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'The Bride of the Lamb' and 'The Church which is His (Christ's) Body'

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The Church which is His (Christ's) Body is one company of the redeemed (Ephesians 1:22-23), with a calling that is unique and distinct.
The company named, 'The Bride of the Lamb. '(Revelation 21:9-27) is another redeemed company, with a calling unique and distinct, and until God joins these two together we aught not to attempt to do so.

A reading of the description of both companies will give you all you need to know regarding the purpose which God has for them. The uniqueness of both, their calling and the sphere of their blessings.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
The Church which is His (Christ's) Body is one company of the redeemed (Ephesians 1:22-23), with a calling that is unique and distinct.
The company named, 'The Bride of the Lamb. '(Revelation 21:9-27) is another redeemed company, with a calling unique and distinct, and until God joins these two together we aught not to attempt to do so.

A reading of the description of both companies will give you all you need to know regarding the purpose which God has for them. The uniqueness of both, their calling and the sphere of their blessings.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
This does not exist. The unity of the church is a foundational doctrine, we are Abe's seed, we are His sheep , we are His planting, we are the household of God, we are His children ,we are His brothers, we are His friends, we are His slaves,,,
. Paul said that believers are: “The children of God” (Rom. 8:16). “The household of God” (Eph. 2:19). “The children of Abraham” (Gal. 3:7). “Abraham’s seed” (Gal. 3:29). “The children of promise” (Rom. 9:8; Gal. 4:28). “A people of his own” (Ti. 2:14 — RSV). “The elect of God” (Col. 3:12). “Heirs of God” (Rom. 8:17). “Heirs according to the promise” (Gal. 3:29). “The temple of God” (1 Cor. 3:16). “The circumcision” (Phil. 3:3). “The Israel of God” (Gal. 6:16). Peter said that believers are: “A chosen generation” (1 Pet. 2:9). “A royal priesthood” (1 Pet. 2:9). “An holy nation” (1 Pet. 2:9). “A peculiar people” (1 Pet. 2:9). James said that believers are: “Heirs of the kingdom” (Jas. 2:5). John said that believers are: “The sons of God” (Jn. 1:12). “Kings and priests unto God” (Rev. 1:6). “The new Jerusalem” (Rev. 3:12). “The holy city” (Rev. 21:2). The letter to the Hebrews said that believers are: “The people of God” (Heb. 4:9). “Mount Zion” (Heb. 12:22). “The city of the living God” (Heb. 12:22). “The heavenly Jerusalem” (Heb. 12:22).
 
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Hello @Hitch,

Thank you for responding. This thread was started in response to a question raised to me by yourself in the thread discussing the place of the church in the book of revelation: for I did not want to derail that thread. I have no intention of debating this subject, for we each have to do our own study of the Scriptures and God, by His Holy Spirit is working in us to will and to do of His Own good pleasure. It is before Him we stand.

'Wherefore I also,
.. after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus,
.... and love unto all the saints,
...... Cease not to give thanks for you,
........ making mention of you in my prayers;
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,
.. may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him:
.... The eyes of your understanding being enlightened;
...... that ye may know what is the hope of His calling,
........ and what the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,
And what is the exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe,
.. according to the working of His mighty power,
.... Which He wrought in Christ,
...... when he raised Him from the dead,
........ and set him at His own right hand in the heavenly places,
.......... Far above all principality, and power,
............ and might, and dominion, and every name that is named,
.............. not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under His feet,
and gave Him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is His body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all.'
(Eph 1:15-23)

Praise God!

:love:
 
The Bride of the Lamb. '(Revelation 21:9-27) is another redeemed company,

interesting as we read Revelation 21 he says he is going to show him the bride, and shows him the New Jerusalem. Does that mean what it says that the bride is the New Jerusalem? Or maybe it the saints that occupy the city??

9. Then one of the seven angels with the seven bowls full of the seven final plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”

10. And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the holy city of Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,
11. shining with the glory of God. Its radiance was like a most precious jewel, like a jasper, as clear as crystal.
12. The city had a great and high wall with twelve gates inscribed with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel, and twelve angels at the gates.
13. There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south, and three on the west.
14. The wall of the city had twelve foundations bearing the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
 
interesting as we read Revelation 21 he says he is going to show him the bride, and shows him the New Jerusalem. Does that mean what it says that the bride is the New Jerusalem? Or maybe it the saints that occupy the city??

