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I'm not aware that Christ ever said anything like that. This is the closest that I know of and it carries a totally different thought than what you are suggesting. Is this the scripture you are thinking of?
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
You need to give us a bible reference. The Chapter and the verse that is on your mind in this matter. We will then be able to give you a better answer to your question
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no jesus did not say this litterally. i am refering to jesus stating " my god my god why hath thow forsaken me? "
what is so significant about these words as to why jesus asked his spirit to be taken up to the heavens. why did it hurt him so badly?
what is so significant about these words as to why jesus asked his spirit to be taken up to the heavens. why did it hurt him so badly?
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He never sinned. He took all the punishment for our sins on the cross when He died for us. It hurt to be separated from His Father.
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Yep that is correct. Which is why when God looks at us He sees us through Jesus. He cannot look at sin.
Why has Though Forsaken Me
Though He was in extreme pain, I just don't think that Jesus doubted our Father at all. I think that He was referring to Psalms 22, which begins with "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me", It is a passage that clearly outlines the suffering of Lord Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit brought forth the Old Testament, to the New Testament in many occasions. I guess we all know this. I think that Jesus is telling His Father that the pain is immense and reciting the passage that was directly connected to the moment of crucifixion. Read Psalms 22 and you will see what I mean. I think that Jesus stayed fast even in His affliction.
Psalm 22
For the director of music. To the tune of "The Doe of the Morning." A psalm of David.
1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from the words of my groaning?
2 O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, and am not silent.
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the praise of Israel.
4 In you our fathers put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 They cried to you and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not disappointed.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by men and despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads:
8 "He trusts in the LORD;
let the LORD rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him."
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you
even at my mother's breast.
10 From birth I was cast upon you;
from my mother's womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions tearing their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted away within me.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs have surrounded me;
a band of evil men has encircled me,
they have PIERCED MY HANDS AND FEET,.
17 I can count all my bones;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my garments among them
and cast lots for my clothing.
19 But you, O LORD, be not far off;
O my Strength, come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver my life from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
save [d] me from the horns of the wild oxen.
22 I will declare your name to my brothers;
in the congregation I will praise you.
23 You who fear the LORD, praise him!
All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or disdained
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.
25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
before those who fear you [e] will I fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
they who seek the LORD will praise him—
may your hearts live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the LORD,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the LORD
and he rules over the nations.
29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness
to a people yet unborn—
for he has done it.
See how much was spoken by Jesus when He said on the cross...
Matthew 27:46
6About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Was there a second of doubt in Jesus, or was He again upholding scripture?
I believe that He knew exactly what He was saying and that He was quoting the scriptural reference of Psalms. Does that make sense to you?
Anyway, Jesus sure had a bad day that day. Mocked, jeered by plentitudes, spit at kicked, whipped and so much more than we know. His suffering started long before He was nailed to the cross. He was made to feel like a worm and He took this all for a purpose. For you and I to be free one day and for you and I to have a home with our Father and Christ Jesus, our Hero and Saviour. He was rejected by all. Let us praise Him every day, to kinda make up for it. Okay? Praise You Lord Jesus Christ, You are my Brother and Friend and You have laughed and weeped for me and with me. Thank You so much Father for this great deliverance and for You Father, who keeps quiet and allows the Works of Your Son, to be displayed by all. Love You too Holy Spirit. Thank you for the counsel. Amenixie :rainbow:
Though He was in extreme pain, I just don't think that Jesus doubted our Father at all. I think that He was referring to Psalms 22, which begins with "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me", It is a passage that clearly outlines the suffering of Lord Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit brought forth the Old Testament, to the New Testament in many occasions. I guess we all know this. I think that Jesus is telling His Father that the pain is immense and reciting the passage that was directly connected to the moment of crucifixion. Read Psalms 22 and you will see what I mean. I think that Jesus stayed fast even in His affliction.
Psalm 22
For the director of music. To the tune of "The Doe of the Morning." A psalm of David.
1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from the words of my groaning?
2 O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, and am not silent.
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the praise of Israel.
4 In you our fathers put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 They cried to you and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not disappointed.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by men and despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads:
8 "He trusts in the LORD;
let the LORD rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him."
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you
even at my mother's breast.
10 From birth I was cast upon you;
from my mother's womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions tearing their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted away within me.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs have surrounded me;
a band of evil men has encircled me,
they have PIERCED MY HANDS AND FEET,.
