer line week after week?

I can understand why people would go up to a prayer line, who have never heard of or have not yet accepted Jesus as their savior going up there, but week after week? But what is the purpose of this, are you not putting Jesus to the cross twice, 3 times or more when entering the prayer line, week after week.

I am trying to understand, why people would do this, when I don't see it, as being scriptural. Jesus also warned us about false christs (anointed ones) arising, but still I see and hear thousands of people wanting to continue with this, when I don't see it clearly written in our bibles. Why would people want to sacrifice their eternity, by following rules and rituals made by man? Jesus has given you the power to heal yourselves, Jesus has given you the power to rebuke satan, Jesus has given you the power of a sound mind, Jesus has given you knowledge and understanding.

Mat 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

When Jesus went around healing people he would say something like this, "your faith has healed you" When Jesus was casting/rebuking out demons from people, Jesus said just one word, "Go" He has given you that power.

Mat 8:32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

Mar 5:8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.

Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Act 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Act 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Act 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

Please just think about it, this is not been clearly written down in scripture, why would you want to even want to do this? And sacrifice your own eternity.

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Thank you Donald for your post.

I have come out of this lot of hogwash and I hope the Lord will use me to draw many more out of this false movement that is misleading millions of people and taking them directly to hell!!

I encourage you Donald, to keep speaking out and telling people about this false movement. People need to know the truth. The truth hurts. You will not be liked, because you don't follow the crowd.

Just remember it's a narrow gate and few will find it.

 

[willb]

I have never experienced this and have asked for it.

However i know a person in my church who is very commited to God and honest and he has experienced this. So i do think it could happen, some may be seeking it but the guy in my church did not believe in it when it happened (he avoided all spiritual gifts).

Lastly i want to say something i read in a book by RT Kendall - if we assume we know all God can do and is doing then we will miss what He is doing and will be doing. Who are we to assume to know the full mind of God that IMO is pride!. God will do as He pleases and will not pander to our wishes. He doesnt care about our comfort zones and has no interest at all of working within them. He is God we are His - not the other way around.

This is why i (try) to keep a open mind about what is happening in the kingdom. I will not box God according to my theology. Is this of God or is it not i dont know but i will not argue about it and tear others down (there is hints in this topic that those who believe in it are not saved that is deplorable and not at all in the spirit of God). The goal is unity. One body. So why argue about disputable matters?.

God bless.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

I have to disagree, because at my church we don’t always see people in the altar for prayer every Sundays or week after weeks !! Word of life?

 

[ushalk]

first of all there is no denomination. either we love and follow christ or we dont. the pentecostal deal is this they believe that they are the only people going to heaven because they a denomination that speaks the true word of god. false garbage just as many of the doctrines of todays world are. it is false.

now concering this slain in the spirit. i believe that i have been slayin in the spirit. but it sure wasnt the way that we see on the tv and in many of the other churches around. many of them show this violent reaction to this. but the holy spirit has shown me time after time and time again that he is a gentle, merciful, loving spirit.

i dont believe that the way that it is shown in these other churches are the right things. i just cant see the holy spirit violently shaking people and all that stuff. not to mention what again are the charactoristics of holy spirit? it seems that what the bible does say and what is being taught and shown are two different things.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

first of all there is no denomination. either we love and follow christ or we dont. the pentecostal deal is this they believe that they are the only people going to heaven because they a denomination that speaks the true word of god. false garbage just as many of the doctrines of todays world are. it is false.

now concering this slain in the spirit. i believe that i have been slayin in the spirit. but it sure wasnt the way that we see on the tv and in many of the other churches around. many of them show this violent reaction to this. but the holy spirit has shown me time after time and time again that he is a gentle, merciful, loving spirit.

i dont believe that the way that it is shown in these other churches are the right things. i just cant see the holy spirit violently shaking people and all that stuff. not to mention what again are the charactoristics of holy spirit? it seems that what the bible does say and what is being taught and shown are two different things.

Well what kind of Pentecostal denomination that claim that there the only one going to heaven because there’s different kinds of Pentecostals churches?
Plus I do agree about there is no denomination, but that’s just being said spiritually but they do exists physically because we hear them in title and see them.

People get slain in the spirit in many different ways, because God dose move in many different way because you can get slain in the spirit without falling down to the ground because of being filled with the holy spirit, same as dancing in the spirit is like being half slain why’ll praises of dances is a form of praise and worship by feeling the loving presence of God ..