9. Then one of the seven angels with the seven bowls full of the seven final plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”

10. And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the holy city of Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,
11. shining with the glory of God. Its radiance was like a most precious jewel, like a jasper, as clear as crystal.
12. The city had a great and high wall with twelve gates inscribed with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel, and twelve angels at the gates.
13. There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south, and three on the west.
14. The wall of the city had twelve foundations bearing the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
interesting as we read Revelation 21 he says he is going to show him the bride, and shows him the New Jerusalem. Does that mean what it says that the bride is the New Jerusalem? Or maybe it the saints that occupy the city??

9. Then one of the seven angels with the seven bowls full of the seven final plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”

10. And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the holy city of Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,
11. shining with the glory of God. Its radiance was like a most precious jewel, like a jasper, as clear as crystal.
12. The city had a great and high wall with twelve gates inscribed with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel, and twelve angels at the gates.
13. There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south, and three on the west.
14. The wall of the city had twelve foundations bearing the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Hello @Dave M,

The New Jerusalem which comes down out of heaven is indeed referred to as, 'the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.' It 'represents' or contains 'the Bride'. In chapter 19, 'the Wife' referred to is Israel. 'The Bride' is not Israel, but is OF Israel, and is a heavenly calling. (Hebrews 3:1), and not an earthly one (see Gen, 23:4; 1 Peter 2:11; Hebrews 11:13-16; Hebrews 11:10).

Thank you for responding Dave.
Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris
 
interesting could you expand on that,

thanks
Hello @Dave M,

The Old Testament bears witness to a company of redeemed, that are likened to either wife or bride,. Jeremiah prophesied of the institution of the New Covenant, he said, 'not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt: which My coenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them.' This supposes that under the terms of the old covenant, Israel were related to the Lord as a wife to an husband. This is recognized by Ezekiel who wrote, in Ezekiel 16:7
 
Hello @Dave M,

The New Jerusalem which comes down out of heaven is indeed referred to as, 'the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.' It 'represents' or contains 'the Bride'. In chapter 19, 'the Wife' referred to is Israel. 'The Bride' is not Israel, but is OF Israel, and is a heavenly calling. (Hebrews 3:1), and not an earthly one (see Gen, 23:4; 1 Peter 2:11; Hebrews 11:13-16; Hebrews 11:10).

Thank you for responding Dave.
Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris
How many 'cities or God ' are there ?
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,

The answer is one.
 
interesting could you expand on that,

thanks
Hello @Dave M,

The Old Testament bears witness to a company of redeemed, that are likened to either 'wife' or 'bride',. Jeremiah prophesied of the institution of the New Covenant, he said, 'not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt: which My covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them.' This supposes that under the terms of the old covenant, Israel were related to the Lord as a wife to an husband. This is recognized by Ezekiel who wrote, in Ezekiel 16:7-14. the figure representative of union between husband and wife, 'I spread my skirt over thee'. Ruth 3:9 also reveals the marriage relationship, which is explained by Ezekiel as entering into a 'covenant' and 'prospering as a Kingdom'.

The charge laid against Israel, is that they proved unfaithful to their marriage vow, Ezekiel likened them to 'a wife that committeth adultery' (Ezek. 16:32) and says that Israel will be judged 'as a woman that breaketh wedlock' (Ezek. 16:38). The phrase, which has become common in modern matrimonial lawsuits, 'breach of promise', is used by God of Israel in Numbers 14:34; and divorcement is employed by Jeremiah to set forth this people's unhappy position.

'They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? ... ... Turn O backsliding children, saith the Lord; for I am married to you' (Jeremiah 3:1,14).

Isaiah speaks of divorcement saying: 'Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away' (Isaiah 50:1). He also speaks of the ultimate restoration of this wayward people:- 'Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate@ but thou shalt be called Hephziba, and thy land Beulah; for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married' (Isa. 62:4).

The prophet Hosea, is the prophet of the interval between the setting aside of Israel and of: their restoration. In Chapter 1, he has three children bearing prophetic names:-

Jezreel 'Scattering' and also 'Sowing'.
Lo-ruhamah, 'Not having obtained mercy'.
Lo-ammi, 'Not My people'.

In chapter 2 the prophet continues, 'she is not My wife, neither am I her husband' but at the close, all is reverses, all is restored: 'I will betroth thee unto Me for ever '. 'I will sow (Jezreel) her unto Me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say unto them which were not My people, Thou art My People; and they shall say, Thou art my God '(Hos. 3:23).

Hosea chapter 3 speaks of the long waiting period of Israel's divorcement: 'Thou shalt abide for Me many days ,,, for the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a Prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim.'