17 I can count all my bones;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my garments among them
and cast lots for my clothing.
19 But you, O LORD, be not far off;
O my Strength, come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver my life from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
save [d] me from the horns of the wild oxen.
22 I will declare your name to my brothers;
in the congregation I will praise you.
23 You who fear the LORD, praise him!
All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or disdained
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.
25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
before those who fear you [e] will I fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
they who seek the LORD will praise him—
may your hearts live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the LORD,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the LORD
and he rules over the nations.
29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness
to a people yet unborn—
for he has done it.
See how much was spoken by Jesus when He said on the cross...
Matthew 27:46
6About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Was there a second of doubt in Jesus, or was He again upholding scripture?
I believe that He knew exactly what He was saying and that He was quoting the scriptural reference of Psalms. Does that make sense to you?
Anyway, Jesus sure had a bad day that day. Mocked, jeered by plentitudes, spit at kicked, whipped and so much more than we know. His suffering started long before He was nailed to the cross. He was made to feel like a worm and He took this all for a purpose. For you and I to be free one day and for you and I to have a home with our Father and Christ Jesus, our Hero and Saviour. He was rejected by all. Let us praise Him every day, to kinda make up for it. Okay? Praise You Lord Jesus Christ, You are my Brother and Friend and You have laughed and weeped for me and with me. Thank You so much Father for this great deliverance and for You Father, who keeps quiet and allows the Works of Your Son, to be displayed by all. Love You too Holy Spirit. Thank you for the counsel. Amen
ixie :rainbow:
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Hi Katie
Here you are;
Matt.27.
The Death of Jesus
45 At noon, darkness fell across the whole land until three o'clock. 46 At about three o'clock, Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"*
Question: "Why did Jesus say, 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?'"
Answer: “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46). Here, Jesus was expressing His feelings of abandonment as God placed the sins of the world on Him – and because of that had to “turn away” from Jesus. As Jesus was feeling that weight of sin, He was feeling separated from God for the only time in all of eternity. It was at this time that 2 Corinthians 5:21 occurred, “God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.” Jesus became sin for us, so He felt loneliness and abandonment - separation from God.
Recommended Resource: Why Believe in Jesus?: Who He Is, What He Did, and His Message for You Today by Tim LaHaye.
Hope this helps you.
God bless :rose: :rainbow:
Here you are;
Matt.27.
The Death of Jesus
45 At noon, darkness fell across the whole land until three o'clock. 46 At about three o'clock, Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"*
Question: "Why did Jesus say, 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?'"
Answer: “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46). Here, Jesus was expressing His feelings of abandonment as God placed the sins of the world on Him – and because of that had to “turn away” from Jesus. As Jesus was feeling that weight of sin, He was feeling separated from God for the only time in all of eternity. It was at this time that 2 Corinthians 5:21 occurred, “God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.” Jesus became sin for us, so He felt loneliness and abandonment - separation from God.
Recommended Resource: Why Believe in Jesus?: Who He Is, What He Did, and His Message for You Today by Tim LaHaye.
Hope this helps you.
God bless :rose: :rainbow:
pixie, jesus never doubted the father one bit. but god still had to turn away from him. that is what that prophecy from psalms is about. jesus was fullfilling the prophecy but not to refer back to it. but because god turned away from him. that is what the whole prophecy in psalms 22 is about. how jesus felt on the cross at the time that he felt the pain and anguish of his father not being able to comfort or look upon him and jesus could not look upon the father at that point in time. i am a little concerned about your answer that is an answer that has come from many theology schools. the word of god states that we cant pearn the word from man but only through revelation of jesus christ.
Hey Ushalk
I know you are right. I wasn't happy with what I wrote down, I couldn't seem to get the right message down. I read again, what I wrote. I still think though, that Jesus knew full well of the verse when He cried out the prophetic words, My God, My God. I can't imagine how hard it was for Him, to carry our sins and the burden of the cross, the mocking, the jeering and then to be separated from His Father, in whom He always placed His trust. He is my Brother, my Hero and I love Him deeply. The pain must have been incredible, just the pain of sin alone.
Yours in Christ and Amenixie
I know you are right. I wasn't happy with what I wrote down, I couldn't seem to get the right message down. I read again, what I wrote. I still think though, that Jesus knew full well of the verse when He cried out the prophetic words, My God, My God. I can't imagine how hard it was for Him, to carry our sins and the burden of the cross, the mocking, the jeering and then to be separated from His Father, in whom He always placed His trust. He is my Brother, my Hero and I love Him deeply. The pain must have been incredible, just the pain of sin alone.
