Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

[Daniel L.]

The only way to the Father is through Jesus, so my Dog will also have to go through Him too?

Yes, thanks to the Spirit of Messiah, the Truth, and to the knowledge of the LORD

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

-There is a covenant of peace made with the animals:

Hosea 2:18 And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.

23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

Job 5:23 For thou shalt be in league with the stones of the field: and the beasts of the field shall be at peace with thee.

-Every creature must worship Him:

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Psalm 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord.

 

[Waggles]

I am still going to eat meats and enjoy it.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Yes, thanks to the Spirit of Messiah, the Truth, and to the knowledge of the LORD

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

-There is a covenant of peace made with the animals:

Hosea 2:18 And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.

23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

Job 5:23 For thou shalt be in league with the stones of the field: and the beasts of the field shall be at peace with thee.

-Every creature must worship Him:

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Psalm 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord.

Hmmm! I don't think my Dog knows how to praise the Lord.
But I do think she will be in Heaven along with all my other pets before her, because I will them to be!!!

What about fish?
Snakes?
Rats?
And the list goes on ?

 

[Sue D.]

Well according to God's Word. In order for a person to enter thr kingdom of God they must accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. An animal has no method of communicating their desire to do that. People accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. No where in scripture is there an animal doing that.

Animals die and that is their end.

Man was created in the image and likeness of God. The animal world was not.

People.are the church / the bride of Christ.

People can use God's Word out of context all they want and try to have it say things it isn't meant to say and they will answer to God for that.

 

[Waggles]

Genesis 9:2 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea.
Into your hand they are delivered.
9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

 

[Waggles]

2Peter 2:12 But these, as creatures without reason, born mere animals for capture and corruption, railing in matters whereof they are ignorant, shall in their corruption also be corrupted,

 

[Daniel L.]

I am still going to eat meats and enjoy it.

You enjoy to partake of body of death? -The proverb is True: All who hate Wisdom love death.

Hmmm! I don't think my Dog knows how to praise the Lord.

You don't think? What does Scripture thinks?

Psalm 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord.

What about fish?
Snakes?
Rats?
And the list goes on ?

You have read it, "every creature", "every thing that hath breath".

An animal has no method of communicating their desire to do that.

Animals, do communicate. And God surelly understands their language. So, any animal can pray to God, in their own language. Especially when they are taken captive by the humans, their brothers. Same way, humans turn to God in their time of affliction. So, animals can communicate, and have their own way of doing that, their own language. The birds sing, the lion roars, the dog woofs, and the cat meows. And God knows exactly what each one is saying.

No where in scripture is there an animal doing that.

"An animal" in singular maybe not, but all the animals surelly are:

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.

Are you a moving thing that lives?

 

[Waggles]

Psalm 8:4 what is man that you are mindful of him, and the son of man that you care for him?
5 Yet you have made him a little lower than the heavenly beings and crowned him with glory and honour.
6 You have given him dominion over the works of your hands; you have put all things under his feet,
7 all sheep and oxen, and also the beasts of the field,
8 the birds of the heavens, and the fish of the sea, whatever passes along the paths of the seas.

 

[Waggles]

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

 

[Daniel L.]

You have given him dominion over the works of your hands; you have put all things under his feet,
7 all sheep and oxen, and also the beasts of the field,
8 the birds of the heavens, and the fish of the sea, whatever passes along the paths of the seas.

Just because you have dominion over the animals, doesn't mean you can kill them. You also have dominon over your children, and you can't kill them based on that. Dominion is not a clearance for murder.

God created man in his own image

This is another reason not to kill your brothers, for God is not a murderer. Nor is He the Father of murderers.

 

[Sue D.]

I don't see my self as a parent having dominion over my children. I'm their parent and a disciplinarian and a boundary setter as needed. And that's a lot different than Adam bring given dominion over all the animals.



Nothing in God's Word makes us family with the animal world. And it's not murder to kill animals. We go fishing to catch fish to eat. The same with chickens , turkeys, pigs ,.cattle. Deere and rabbit.

Murder is when one person kills another person. It's against the law and people are out in prison or executed.

I'd you want to be a vegetarian go ahead. But it won't be because of Bible teaching.

 

[Waggles]

Genesis 9:5 And for your lifeblood I will require a reckoning: from every beast I will require it and from man. From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man.
6 “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.

There is no capital punishment for taking the life of an animal only for the homicide of another human being.

 

[Waggles]

Numbers 35:11 then you shall select cities to be cities of refuge for you, that the manslayer who kills any person without intent may flee there.
35:30 “If anyone kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death on the evidence of witnesses. But no person shall be put to death on the testimony of one witness.

