Trinity

[Squeakybro]

TRINITY EVIDENCE FALSE
Everything that the trinitarians claims makes Jesus God is misunderstood by them. Trinitarians have tried to form a belief on circumstantial verses, not factual verses. And they base their belief on principles that are not even in the Word of God. A Believer bases all their beliefs on what is written, not on what is not written.

Matt 20:22-23
22 But Jesus answered and said, "You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?" They said to Him, "We are able."
23 So He said to them, "You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father."

Matt 23:23-24
23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.
24 "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

Gal 1:6-8
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,
7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
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Circumstantial Verses
Circumstantial verses are verses that can be used either way. As in this one,(My Lord and my God) The word and can be used to separate Lord and God, it can also be used to bring them together as one. Now as John was addressing Jesus at this point John knew and believed that God was also in Jesus. So in his attempt to address them both he was addressing "My Lord Jesus Christ, and also my God the Father that dwells in You.

John 20:28
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
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Factual Verses
In the factual verses, they can only be taken one way, with no variations. So the carnal mind has to pervert the factual verses in order to believe the circumstantial verses. The factual verses explain the circumstantial verses. As in this one, "One God the Father". The Father is the one God. But if you read one you see there is also one Lord Jesus Christ, which explains why John said it the way he did.

John 17:1-3

1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
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THE DIVINITY(DEITY) OF CHRIST
We can have the same divine nature that Jesus had. God working through us.

Acts 17:29-30
29 "Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising.
30 "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
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2 Pet 1:4
4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

ONLY GOD CAN BE WORSHIPPED (WE CAN AND WILL BE WORSHIPPED)
Rev 3:9
9 "Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie-- indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.

THREE IN ONE GOD, ONE GOD IN THREE
Everything that separates trinitarians from Christians comes from out side of the scriptures. Trintiy, deity, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.
Eph 4:6
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.


The apostles even said. Yet for us there is one God the Father.
Christians believe there is one God the Father.
Trinitarians always start with questions, this is how they deceive.
2 Tim 2:23
23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
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THE 'ARE ONE' DELUSION
WE ARE ONE WITH CHRIST AND GOD AND HOLY SPIRIT
IF JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE OF THE ONENESS-THEN WE ARE GOD. NOT SO!
John 10:30
30 "I and My Father are one."
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John 17:22
22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
I Jn 5:7-8
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
1 Cor 12:12-14
12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-- whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free-- and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.
1 Cor 10:16-17
16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
17 For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
1 Cor 3:7-11
7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.
8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, you are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it.
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Rom 12:5
5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.
John 17:20-23
20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
21 "that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
23 "I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
John 10:29-30
29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
30 "I and My Father are one."
Eph 4:4-6
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Cor 6:17
17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
Matt 10:32-33
32 "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven.
33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
1 Cor 11:1
1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
2 Cor 10:4-5
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
1 Cor 11:3
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
Rom 16:25-27
25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
26 but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith--
27 to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen.
1 Cor 1:10
10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
Phil 3:16
16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
2 Cor 4:13-14
13 And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, "I believed and therefore I spoke," we also believe and therefore speak,
14 knowing that He who raised up the Lord Jesus will also raise us up with Jesus, and will present us with you.
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xxOneness is all about agreement. John 17-22 Jesus prayed that we may be one the same way that Jesus and God are one. Jesus submitted to every Word of God that shows His agreement. We are to submit to every Word of God to show our agreement.
Jesus prayed John 17-22 that we "are one" with Jesus and God the Father. And that doesnt make us God any more than it made Jesus God to be one with God.

THE I AM DELUSION
John 7:39-43
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.
41 Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
43 So there was a division among the people because of him.
John 7:51-52
51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?
52 They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.
John 8:1-2
1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
John 8:12
12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8:16-18
16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John 8:21
21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
John 8:23-24
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 8:28-29
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
John 8:58-59
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
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xxx Jesus was teaching in the temple and they were questioning Him on whether or not He was the Christ. Then they all went home and came back the next day to question Him some more. When Jesus told them: you will die in your sins if you do not believe that I am He. Then in verse 58 Jesus was telling them that even before Abraham that I am . But they picked up stones to throw at Him so they cut Jesus off in the middle of His sentance and Jesus got out of there. Jesus was claiming that" I AM He" the Christ. Jesus was not claiming He was God.
verse 24 and 28 Jesus said it, I am he. Jesus was saying He was the Christ that they were speaking of in John 7-41. But in is obvious why they didnt understand from John 7-39 they havent received the Holy Spirit yet. And even today many do not know the Spirit and get deceived in the verses.

