So then no apology from you, eh?
You scold me for misrepresenting you when I didn't (and proved it), and when I politely point out that the evil I was talking about was a TRANSLATION of 2nd Tim. 3:16, you dig in your heels to insult me again.
Interesting.
Look at the squirrelly logic here. You claim that I don't know Greek because I don't arrive at the same belief as you do when I read the Greek text. But you
don't know Greek and can't even admit that you never even took a single course. So maybe your translations
are leading you astray.
My belief is that if you DID learn Greek (YOU)... then you would see just how badly your translations have misinformed you, ... causing you to believe something that really
isn't written.
I think that blindly trusting any translation is a dumb choice, but then you need to understand who you believe and why. I can't make you smarter.
The Disciples followed Jesus for 40 days AFTER he died (and rose from the dead).
And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
- Matthew 28:7 KJV
Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
- Matthew 28:10 KJV
And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
- Mark 16:6-7 KJV
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
- Luke 24:44-45 KJV
The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
- Acts 1:1-3 KJV
Yet if I understand you correctly, everything that Jesus taught pertaining to the Kingdom of God (The Gospel that Jesus preached) became invalid at His crucifixion. Yet Jesus continued to preach it.
!!!
Why would Jesus spend 40 days between his resurrection and his ascension speaking to the Apostles that He chose, of things pertaining to the Kingdom of God - if (as you've claimed) all of it was dispensed with - invalid - useless - dare I say worthless?
Look sir, I am just THUNDERSTRUCK that you believe Paul had to teach the Twelve the Gospel. Because there's no scripture whatsoever to support this. Actually, there IS scripture to refute this:
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
- Galatians 1:15-19 KJV
If by Paul's own account, he never saw the Apostles (save Peter and James), how could Paul teach them anything? He
did meet with the church leaders in Acts 15, but that only dealt with whether Gentiles had to be circumcised or not. And then Paul went away.
I don't know where you learned all that stuff from, but it would do you a GREAT service to fix your understanding. OR... show me the scripture that supports your claims.
Your accusation is because I believe Jesus choose Paul so you should listen to Paul when is is in Scripture, You are not actually accusing yourself and calling Jesus a liar
And I see you calling Jesus a liar when you say that the Gospel preached by Jesus was replaced by the Gospel preached by Paul.
Do you believe that every Sermon you hear from any pastor or minister is inerrant? I don't. And I see Paul as a minister... right up until the time when he changed the Gospel of Jesus and crossed the line.
God doesn't blind people. God heals the blind. That's why God sent Ananias to heal Paul's blindness. So what exactly happened to Paul in the dessert on the way to Damascus?
And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
- Acts 9:3-5 KJV
Now there truly are problems with this translation. The word "Lord" occurs only once in the accepted Greek text, but is written twice in the KJV. (I coloured them red.) Take a look at the NRSV -
He asked, "Who are you, Lord?" The reply came, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.
- Acts 9:5 NRSV
Now when one understands that the Greek word
κύριος is the same thing as the English word "Sir," one then reads -
He asked, "Who are you, Sir?" The reply came, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting."
- Acts 9:5
Paul was met by an angel of light that called itself Jesus. Paul was out doing the devil's work, and the devil had reason to interrupt him and blind him.
THEN GOD STEPPED IN.
And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
- Acts 9:10-12 KJV
Now the three day time frame is
VERY interesting, but for a later discussion. But probably much to your surprise (because you assumed a LOT about what I believe without finding out). God did send Ananias to heal Paul's blindness that the devil caused. Why? Paul was praying to God, calling upon the name of YHWH. (That's how Jews pray.)
So what to make of this part of the account?
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
- Acts 9:15-16 KJV
Again, to your surprise, I believe this - that God did indeed select Paul to "bear His name" before Gentiles and kings and Jews... RIGHT UP UNTIL the time when Paul started to Preach a Gospel that contradicted the Gospel of Jesus, and claim Old Testament prophecies for himself.
Now you may need to actually answer this question - Why in heaven would Jesus teach Paul a different Gospel than the one He taught His disciples during His ministry on Earth including the 40 days
AFTER he died and rose again?
As I've already said, the sermon in Acts 13 by Paul is EXACTLY the same Gospel that Jesus taught, the same to which Peter testified in Acts 2.
Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
- Acts 13:38 KJV
The Gospel that Jesus preached didn't
change because Jesus was crucified and resurrected. The resurrection of Christ PROVED that the Gospel He preached was true; that Jesus taught how to have one's sins forgiven.
But down the road, something changed inside Paul so that he changed what he preached and started to deny the Gospel preached by Jesus, becoming apostate. I know what that is, but you are waayyy not ready for that revelation.
The bottom line is that it's very clear that you teach against the Gospel that the Father sent His Son to preach. (You're not the only one. Most all Christians have a veil upon their understanding.)
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
- Mark 1:14-15 KJV
If Jesus came preaching the Gospel, then the Gospel is what Jesus preached.
I get it. You disagree and have been very vocal speaking out against the Gospel that Jesus preached, saying the He changed it.
Jesus is the Good news, Jesus taught himself
Jesus taught himself? WHAT ????
May I kindly suggest that you proofread what you post. Should I now actually put words in your mouth? Because I'm pretty sure that you meant to write "Jesus taught
this himself." Because Jesus was taught by the Father.
Of course Jesus is the Good news. That's what the word Gospel means. So Mark 1:14 says, "Jesus came ... preaching the GOOD NEWS."
And the GOOD NEWS is everything that Jesus preached. (This isn't rocket science.)
Paul taught the Gospel of the Grace of God in the time of the gentiles which you reject and don't understand, It is about Gods love for us and how Jesus died on the cross to save us from our sins and rose from the grave so we can become children of God and spend eternity in heaven with him
Yes, Paul changed the Gospel that Jesus preached sometime in the latter part of his ministry.
But Jesus had FORTY DAYS after his resurrection to teach his Apostles your "time of the Gentiles" Gospel. And He didn't.
There is not one Gospel for Gentiles and a separate Gospel for Jews. I hate to sound like
@The Gospel of Christ, but you really are preaching a Scofield Two Gospel Heresy - a belief that did not exist until a little over a hundred years ago.
ONE Gospel. Neither Jew nor Gentile. The Gospel that the Father sent Jesus to preach. (Again, not rocket science.)
So the question is WHERE did
Jesus say that he was going to die on the cross to save you from your sins? It would seen that no Christian can answer this question. And I find that perplexing.
Please, I beg you. Show me. (ANY scripture from Matthew, Mark, Luke, and even John).
Paul taught the Gospel of the Grace of God in the time of the gentiles which you reject and don't understand,
Oh I understand it. I just know that Jesus never taught that.
And Jesus is my Messiah and Lord and Teacher. But in saying "Paul taught," then your teacher is Paul.
But you, do not be called 'Rabbi' (pastor); for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.
- Matthew 23:8-10 NKJV
I know who my teacher is, and I know what He taught.
His name is Jesus the Christ and He taught the Good News. Starting in Mark.
and saying him dying on the cross was just to shut him up.
You gotta do better when reading, kind sir. I said the Jews killed him to shut him up. They tortured Him so that he would recant the Gospel that He taught. He did not. Jesus went to His death preaching the True Gospel, and since He died preaching that TRUTH, God raised Him from the Dead, so that all who believe would teach that same Gospel. (Not a different one.)
so lets deal with the fact if you reject Pauls message the church is to consider you cursed Galatians 1:8
Yes, the Devil and his preachers love to Curse people. See what Paul has done to you?
"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
- Matthew 5:43-45 NKJV
So in obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ, I bless you.
Be blessed,
Rhema