ARE THERE ARE TWO GOSPELS?

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

John the Baptist, Jesus, the Twelve, and Paul all proclaimed salvation through God's redemptive work.

I think you/we will find that throughout the Old Testament Scripture, also.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

@Richard Aberdeen

Greetings,

you will do well to hearken to @Christ4Ever and desist from adding links.


Bless you ....><>

 

[DougE]

Paul explicitly taught there is only one gospel. In Galatians 1:8-9 he pronounces a curse on anyone who preaches another gospel. If there were two legitimate gospels, Paul's warning makes no sense.

Paul was warning them not to receive another gospel other than his gospel
There were those preaching the law in addition to his gospel for salvation

 

[DougE]

Paul explicitly taught there is only one gospel. In Galatians 1:8-9 he pronounces a curse on anyone who preaches another gospel. If there were two legitimate gospels, Paul's warning makes no sense.

What do you say the gospel is

 

[KingJ]

Paul was warning them not to receive another gospel other than his gospel
There were those preaching the law in addition to his gospel for salvation

Doug, please put more effort into your replies. You are not addressing arguments raised.

 

[DougE]

Doug, please put more effort into your replies. You are not addressing arguments raised.

Please tell me what you say the gospel is

 

[Richard Aberdeen]

Doug, after thread after thread of isolated verses, manufactured contradictions, and conclusions that ignore the surrounding context, you are starting to look less like someone seeking truth and more like someone determined to force a system onto Scripture. The Bible repeatedly warns us to be careful with teachers who distort God's word (2 Peter 3:16), teach things contrary to sound doctrine (1 Timothy 1:3), or divide believers through speculative interpretations (Titus 3:9).

Please examine yourself carefully in light of these warnings. None of us should want to stand before God and discover that we handled His word carelessly or led others into error.

As for your claim, the fact that baptism is mentioned in one context and not emphasized in another does not create two gospels. By that logic, every time one biblical author mentions a detail another author does not, we would have multiple gospels.

Paul explicitly taught there is only one gospel. In Galatians 1:8-9 he pronounces a curse on anyone who preaches another gospel. If there were two legitimate gospels, Paul's warning makes no sense.

Your argument also ignores the fact that Paul himself baptized converts (1 Corinthians 1:14-16). Therefore, baptism cannot be what separates Paul's gospel from that of Jesus and the apostles.

The difference is not two gospels. The difference is emphasis. John the Baptist, Jesus, the Twelve, and Paul all proclaimed salvation through God's redemptive work. You are taking a ministry distinction and turning it into a gospel distinction, and the text simply does not support that conclusion.

Baptism is important because it is a public declaration that someone has decided to follow Jesus. However, it is not necessary to be saved. We know this because the thief on the cross who was saved by Jesus had no chance of being baptized. And again, we know this by what the Bible itself says, "whoever calls on the name of Jesus will be saved." The name of Jesus, Yeshua in Hebrew, is what matters. The Bible several times emphasizes the power of the name of Jesus, including people being healed by using his name and saved by using his name.

 

[DougE]

Baptism is important because it is a public declaration that someone has decided to follow Jesus.

There isnt scripture that says this

 

[Bill]

Please tell me what is the gospel?

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

A Gospel is an authenticated writing about Jesus. They were written by those who were there present with Jesus.

We refer to them as the Gospels, although the authors themselves obviously did not refer to it that way. But it was through those who followed the teachings of Jesus, and the words were passed on. Through the tradition of the early church, it was put into writing in those early years and finally when the printing press became available it was put into book form which became the Bible through the efforts of the monks that God called together to do that.

When we say that the Bible is written by Jesus. Or by God, it's actually written through the combination of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and those who received the instruction from the Holy Spirit.

We have to understand that just like the bringing together of the Bible, that mankind is a co-creator with God. No obviously we're not God, but God allows mankind to co-create with him. We see this evidence in children, in music, in literature, in scientific discoveries. And in all sorts of things. It's what makes us unique and it also makes the relationship that we have with God unique. Because God doesn't dictate to us, he shares with us and wants to become part of our lives and us to become part of his life. It's All About Love

 

[DougE]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

A Gospel is an authenticated writing about Jesus. They were written by those who were there present with Jesus.

We refer to them as the Gospels, although the authors themselves obviously did not refer to it that way. But it was through those who followed the teachings of Jesus, and the words were passed on. Through the tradition of the early church, it was put into writing in those early years and finally when the printing press became available it was put into book form which became the Bible through the efforts of the monks that God called together to do that.

When we say that the Bible is written by Jesus. Or by God, it's actually written through the combination of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and those who received the instruction from the Holy Spirit.

We have to understand that just like the bringing together of the Bible, that mankind is a co-creator with God. No obviously we're not God, but God allows mankind to co-create with him. We see this evidence in children, in music, in literature, in scientific discoveries. And in all sorts of things. It's what makes us unique and it also makes the relationship that we have with God unique. Because God doesn't dictate to us, he shares with us and wants to become part of our lives and us to become part of his life. It's All About Love

I was asking what is the gospel
What do we believe to saved unto eternal life

 

[KingJ]

Please tell me what you say the gospel is

Doug, I asked you to type better rebuttals and you create a one-liner rabbit trail.