Only People Who Worship In The Flesh Believe Jesus Is God
On Ro 9
Paul is talking about having great sorrow and grief over those who worship in the flesh.According to the flesh he could even wish he were cut off from Christ. Because those who worship in the flesh believe that Christ came and that Christ is the eternally blessed God.But as Paul says they are not all Israel who are from Israel nor are they children of Abraham seed. Those who worship in the flesh and believe this are not children of God.
Rom 9:1-8
1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.
3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh,
4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises;
5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,
7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called."
8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
Luke 16:15
15 And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

I Jn 4:14-15
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.
15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
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xxx The only trinity in the Word of God is the dragon, devil,satan.

Rev 12:9
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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Because the Holy Spirit only quotes verses, He will never be able to teach the trinity doctrine.

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
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John 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
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xxxThe devil is a deity. This is the definition of the devil and satan in strongs dictionary.

4567 Satanas (sat-an-as');

of Aramaic origin corresponding to 4566 (with the definite affix); the accuser, i.e. the devil:

KJV-- Satan.

1140 daimonion (dahee-mon'-ee-on);

neuter of a derivative of 1142; a daemonic being; by extension a deity:

KJV-- devil, god.

xxx The only three in one trinity in the bible is the dragon, devil, satan.

2 Cor 11:14-15
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
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II Th 2:4
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
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Rev 20:2
2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
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[Squeakybro]

Trinitarians Say LORD, Lord

1 Cor 4:5-6
5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one's praise will come from God.
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
Rev 22:16-19
16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Matt 25:1-12
1 "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
2 "Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 "Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,
4 "but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 "But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
6 "And at midnight a cry was heard: 'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!'
7 "Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
8 "And the foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
9 "But the wise answered, saying, 'No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.'
10 "And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.
11 "Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!'
12 "But he answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'
Matt 7:22-29
22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
24 "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:
25 "and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
26 "Now everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand:
27 "and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."
28 And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching,
29 for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
James 2:17-26
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-- and tremble!
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God.
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James 3:1-18
1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.
3 Indeed, we put bits in horses' mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body.
4 Look also at ships: although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires.
5 Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire kindles!
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell.
7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind.
8 But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so.
11 Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening?
12 Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring can yield both salt water and fresh.
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom.
14 But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth.
15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic.
16 For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
Gal 5:15-18
15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Gal 5:24-26
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
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xxx Trinitarians say LORD, Lord.And stand on faith alone for their salvation. None trinitarians say LORD, Lord. And stand on their works to prove their faith. Trinitarians say that Jesus is LORD God. None trinitarians say that Jesus is Lord the Son of God. And not God, that there is only one God the Father. Jesus said the Father is the only true God, Paul said there is only one God for us the Father.

 

[Squeakybro]

I'm sorry but we do disagree. Anyone who believes in the rules of believing CANNOT believe in the trinity.

1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
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Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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xxx Every Trinitarian is saying Jesus lied. And Paul lied. Jesus said the Father is the only true God. Paul said yet for us there is one God the Father.

John 17:1-3
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
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1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)
The only three in one trinity god in the whole bible is satan, the devil , the dragon. Satan is using ignorant Christians to mock God.

Rev 20:2
2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
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xxx The only three in one trinity in the whole bible is dragon, devil, and satan.

 

[Waggles]

I'm sorry but we do disagree. Anyone who believes in the rules of believing CANNOT believe in the trinity.

But as a Pentecostal Christian I actually experience the Trinity.

 

[Squeakybro]

But as a Pentecostal Christian I actually experience the Trinity.

Which oneThe make believe one or the real one.

KJV-- Satan.

1140 daimonion (dahee-mon'-ee-on);

neuter of a derivative of 1142; a daemonic being; by extension a deity:

KJV-- devil, god.

xxx The only three in one trinity in the bible is the dragon, devil, satan.

2 Cor 11:14-15
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
(NKJ)

II Th 2:4
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
(NKJ)

Rev 20:2
2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
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[Waggles]

The real one.

 

[Squeakybro]

The real one.

xxx The only three in one trinity in the bible is the dragon, devil, satan.

 

[Waggles]

xxx The only three in one trinity in the bible is the dragon, devil, satan.

 

[Squeakybro]

xxx A true believer is not allowed to think beyond what is written in the new testament. And they are not allowed to add one word to the verses or take one word away from the verses. And the word trinity is not in the bible no where. And God the Son is not in the bible no where.