At Acts 28 and the repetition of Isaiah 6, Israel's hope is suspended, Israel's long period of blindness and wandering commenced, Yes, Israel entered into her long period of divorcement. This later thought is implicit in the word translated 'departed' in Acts 28:25 which should be rendered 'dismissed' for the word is passive. This word 'apoluo' had a distinct meaning, and one that bears closely upon the divorcement of Israel in Acts 2;28. Here are the first occurrences of this Greek word in the New Testament.:-

'Joseph ... was minded to put her away privily' (Matt. 1:19)
'Whosoever shall put away his wife' (Matt. 5:31)
'Shall marry her that is divorced' (Matt. 5:32)

The long predicted 'lo-ammi' condition of Hosea 1 commences here, the long night of Israel's exile begins here, and the new dispensation of the grace of God to the Gentiles begins here. The Bride of the Lamb must be distinguished from the national restoration of Israel, set forth in the symbol of a wife divorced, then taken back forgiven and blessed. The Revelation is particularly concerned with a believing, overcoming remnant, and it is this overcoming remnant out of Israel that is depicted under the figure of a Bride. While this distinction must be observed, some expositors have attempted to make a distinction between the 'wife' of Revelation 19 and the 'bride' of Revelation 21 and 22. Restored Israel, as the wife once divorced and at last taken back again is not the subject of the book of the Revelation. Restored Israel as such, has no place in the heavenly city, that is reserved for the heavenly calling of the kingdom. Abraham had the land as an assured inheritance but as an overcomer, he looked higher, and waited for the heavenly city. In both Revelation 19 and 21 it is the 'Lamb' who is the Bridegroom.

This is as far as I can go at the moment, but I hope I have not tried your patience too far, in giving you so much to read.

Thank you for your enquiry.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
How many 'cities or God ' are there ?
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,

The answer is one.
Hello @Hitch,

There is one new Jerusalem, which will descend out of heaven, and that is referred to as 'the Bride, the Lamb's wife' (Revelation 21:9-10).

In Hebrews 11, we are given a list of those of like precious faith as Abraham, who looked for a city made without hands. These were the overcomers of their generation, and share the hope of, 'The Bride'.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Hello @Hitch,

There is one new Jerusalem, which will descend out of heaven, and that is referred to as 'the Bride, the Lamb's wife' (Revelation 21:9-10).

In Hebrews 11, we are given a list of those of like precious faith as Abraham, who looked for a city made without hands. These were the overcomers of their generation, and share the hope of, 'The Bride'.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Sad you are forced to ignore the obvious:

But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels

And who has come to Sion?

1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

We....
 
Hello @Dave M,

The Old Testament bears witness to a company of redeemed, that are likened to either 'wife' or 'bride',. Jeremiah prophesied of the institution of the New Covenant, he said, 'not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt: which My covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them.' This supposes that under the terms of the old covenant, Israel were related to the Lord as a wife to an husband. This is recognized by Ezekiel who wrote, in Ezekiel 16:7-14. the figure representative of union between husband and wife, 'I spread my skirt over thee'. Ruth 3:9 also reveals the marriage relationship, which is explained by Ezekiel as entering into a 'covenant' and 'prospering as a Kingdom'.

The charge laid against Israel, is that they proved unfaithful to their marriage vow, Ezekiel likened them to 'a wife that committeth adultery' (Ezek. 16:32) and says that Israel will be judged 'as a woman that breaketh wedlock' (Ezek. 16:38). The phrase, which has become common in modern matrimonial lawsuits, 'breach of promise', is used by God of Israel in Numbers 14:34; and divorcement is employed by Jeremiah to set forth this people's unhappy position.

'They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? ... ... Turn O backsliding children, saith the Lord; for I am married to you' (Jeremiah 3:1,14).

Isaiah speaks of divorcement saying: 'Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away' (Isaiah 50:1). He also speaks of the ultimate restoration of this wayward people:- 'Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate@ but thou shalt be called Hephziba, and thy land Beulah; for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married' (Isa. 62:4).

The prophet Hosea, is the prophet of the interval between the setting aside of Israel and of: their restoration. In Chapter 1, he has three children bearing prophetic names:-

Jezreel 'Scattering' and also 'Sowing'.
Lo-ruhamah, 'Not having obtained mercy'.
Lo-ammi, 'Not My people'.

In chapter 2 the prophet continues, 'she is not My wife, neither am I her husband' but at the close, all is reverses, all is restored: 'I will betroth thee unto Me for ever '. 'I will sow (Jezreel) her unto Me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say unto them which were not My people, Thou art My People; and they shall say, Thou art my God '(Hos. 3:23).