Please try focus. Type a sound rebuttal to each argument raised in post # 15.

Your short one - liner replies belong on X. This is a discussion forum.

 

[KingJ]

There isnt scripture that says this

Doug, you have been given scripture that clearly supports what @Richard Aberdeen stated.

You truly seem unable to A. read, B. comprehend what you read, C. type sound rebuttals to support your borderline heretic opinions and D. accept and deal with being corrected before posting a new thread.

 

[DougE]

Doug, you have been given scripture that clearly supports what @Richard Aberdeen stated.

You truly seem unable to A. read, B. comprehend what you read, C. type sound rebuttals to support your borderline heretic opinions and D. accept and deal with being corrected before posting a new thread.

Please show me from Paul where the body of Christ is commanded this........."Baptism is important because it is a public declaration that someone has decided to follow Jesus."

 

[DougE]

Doug, I asked you to type better rebuttals and you create a one-liner rabbit trail.

Please try focus. Type a sound rebuttal to each argument raised in post # 15.

Your short one - liner replies belong on X. This is a discussion forum.

Asking you to elucidate the gospel is a "rabbit trail" ?
Too bad you havent given me the gospel you believe

 

[DougE]

borderline heretic opinions

Care to give an example

 

[KingJ]

@DougE Three posts from you and not one is an efforted reply. You don't deserve any reply until you show that you can properly read and reply to a post (Post 15....).

Even your OP lacks depth. Reading your threads is like being on X. I am guessing that you were looking for X and landed here by mistake?

 

[DougE]

Doug, after thread after thread of isolated verses, manufactured contradictions, and conclusions that ignore the surrounding context, you are starting to look less like someone seeking truth and more like someone determined to force a system onto Scripture. The Bible repeatedly warns us to be careful with teachers who distort God's word (2 Peter 3:16), teach things contrary to sound doctrine (1 Timothy 1:3), or divide believers through speculative interpretations (Titus 3:9).

Please examine yourself carefully in light of these warnings. None of us should want to stand before God and discover that we handled His word carelessly or led others into error.

I dont find it necessary to comment

As for your claim, the fact that baptism is mentioned in one context and not emphasized in another does not create two gospels. By that logic, every time one biblical author mentions a detail another author does not, we would have multiple gospels.

I find it significant that believing the gospel of the kingdom required baptism but Paul's gospel doesnt

Your argument also ignores the fact that Paul himself baptized converts (1 Corinthians 1:14-16). Therefore, baptism cannot be what separates Paul's gospel from that of Jesus and the apostles.

Paul's baptism arent pertinant

The difference is not two gospels. The difference is emphasis. John the Baptist, Jesus, the Twelve, and Paul all proclaimed salvation through God's redemptive work. You are taking a ministry distinction and turning it into a gospel distinction, and the text simply does not support that conclusion.

I have no idea what you mean by emphasis or anything here

 

[JunoTheServant]

The gospel is the good news. This came from the prophets, then the apostles testified that what the prophets wrote was indeed true. I saw some people saying there are 4 gospels in this thread. There is only one gospel. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are simply giving an account of their experience. Adam sinned against God and because of what he did all mankind was going to be cut off but Jesus came and salvage this creation. That's where salvation came from to salvage something that was ruined. When Jesus told his disciples to preach the gospel all they had were the writings of prophets from Genesis to Malachi. We now have the law and the testimony. The entire bible is teaching the gospel from Genesis to Revelation.

Revelation 19: 10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Mark 16: 14 - 15
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

 

[DougE]

The gospel is the good news. This came from the prophets, then the apostles testified that what the prophets wrote was indeed true. I saw some people saying there are 4 gospels in this thread. There is only one gospel. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are simply giving an account of their experience. Adam sinned against God and because of what he did all mankind was going to be cut off but Jesus came and salvage this creation. That's where salvation came from to salvage something that was ruined. When Jesus told his disciples to preach the gospel all they had were the writings of prophets from Genesis to Malachi. We now have the law and the testimony. The entire bible is teaching the gospel from Genesis to Revelation.

Revelation 19: 10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Mark 16: 14 - 15
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Our Gospel is found in Paul's epistles

THE GOSPEL​

 

[JunoTheServant]

Our Gospel is found in Paul's epistles

THE GOSPEL​

Yea I realized by reading your post that you are not a Christian. Most people just stay in Paul's writing because they think Paul is teaching against God's 10 commandments. I serve the most high God. My gospel is found in the entire bible and Paul also wrote concerning this.

2 Peter 3: 15 - 16
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The entire bible is the gospel and everyone wrote concerning the suffering of the savior including Paul, so how is your gospel only found in Paul's epistles? Everything Paul wrote was written by the prophets first. Pick up your bible and start reading it.

1 Corinthians 1: 13
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?