1co 4-6
Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
Rev 22-18
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

xxx And Jesus told us Himself that the Father is God, and that we have never heard Gods voice nor seen His form. But we heard Jesus speak.And we seen His form.

John 5-37
"And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.

John 20-17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

[1Co 8:6 NKJV] 6 yet for us [there is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom [are] all things, and through whom we [live].

 

[Squeakybro]

ONLY ONE GOD THE FATHER-ONLY ONE Lord JESUS CHRIST
JESUS IS NOT GOD
John 17:3
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
1 Cor 8:5-7
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
7 However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.
Acts 17:24-25
24 "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.
25 "Nor is He worshiped with men's hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
John 4:23-24
23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
1 Pet 4:19
19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator.
1 Cor 11:27
27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
I Jn 2:4
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
I Jn 2:3
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
I Jn 4:2-3
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
I Jn 4:12-15
12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.
13 By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.
15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
I Jn 5:20
20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
I Jn 5:12-13
12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
Col 1:15-16
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

xxx Jesus is very specific about revealing who God really is. And if you dont know who Jesus really is, how will you ever find out who God the Father really is? To confess means to agree fully. So to confess that Jesus came in the flesh, and that Jesus is the Son of God. One has to question those that say God came in the flesh, and Jesus is God. Because they do not agree fully that it was Jesus instead of God. Now God was manifested(made known) to us by Jesus, that God was with Him.


I Jn 5:5
5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Matt 11:27
27 "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
(NKJ)

Go To God The Father Created Everything

 

[Shaolin]

SB is on his way out...I can see it coming...

 

[Squeakybro]

SB is on his way out...I can see it coming...

lol That looks like a prophecy from satan.

 

[Shaolin]

1. The titles and names addressing Jesus Christ


(I) The Son of God:


John 3:18
Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 19:6-8
When the chief priests and the officers saw Jesus, they cried out, "Crucify Him, crucify Him!" Pilate said to them, "Take Him yourselves and crucify Him, for I find no guilt in Him." The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and according to that law He ought to die because He has made Himself the Son of God." When Pilate heard this statement, he was even more afraid.

John 20:31
but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name.

1 John 4:15
Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.


The title “the Son of God,” because it carried with it in the Jewish mind a meaning that we today are generally ignorant of. The reason why the Jews were repeatedly thrown into a killing frenzy every time Jesus called Himself “the Son of God” is because Jews considered themselves the children of God by right – but Jesus called Himself “THE” Son of God (o UioV tou Qeou), which implies special significance. The claim to be “THE Son of God” directly implies uniqueness and equality with Yahweh God.

Jesus was not “a” son of God through faith and obedience like human beings can be, He was “the” Son of God as to His origin. He was not the Son of God because He was a “descendant” of God, or was God’s posterity – but because He shared the same divine nature of God. Furthermore, the phrase “son of” followed by the Genitive, implies quality, nature, and character (for example, “sons of disobedience,” “sons of thunder,” etc.), from something which one partakes of. In this case, telling us that Jesus has the same nature, quality, and character of God in every way, because He “partakes” of the nature, quality, and character of God, what Paul later says carries “the fullness of God.”

As the one and only unique Son of God, Jesus also made a distinction between Himself and His disciples, such as in John 20:17 where He makes the distinction between “My Father and your Father, to My God and to your God.” It is the one and same Father God to whom He obviously refers to, but the distinction follows upon their natures; He originates directly from the same essence and nature of deity clothed in humanity, while they originate strictly from human nature. This Hebrew parallelism is enunciated upon by Paul as to Christ’s human and divine nature in his opening statement to the Romans:


Romans 1:3-4
concerning His Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by His resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,


Paul affirms that Jesus, the man, came according to the flesh and line of King David, and yet at the same time, is the Messiah (Christ), the Son of God sharing the nature of God according to the Spirit that fully dwelt within Him (which no mere human being has ever had – the fullness of the Holy Spirit of God...because we couldn’t handle it as mere human beings). John attests to this in his gospel:


John 3:34*
He Whom God has sent speaks the words of God; because God gave Him the fullness of the Spirit.


No mere human being could ever receive the fullness of the Holy Spirit into himself, we are only given a portion of the Spirit; but Jesus had the fullness of the Spirit because He was able to receive it. This fact also speaks of His deity and equality with the Father.

Furthermore, John assigns the title “Son of God” not because of His virgin, miraculous birth, but based upon His equality with God, as Yahweh God in the flesh. Beginning with verse 1 in stating that the Word was God incarnate in a human being, and that He was the Creator of the universe (specifically – “all things were made by Him”)...not God, but the Word. Verse 14 tells us yet again, reaffirming verses 1-3, that “the Word became flesh” (ginomai – entering into a change of state of being from another state of being)...