 

[ushalk]

the united pentecostal church is what i was referring to. i have been having some serious issues with alot of the church denominations lately. they all seem to believe that if they have alot of worldly fun activities that they are leading people to christ. but the word states that "faith comes by hearing and hearing comes by the word of god." nowhere in the bible does it discuss the people will gain faith ny a bowling trip or ice cream socail. these are all great things to call them to church. but the churches are not doing salvation sermons or at least most of them are not doing that. there is no talk against sin or people die from sin.

yes the spirit moves through all of us in many different ways. but all this vilent head banging and falling to the floor violently shaking your body araound and what not. i just cant see where the holy spirit moves like that.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

the united pentecostal church is what i was referring to. i have been having some serious issues with alot of the church denominations lately. they all seem to believe that if they have alot of worldly fun activities that they are leading people to christ. but the word states that "faith comes by hearing and hearing comes by the word of god." nowhere in the bible does it discuss the people will gain faith ny a bowling trip or ice cream socail. these are all great things to call them to church. but the churches are not doing salvation sermons or at least most of them are not doing that. there is no talk against sin or people die from sin.

yes the spirit moves through all of us in many different ways. but all this vilent head banging and falling to the floor violently shaking your body araound and what not. i just cant see where the holy spirit moves like that.

United Pentecostal is a cult because they don’t believed in the trinity. I never been to a Pentecostal church where people jump off the wall or banging there head on the floor and I wonder if they get hurt from that? I've also never been to a Pentecostal church where people act like animal such as barking don't find biblical or luaghing about a very long time accpet that I do belived that we can laugh in the spirit because I see that is in the bible. But for me I don’t have a denomination but that is why I belong to a Non-Denominational or just Christian and with all theses denomination is like if you think the church is being separated?

I also shake or shook in movement by the presence of God Isaiah 64:1-3
and spin around that what I call being mainstream excited and may dance in the spirit too, who says you can’t get and full of joy and excited with God when he touch you, there nothing wrong on being excited of the power of God I believed is part of our praise too and I believed the holy spirit help us praising the Father..

And I do fall to the ground because when Jesus cast out that demon the processes person fall to the ground with no hurt ness and we do see that when there people fall when the usher is not there and they did not get hurt at all! God would not allowed his children to get hurt when he going to bless them why’ll receiving the power of God! Some people do it in the flesh because If the usher not there, going to have a problem hhehehehe lol, never try to fake it.
But I don’t believed is necessary to fall or collapse to the floor because that not the only thing that God do because God power is very powerful over Satan no wonder he is an idiot hehehehe lol , but we do have relationship which is very necessary and recommended if that person is saved or a born again Christ…

As for bringing people to the church, I agree with you 100% by that because that what the world or someone who walk in the fleesh do to attract people for club party or anything that has to do with by entertainment.That is why the bible says if you a friend of the world you’re the enemy of God and it is a very bad image over to some churches today. It is all about Jesus and it is about salvation to bring people to church.

Let me give a quote by Charles H. Spurgeon…

“When I have heard large congregations gathered together by music of fine choir, I have remembered that same thing is done at the opera house and the music hall, and I have felt no joy.”

-Charles H. Spurgeon..

You see that how some churches are, maybe like Benny Hinn because there is a reason why he has a such a big congregation I believed this is why some people left from there….

Here what the bible says, amen…
2 Timothy 4:2 (King James Version)
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

Acts 2:47 (New King James Version)
47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church[a] daily those who were being saved


Now, we need to witness and evangelize the community in order for the church to grow and then invite to church not entertainments, but never or nothing wrong having a Joyous time or having fun with God….

 

[ushalk]

the trinity thing they believe in the trinity but they do not believe in the word trinity. they fell that it is adding things to the bible. yes i do agree that they are a cult. the worse thing is they growing quite rapidly these days. they have a lot of truths about them but they teach baptism saves and never hear them say that christ saves.

do i feel there is speration in the church. as the true body of christ, no i do not. but on the same token i am seeing a lot of people falling away from the church. just as it talks about in the end times parts of the bible.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

the trinity thing they believe in the trinity but they do not believe in the word trinity. they fell that it is adding things to the bible. yes i do agree that they are a cult. the worse thing is they growing quite rapidly these days. they have a lot of truths about them but they teach baptism saves and never hear them say that christ saves.

do i feel there is speration in the church. as the true body of christ, no i do not. but on the same token i am seeing a lot of people falling away from the church. just as it talks about in the end times parts of the bible.

Oh, Ok... Yes, well United Pentecostal need 100% bible doctrine not half bible doctrine and half man made doctrine…

I have meet Pentecostal perhaps a United or oneness, they would tell me that being baptize is when you get save.
I maybe a non-denominational but I do sometimes attended this Spanish church is a Pentecostal, Pentecostal Church of God, love that church. Well they teach what roman 10:9 says to be save.

 

[ushalk]

romans 10:9 is written to a church that was already established. it is also telling the people to get off there bottoms and do the work of the lord. there is a huge significance in water baptism. but it done by the leading of the holy spirit. you see when it comes to baptism there is no waiting there is no taking a class with a passtor before it is done. these things are never found in the word of god. what you will find is that baptism is done as the holy spirit leads people. many were not even baptised with a crowd of people around. you see the whole baptism thing is false these days. mans teachings are taking over the world because people want what it talks about in
2 timothy 4:2-4.