Yours in Christ and Amen
ixie Hey Again Ushalk
By the way, I think with the Word. I am not too fond of theology mastery.
It was my own interpretation, but just worded badly. I love the Lord our God with all my heart and mostly my writing is inspired by His Spirit.
Anyway, take care and smile. The Lord loves your heart.Amenixie
By the way, I think with the Word. I am not too fond of theology mastery.
It was my own interpretation, but just worded badly. I love the Lord our God with all my heart and mostly my writing is inspired by His Spirit.
Anyway, take care and smile. The Lord loves your heart.Amen
ixieThe highlighted quote from the Bible is important as it stated that Jesus GAVE UP His Spirit. He didn't die like we would, He actually gave up His Spirit
I prepared this some time ago for something else and find it appropriate to post here as it fills into the subject.
"The Dread of Broken Fellowship With God"
'In the days of His flesh', we read of our Savior in Hebrews 5:7, 'He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety.' When did Jesus do this? In Gethsemane? On Calvary? What an amazing mystery! Perhaps it was in Gethsemane that our Lord Jesus was becoming sin for us. It would be difficult to explain His agony there -- so powerful it could wring blood from His pores -- without seeing His suffering in the background of severe spiritual warfare.
Clearly there was more going on in Gethsemane than the devoutest hearts have yet discovered. We know the servant is not above his master, yet we have heard the testimonies of His martyred saints who appear to have died more bravely (I speak as a fool) than our Lord Jesus. It cannot be! When our Lord Jesus recoiled from the cup in Gethsemane, He was not shrinking from suffering. No, a million times, No!
Jesus was dreading the unprecedented experience of broken fellowship with His holy Father, God. There was never a time before, in all of the long ages of Eternity Past, when Jesus was separated from God. This was to be a new experience for Him. He knew that the cup represented the separation from Father God that the punishment of sin both required and deserved. Oh, how His holy soul must have trembled at the thought of being forsaken by the Father.
This horror of separation from God is what we should shrink from as well. To be cut off from fellowship with God should be repulsive to our very being. We must not faint in the face of pain or death, but we must ever cower in horror at the possibility of severing our fellowship with Him. Thankful we are that our Lord Jesus drained that cup to its dregs! This awful cup was filled with snares, fire and brimstone, and burning wind [Psalm 11:6]. How different is the cup we are called upon to drink! He is the portion of our cup, which runs over on all sides at all times.
O Lord! Help us shrink back in holy dread from the sin that would separate us from even a moment's fellowship with You!
"The Dread of Broken Fellowship With God"
'In the days of His flesh', we read of our Savior in Hebrews 5:7, 'He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety.' When did Jesus do this? In Gethsemane? On Calvary? What an amazing mystery! Perhaps it was in Gethsemane that our Lord Jesus was becoming sin for us. It would be difficult to explain His agony there -- so powerful it could wring blood from His pores -- without seeing His suffering in the background of severe spiritual warfare.
Clearly there was more going on in Gethsemane than the devoutest hearts have yet discovered. We know the servant is not above his master, yet we have heard the testimonies of His martyred saints who appear to have died more bravely (I speak as a fool) than our Lord Jesus. It cannot be! When our Lord Jesus recoiled from the cup in Gethsemane, He was not shrinking from suffering. No, a million times, No!
Jesus was dreading the unprecedented experience of broken fellowship with His holy Father, God. There was never a time before, in all of the long ages of Eternity Past, when Jesus was separated from God. This was to be a new experience for Him. He knew that the cup represented the separation from Father God that the punishment of sin both required and deserved. Oh, how His holy soul must have trembled at the thought of being forsaken by the Father.
This horror of separation from God is what we should shrink from as well. To be cut off from fellowship with God should be repulsive to our very being. We must not faint in the face of pain or death, but we must ever cower in horror at the possibility of severing our fellowship with Him. Thankful we are that our Lord Jesus drained that cup to its dregs! This awful cup was filled with snares, fire and brimstone, and burning wind [Psalm 11:6]. How different is the cup we are called upon to drink! He is the portion of our cup, which runs over on all sides at all times.
O Lord! Help us shrink back in holy dread from the sin that would separate us from even a moment's fellowship with You!