John 1:14*
And the Word came into bodily existence in a change of state of being, and He dwelled among us (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the one and only Son of the Father), full of loving-kindness and truth.


John says, “the Word,” making a direct link back to verse 1, the specific, unique Word which is God, not a philosophical ideology. The Holy Spirit through John says that the Word ginomai into a new state of existence, He became flesh – He was not created as to the flesh. The word is the same, but the difference in meaning comes from the context and how it is utilized in the individual texts.

In verse 3, ginomai (a term for coming into existence and change of existence) by context means came into existence by creation, changing from a state of nothingness into a state of createdness; while in verse 14 (due to its context and use) the change is from a state of infinite to the finite, from a previous existence that was other than flesh, into a state of existence within a fleshly body. The Word previously existed outside of time and space, outside of the creation that He created, but now (aorist tense) came into His physical creation at a specific point in time.

The title, “the Son of God,” is given to Christ because of this preexistence and what the Holy Spirit says through John, that He “was God.” The title pertains to the Scriptural fact that Jesus is the Son of God because He originates directly from Yahweh, and shares the attributes of deity with God. In plain English, Jesus is Yahweh in the flesh.

The title, “the Son of God,” means that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.

 

[Shaolin]

(II) Immanuel

Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.


This name, “Immanuel,” is attested to concerning Christ in the gospel of Matthew:


Matthew 1:23*
"Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel" (which means, God is together with us).


The preposition meta, which is here translated as “together with,” generally means amid, in the midst, with, or among as its basic definitions. However, the grammar plays with these meanings as it does with other prepositions. Here it is with the Genitive of person, which specifies that it takes on the further modification of meaning “together with” in a physical, tangible way; whereas with other modifiers it can mean with someone only in spirit, or deed, or in various other ways.

This technical statement does not imply that “God is with us” in some generic meaning that He is for us – that He is in our corner, as it were – through life; here it specifically means that God was walking among us here in this world in a physical form...the form of this Son which the virgin bore.



(III) Mighty God, Everlasting Father


Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.


Here Jesus Christ, in a Messianic prophetic utterance of the Holy Spirit through the prophet Isaiah, God tells us that this child that would be born as the Messiah, would be called the “Mighty God” and “the Everlasting Father,” among others (“Wonderful Counselor” and “Prince of Peace”).

The title, “Mighty God,” is found in the OT two other times (Isaiah 10:21 and Jeremiah 32:18), and always speaks of Yahweh God; and “Everlasting Father” is found two times addressed directly as the everlasting God (Genesis 21:33 and Isaiah 40:28) and indirectly three more times (Psalm 90:2; Isaiah 26:4; Jeremiah 10:10).

Even though these titles of God were not utilized in copious amounts in the OT Scriptures, they were – nonetheless – titles directly addressed to Yahweh and no other. The fact that God, by His Holy Spirit, says that the Messiah would be called by two titles specific to Him alone, is direct evidence that the coming Messiah would be Yahweh God in the flesh.

There is no mistaking what God is telling us here in this text, and the only way to get around these facts is to simply ignore them out of one’s bias, not according to the facts of the text.




(IV) Savior


Isaiah 43:11
I, I am Yahweh, and besides Me there is no Savior.


This is Yahweh God speaking, and He says here that there is no Savior besides Him (See also Isaiah 45:15, 18-21; and Hosea 13:4). We also find numerous places in the NT Scriptures (12 to be exact) where Jesus Christ is called the Savior...


1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son to be the Savior of the world.


See also Luke 2:11; John 4:42; Acts 13:23; Philippians 3:20; II Timothy 1:10; Titus 1:4, 2:13, 3:5-6; II Peter 1:1, 1:11, and 3:18 – which all say that Jesus Christ is the Savior. The question here is, in the OT passages, does God just call Himself the Savior in a physical sense, or does He also include being Savior from sin?

In Isaiah 43:11, 45:15, and 45:18-21 the contexts make it clear that God addresses Himself as both Savior from physical harm and the Redeemer – a direct implication of salvation. In Hosea 13:4 it is difficult to say whether it is only physical harm that He says He will deliver from, or both physical and salvation.

Nevertheless, the Isaiah texts speak of both, and therefore, since Christ is the Savior from sin for the whole world, and the title is pinned upon Him as the Savior, He is directly identified with Yahweh in these texts.