There are no cities of refuge for persons killing animals nor any Law pertaining to a life for a life in regard to killing animals.

 

[GodB4Us]

I don't see my self as a parent having dominion over my children. I'm their parent and a disciplinarian and a boundary setter as needed. And that's a lot different than Adam bring given dominion over all the animals.



Nothing in God's Word makes us family with the animal world. And it's not murder to kill animals. We go fishing to catch fish to eat. The same with chickens , turkeys, pigs ,.cattle. Deere and rabbit.

Murder is when one person kills another person. It's against the law and people are out in prison or executed.

I'd you want to be a vegetarian go ahead. But it won't be because of Bible teaching.

There is a whole chapter on the subject of eating meat and even a warning for those believers that have no problem eating meat in respect to those that are weak in faith that believes it is wrong to eat meat for why those who eat meat should not despise those that do not eat meat and vise versa.

Romans 14:1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. 16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. 20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. 21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. 22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

As long as both sides of the issue are not despising each other, & respect the other by not eating meat in their presence, then they are both in the clear with the Lord.

 

[Daniel L.]

I don't see my self as a parent having dominion over my children.

Ok, then you should improve on that. Anyways, let's say you have a pet dog or cat. You have dominion over you pet, and you can't kill them based on that. Just because you have dominion over something, doesn't mean you can break the Law. A boss has dominion over his employes, and he can't kill them based on that. Killing is simply unlawful.

And that's a lot different than Adam bring given dominion over all the animals.

No, Adam had dominion over the animals, same way you do. And Adam wasn't allowed to kill them, same way you aren't allowed to kill them. It is exactly the same.

Nothing in God's Word makes us family with the animal world.

We have the same Father, that means we are brothers with the animals, family. The Father of Adam, is the same as the Father of the animals, they have the same Father, He created them both. Both are dust, both are the work of His Hands.

Jeremiah 32:27 Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Isaiah 64:8 But now, O Lord, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

And it's not murder to kill animals.

It is unlawful to kill your brothers:

1 John 3:5 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

We go fishing to catch fish to eat. The same with chickens , turkeys, pigs ,.cattle. Deere and rabbit.

Until the day: the hunter will be hunted, the killer will be killed and the eater will be eaten.

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Isaiah 33:1 Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee.

I'd you want to be a vegetarian go ahead. But it won't be because of Bible teaching.

You may not believe me, but know this, and be assured: that it is only because of Christ that I abstain from the body of death. I renouced to be a partaker of the table of devils, and the cutting of flesh by the sword, and the shedding of innocent blood. All because of Christ, His Truth, His Way, and His Life.

 

[Daniel L.]

There is no capital punishment for taking the life of an animal

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]

As long as both sides of the issue are not despising each other, & respect the other by not eating meat in their presence, then they are both in the clear with the Lord.

Do you think the wedding of the Lamb has two tabbles? A table to eat the body of death, and another for those who eat the Bread of Life?

Is Christ divided? Does the wedding of the Lamb requires two rooms? So people don't eat in the presence of one another?

 

[GodB4Us]

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]

Do you think the wedding of the Lamb has two tabbles? A table to eat the body of death, and another for those who eat the Bread of Life?

Is Christ divided? Does the wedding of the Lamb requires two rooms? So people don't eat in the presence of one another?

You are taking both of those references out of context.

Exodus 20:13 is about murder.

You cannot apply that to animals when God commanded the sacrifice of lambs for the Passover as well as goats and bulls for the sacrifice for sins at the Temple.

Isaiah 66:3 is giving a metaphor for how Jews were delighting in living in sin in how & why God saw their sacrifices as sin also.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. 4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

 

[Daniel L.]

You cannot apply that to animals when God commanded the sacrifice of lambs

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

metaphor

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]

 

[Sue D.]

@Daniel L. -- you do a good job of taking passages out of their intended context and using them to 'prove' your stand of all animals being on the same level of people.

And, yes, God Did bring every thing in this world into existence. But, as had been presented in scripture , mankind has been created in the image of God. Thst can only be said of human beings -- not the animal world.

Let's see what other things in this world are living.. how about trees. They get chopped down to provide fire wood to keep us warm and to cook with as well as build houses. And altars to offer animal sacrifices as per the Old Testament. In the New Testament , Jesus Christ was the perfect Lamb of God.

And the cross was of wood that was once a living tree.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man

And naturally like all heretics you COMPLETELY IGNORE the CONTEXT of the "Snippit" you use to support your phony argument.

Animals have ALWAYS been "food items" biblically, and no amount of verbal hocus-pocus makes them anything else. Personally I LOVE animals - some of 'em are delicious.