(V) the First and the Last


Isaiah 44:6
Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and His Redeemer, Yahweh of hosts: “I am the First and I am the Last; besides Me there is no god.”

Isaiah 48:12
“Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am He; I am the First, and I am the Last.”


Here God tells us that He is “the First and the Last” and that beside Him there is no other god; He is the ONLY God. Yet, the risen and glorified Christ tells us in the Revelation that He is the first and the last...


Revelation 1:17-18
When I saw Him, I fell at His feet as though dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying, "Fear not, I am the First and the Last, and the Living One. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.

Revelation 22:12-13
“Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”


Thus, the Holy Spirit of God confirms that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, is Yahweh God in the flesh yet once again. Furthermore, many claim that Jesus never claimed to be God, yet right here He uses a title that Yahweh specifically used of Himself, and says that there is no other. The title “first and the last” used in the way that God uses it in Isaiah 44:6, makes it synonymous with God – and in this same manner Jesus uses it of Himself in Revelation 1:18.

For example, if I was awoken from sleep in the middle of the night by a noise in the living room, and I went to investigate and found a tubby older looking man with a white beard, dressed in regular clothing, and asked how he got into the house, or who was he, or what was he doing as I clutched the bat in my hands, and in response he simply laid his finger aside his nose and disappeared into sparkles that went up the fireplace chimney...

In an indirect response to my question he made a claim to who he was by his actions. This is what Jesus does by using a descriptor for Himself that God enunciated about Him-self in the OT Scriptures. When Jesus uses this particular title for Himself that God uses (which He follows up with, “besides Me there is no god”), He ratifies the claim that He is Yahweh God in the flesh.

Unless one calls God a liar like the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (Jehovah’s Witnesses) do when they make Jesus another god, such as in their bastardized version of the Bible where they translate John 1:1 to read that “the Word was a god.” Apparently, the fact escapes them that after they claim Scripture correct when it teaches that there is only one God, that they in fact teach polytheism by stating in their bible that “Jehovah” is one God and Jesus is another (“a”) god.

 

[Shaolin]

(VI) the Living One


Revelation 1:17-18
When I saw Him, I fell at His feet as though dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying, "Fear not, I am the First and the Last, and the Living One. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.


The phrase “the Living One” is another common epithet of God used in the OT Scriptures, which Jesus here uses for Himself...


Deuteronomy 32:40
For I lift up my hand to heaven and swear, As I live forever,


See also Isa. 49:18; Jer. 22:24, 46:18; Eze. 5:11, 14:16, 14:18 (and 14 others). In effect, Jesus uses two different titles of God for Himself in this verse, the “First and the Last” and “the Living One.”




(VII) The Rock

Deuteronomy 32:4
"The Rock, His work is perfect, for all His ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is He.


Without a doubt, the OT Scriptures affirm that there is no “Rock” but Yahweh God (see also Deu. 32:15, 32:18, 32:31; 1 Sam. 2:2; 2 Sam. 22:3, 22:32, 22:47, 23:3; Psa. 78:35; Isa. 17:10, 26:4, 30:29, 44:8; and Hab. 1:12). Yet the apostle Paul, under the influence of the Holy Spirit, gives this title to Jesus Christ, once again confirming that Jesus is Yahweh God in the flesh...


1 Corinthians 10:4
and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.


If Paul had only said that the Rock which followed Israel was Christ, then we might have an instance of debate on whether or not the Rock that is Yahweh of the OT Scriptures is here being related to (in other words, Paul might have just been referencing the actual stone that Moses hit with his staff).

But, with the attributing of “the spiritual Rock” which speaks not of the physical stone (or in the least, not just that physical stone) but also of the deity behind the miracle, Paul intends an equality of Christ with Yahweh.



(VIII) Ancient of Days (from the days of eternity)

Micah 5:2
But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for Me One who is to be ruler in Israel, and His goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity.


“from the days of eternity” is literally “miyemey olam,” which contains one of the title-names of Yaweh...


Genesis 21:33
Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba and called there on the name of Yahweh, the Everlasting God.


“the Everlasting God” is literally “El Olam,” and was first given to God here in this verse by Abraham, as the God who always has been and will always be, who Abraham petitions to watch over the covenant that he had just made with Abimelech.

The Hebrew “olam” means perpetual, eternity, and continuous perpetual existence, depending upon its use in a text. For example, in texts speaking about an action in the distant past, but not so distant as to fall from memory, it is translated as since or until; yet when it is specifically addressing God or the Messiah, it takes on the meaning of eternality in both past and future, such as it does in the current text under discussion [TWOT entry 1630; The Complete Word Study Dictionary, Zodhiates; Brown-Driver-Briggs’ Hebrew Definitions; electronic versions].

This is the title in Micah 5:2 that Yahweh speaks through the prophet in assigning it to the coming Messiah. Not only does God give Christ a title that speaks of Himself coming in the flesh of mankind, but also is a direct allusion to His eternal existence. In other words, God here tells us that the identity of the Messiah includes that He existed in eternity past before His incarnation, even before the creating of all that has been created.

This title found in this Messianic prophecy is synonymous with the title of God, “the Ancient of Days” found in the OT Scriptures...


Daniel 7:9
As I looked, thrones were placed, and the Ancient of Days took his seat; his clothing was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames; its wheels were burning fire.

Daniel 7:13
"I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him.

Daniel 7:22
until the Ancient of Days came, and judgment was given for the saints of the Most High, and the time came when the saints possessed the kingdom.


The “Ancient” of “Ancient of Days” is an Aramaic adjective meaning ancient as far back as the start of time with creation. It has to do with time, but only time that began with the creation of the world. Therefore, it specifically is addressed only to God. The “days of eternity” in the currently discussed text, is synonymous with this Aramaic term.





(IX) Lord...which is equal in the NT for “Yahweh”


Acts 2:36
Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.


“Lord” – from the Greek kurios, meaning Lord Master, or Owner. In NT Greek, according to just about every Greek professor and scholar out there, is the Greek equivalent to the OT Hebrew Yahweh.

For a better understanding of the names and titles, we need to understand that in the OT the word adonay, the emphatic form of adon, meaning sovereign, lord, master, owner. It is used as a proper name of God only.

As a rule...it [Lord] is used as an expository equivalent for the divine name Yahweh...when the Greek translators used kurios for the divine name they did so in free creativity, applying the common use of kurios for the divine epithet in terms of the insight into the nature of the OT God which was current in Hellenistic Judaism. [Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Gerhard Kittel, Vol. 3, pg. 1058-9]

The fact should not be overlooked, of course, that in the history of the Bible and the effect of its message the rendering “lord” has been no less significant than the use of the name (Yahweh) in the original. If the function of the two terms is not wholly identical, it overlaps to such a degree that they content of the statements, being equally orientated to the basic motif of the acknowledgment of the power of the divine will, can have a vital effect. [Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Gerhard Kittel, Vol. 3, pg. 1060]

Furthermore, history demonstrates that the name Yahweh had been used freely in the early history of Israel, but by Jesus’ time the Jews (in particular, those in religious power, the Pharisees) had become so legalistic and didn’t want to take any chance on breaking the command of God not misuse His name – that is, using it in any other way other than calling upon Him, or teaching about Him or His name. Therefore, they attempted to ensure that no one would do so by scribing the Holy Name out of the Scriptures, replacing it with adonai (lord).

As time past and Israel had been conquered by Alexander the Great and Hellenized, and the OT Scriptures were eventually written in Greek, the name of God (Yahweh), which had previously been replaced by Adonai, was now replaced by the Greek kurios (lord). Consequently, because the NT writers were devout Jews quoting the Septuagint in their writings, they continued the tradition of replacing Yahweh with “Lord” in the NT. Thus, when it came to calling Jesus “Lord,” they did so in full recognition of what they were calling Him, as well as their target audiences.

When a NT writer or speaking calls Jesus “Lord,” they are using the same designation that their religious rulers used in addressing Yahweh God – they were calling Jesus God (in the flesh).

The God to whom the Canon bears witness is called “Lord” because He is there shown to be the exclusive holder of power over the cosmos and all men, the Creator of the world and the Master of life and death. The term “Lord” is thus a summation of the beliefs of the OT. It is the wholly successful attempt to state what God is, what the Holy One means in practice for men, namely, the intervention of a personal will, with approximately the pregnancy and binding force which constitute the distinctive mark of the name Yahweh. [Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Gerhard Kittel, Vol. 3, pg. 1062]

In the OT adonay is used of God in such a way as to describe Him as the superior being who belongs to the speaker in this capacity. Kurios bears the same meaning in the LXX. [Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Gerhard Kittel, Vol. 3, pg. 1081]

Jesus was the Messiah (not just a Messiah, but the God-Messiah), and they recognized that about Him. Therefore, they addressed Him as such by the title ‘Lord.” Lord in this case, when addressing Jesus Christ, means the sole Creator and Authority over all creation – God. When used of Jesus or God, it directly and emphatically implies much more than simple common respect from the lesser to greater in rank; it directly and emphatically implies deity.

The name of kurios implies a position equal to that of God. [Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Gerhard Kittel, Vol. 3, pg. 1089]

“The reason why God is absolute Lord of this world and its course, and also of individuals, is that He is the Creator of all,” and from this we find that Jesus is also lauded as the Creator by John and Paul. By right of His creatorship, the title of Lord is justly given to the Christ. [Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Gerhard Kittel, Vol. 3, pg. 1085]

The title ‘name replacement’ for Yahweh (Lord) encompasses all of the meanings of “Son of God,” “Immanuel,” “Mighty God,” “Everlasting Father,” “Savior,” “First and Last,” “the Living One,” “the Rock,” and “Ancient of Days” which Scripture assigns to Jesus.

Kurios – lord, master, owner. Also the NT Greek equivalent for the OT Hebrew “Yahweh.” [The Complete Word Study NT Dictionary, Zodhiates, electronic version]

Precept Austin gives us a quote from FF Bruce, saying:

To a Jew, there was only one name “above every name” – the Ineffable Name of the God of Israel, represented in synagogue reading and in the LXX text by the title “Lord.” And that the apostles meant to give Jesus the title “Lord” in this highest sense of all is indicated by the way in which they do not hesitate on occasion to apply to Him passages of OT Scripture referring to Yahweh. [preceptaustin.org/acts-2-commentary; electronic version]

Austin himself continues with:

Lord (kurios) means the supreme one, the owner, the one in control. The Jews would be very familiar with this title as the Name of God for Kurios was used in the Septuagint Scriptures in every place the Hebrew Name Jehovah was found. The Jews considered Jehovah or Yahweh too holy to pronounce, and so they substituted the word kurios. It follows that Peter’s use of kurios was clearly understood by his Jewish audience as a reference to God.

How, then, do we distinguish between when a person calls another person “lord” that it means lord or master in a human sense, as differently from calling Jesus Lord meaning that He is the divine Creator and Master of all creation, especially when one is speaking to another human being?

When a man of lower societal rank addressed another of higher rank, he would call him ‘lord.’ When anyone who is of lower rank than the king addressed the king, he would call him ‘lord.’ In societies outside of the Middle East, men of equal rank would call one another ‘lord’ in the same way that they would call one another ‘mister’ as a sign of respect. But the answer to the question is found in the historic documents of the OT Scriptures – the title of Lord is bestowed upon Jesus precisely because the Jews understood that the Law and the Prophets foretold that the coming Messiah would not be just a man, but God in human form.

There have been those down through history who overemphasized His humanity over deity, and those who did the same with His deity over His humanity – as always, the truth is always found in the middle, not the extremes. Particularly when the facts and evidence of Scripture clearly teach that Christ would be Yahweh in the flesh, and one can only deny this conclusion because of theological bias, not based upon the historical factual grounds.


"bro"...I have said it before, and I will say it again...the voices that you are hearing giving you these demonic revelations, are NOT Christ...but are directly from the antichrist himself...

 

[Squeakybro]

1. The titles and names addressing Jesus Christ


(I) The Son of God:


John 3:18
Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 19:6-8
When the chief priests and the officers saw Jesus, they cried out, "Crucify Him, crucify Him!" Pilate said to them, "Take Him yourselves and crucify Him, for I find no guilt in Him." The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and according to that law He ought to die because He has made Himself the Son of God." When Pilate heard this statement, he was even more afraid.

John 20:31
but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name.

1 John 4:15
Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.


The title “the Son of God,” because it carried with it in the Jewish mind a meaning that we today are generally ignorant of. The reason why the Jews were repeatedly thrown into a killing frenzy every time Jesus called Himself “the Son of God” is because Jews considered themselves the children of God by right – but Jesus called Himself “THE” Son of God (o UioV tou Qeou), which implies special significance. The claim to be “THE Son of God” directly implies uniqueness and equality with Yahweh God.

Jesus was not “a” son of God through faith and obedience like human beings can be, He was “the” Son of God as to His origin. He was not the Son of God because He was a “descendant” of God, or was God’s posterity – but because He shared the same divine nature of God. Furthermore, the phrase “son of” followed by the Genitive, implies quality, nature, and character (for example, “sons of disobedience,” “sons of thunder,” etc.), from something which one partakes of. In this case, telling us that Jesus has the same nature, quality, and character of God in every way, because He “partakes” of the nature, quality, and character of God, what Paul later says carries “the fullness of God.”

As the one and only unique Son of God, Jesus also made a distinction between Himself and His disciples, such as in John 20:17 where He makes the distinction between “My Father and your Father, to My God and to your God.” It is the one and same Father God to whom He obviously refers to, but the distinction follows upon their natures; He originates directly from the same essence and nature of deity clothed in humanity, while they originate strictly from human nature. This Hebrew parallelism is enunciated upon by Paul as to Christ’s human and divine nature in his opening statement to the Romans:


Romans 1:3-4
concerning His Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by His resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,


Paul affirms that Jesus, the man, came according to the flesh and line of King David, and yet at the same time, is the Messiah (Christ), the Son of God sharing the nature of God according to the Spirit that fully dwelt within Him (which no mere human being has ever had – the fullness of the Holy Spirit of God...because we couldn’t handle it as mere human beings). John attests to this in his gospel:


John 3:34*
He Whom God has sent speaks the words of God; because God gave Him the fullness of the Spirit.


No mere human being could ever receive the fullness of the Holy Spirit into himself, we are only given a portion of the Spirit; but Jesus had the fullness of the Spirit because He was able to receive it. This fact also speaks of His deity and equality with the Father.

Furthermore, John assigns the title “Son of God” not because of His virgin, miraculous birth, but based upon His equality with God, as Yahweh God in the flesh. Beginning with verse 1 in stating that the Word was God incarnate in a human being, and that He was the Creator of the universe (specifically – “all things were made by Him”)...not God, but the Word. Verse 14 tells us yet again, reaffirming verses 1-3, that “the Word became flesh” (ginomai – entering into a change of state of being from another state of being)...


John 1:14*
And the Word came into bodily existence in a change of state of being, and He dwelled among us (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the one and only Son of the Father), full of loving-kindness and truth.


John says, “the Word,” making a direct link back to verse 1, the specific, unique Word which is God, not a philosophical ideology. The Holy Spirit through John says that the Word ginomai into a new state of existence, He became flesh – He was not created as to the flesh. The word is the same, but the difference in meaning comes from the context and how it is utilized in the individual texts.

In verse 3, ginomai (a term for coming into existence and change of existence) by context means came into existence by creation, changing from a state of nothingness into a state of createdness; while in verse 14 (due to its context and use) the change is from a state of infinite to the finite, from a previous existence that was other than flesh, into a state of existence within a fleshly body. The Word previously existed outside of time and space, outside of the creation that He created, but now (aorist tense) came into His physical creation at a specific point in time.

The title, “the Son of God,” is given to Christ because of this preexistence and what the Holy Spirit says through John, that He “was God.” The title pertains to the Scriptural fact that Jesus is the Son of God because He originates directly from Yahweh, and shares the attributes of deity with God. In plain English, Jesus is Yahweh in the flesh.

The title, “the Son of God,” means that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.

So you calling JESUS a liar, and Paul a liar.
One God The Father

Mat 16-13
When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, "Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?"
So they said, "Some [say] John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed [this] to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

John 20-17
Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and [to] My God and your God.' "

1Co 8-5
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
yet for us [there is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom [are] all things, and through whom we [live].

xxx Peter said that Jesus is the Son of God.
xxx Jesus said that we have the very same God and Father as He does.
xxx Paul said for us there is only one God the Father.

 

[Shaolin]

lol That looks like a prophecy from satan.

Yeah...only someone operating in the darkness would say such a thing...SB

 

[Squeakybro]

Yeah...only someone operating in the darkness would say such a thing...SB

If it was from the Holy Spirit you should have proven it by quoting the verses.

 

[Shaolin]

So you calling JESUS a liar, and Paul a liar.

No, I am saying that you are a deceived liar.

One God The Father

Mat 16-13
When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, "Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?"
So they said, "Some [say] John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed [this] to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

What a simpleton...the title "son of God" is a direct reference to the divinity of Christ. A child can see that.

John 20-17
Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and [to] My God and your God.' "

Yes, indeed...when you read Jesus talking about Himself and the Father, if you have any spiritual understanding at all, then you would know that sometimes He speaks out of the Messianic ministry, and sometimes out of His flesh. When He says that "My God and your God," since He is God in the flesh, He is speaking to their humanity, not His supposed un-godness as you claim.

1Co 8-5
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
yet for us [there is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom [are] all things, and through whom we [live].

Yes, indeed...one God, manifest to humanity in human history in three distinct personages, for distinct purposes. You not understanding truth does not make truth a lie...it just demonstrates that you (again) don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Curtis]

John 8:24