Hosea chapter 3 speaks of the long waiting period of Israel's divorcement: 'Thou shalt abide for Me many days ,,, for the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a Prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim.'

At Acts 28 and the repetition of Isaiah 6, Israel's hope is suspended, Israel's long period of blindness and wandering commenced, Yes, Israel entered into her long period of divorcement. This later thought is implicit in the word translated 'departed' in Acts 28:25 which should be rendered 'dismissed' for the word is passive. This word 'apoluo' had a distinct meaning, and one that bears closely upon the divorcement of Israel in Acts 2;28. Here are the first occurrences of this Greek word in the New Testament.:-

'Joseph ... was minded to put her away privily' (Matt. 1:19)
'Whosoever shall put away his wife' (Matt. 5:31)
'Shall marry her that is divorced' (Matt. 5:32)

The long predicted 'lo-ammi' condition of Hosea 1 commences here, the long night of Israel's exile begins here, and the new dispensation of the grace of God to the Gentiles begins here. The Bride of the Lamb must be distinguished from the national restoration of Israel, set forth in the symbol of a wife divorced, then taken back forgiven and blessed. The Revelation is particularly concerned with a believing, overcoming remnant, and it is this overcoming remnant out of Israel that is depicted under the figure of a Bride. While this distinction must be observed, some expositors have attempted to make a distinction between the 'wife' of Revelation 19 and the 'bride' of Revelation 21 and 22. Restored Israel, as the wife once divorced and at last taken back again is not the subject of the book of the Revelation. Restored Israel as such, has no place in the heavenly city, that is reserved for the heavenly calling of the kingdom. Abraham had the land as an assured inheritance but as an overcomer, he looked higher, and waited for the heavenly city. In both Revelation 19 and 21 it is the 'Lamb' who is the Bridegroom.

This is as far as I can go at the moment, but I hope I have not tried your patience too far, in giving you so much to read.

Thank you for your enquiry.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
There are no unfulfilled promises/prophecies regarding restoring Israel. Such is nowhere found in the apostles.
 
Paul writes:

That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.



That he might present it to himself. He declares what is the design of baptism and of our being washed. It is, that we may live in a holy and unblamable manner before God. We are washed by Christ, not that we may return to our pollution, but that we may retain through our life the purity which we have once received. This is described in metaphorical language appropriate to his argument.

Not having spot or wrinkle. As the beauty of the wife produces love in the husband, so Christ adorns the Church his bride with holiness as a proof of his regard. This metaphor contains an allusion to marriage; but he afterwards lays aside the figure, and says plainly, that Christ has reconciled the church, that it might be holy and without blemish. The true beauty of the church consists in this conjugal chastity, that is, in holiness and purity.

The word present (parastesHu) implies that the church ought to be holy, not only in the view of men, but in the eyes of the Lord; for Paul says, that he might present it to himself, not that he might shew it to others, though the fruits of that hidden purity become afterwards evident in outward works. Pelagians were wont to quote this passage in order to prove the perfection of righteousness in this life, but have been successfully answered by Augustine. Paul does not state what has been done, but for what purpose Christ has cleansed his church. Now, when a thing is said to be done that another may afterwards follow, it is idle to conclude that this latter thing, which ought to follow, has been already done. We do not deny that the holiness of the church is already begun; but, so long as there is daily progress, there cannot be perfection.

Calvin commentary.
 
Henry on Rev 19;


In this chapter we have, I. A further account of the triumphant song of angels and saints for the fall of Babylon (v. 1-4). II. The marriage between Christ and the church proclaimed and perfected (v. 5-10). III. Another warlike expedition of the glorious head and husband of the church, with the success of it (v. 10, etc.).
Verses 1-4

The fall of Babylon being fixed, finished, and declared to be irrecoverable in the foregoing chapter, this begins with a holy triumph over her, in pursuance of the order given forth: Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets, ch. 18:20 . They now gladly answer the call; and here you have, 1. The form of their thanksgiving, in that heavenly and most comprehensive word, Alleluia, praise you the Lord: with this they begin, with this they go on, and with this they end (v. 4); their prayers are now turned into praises, their hosannas end in halleluias. 2. The matter of their thanksgiving: they praise him for the truth of his word, and the righteousness of his providential conduct, especially in this great event—the ruin of Babylon, which had been a mother, nurse, and nest of idolatry, lewdness, and cruelty (v. 2), for which signal example of divine justice they ascribe salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto our God. 3. The effect of these their praises: when the angels and saints cried Alleluia, her fire burned more fiercely and her smoke ascended for ever and ever, v. 3. The surest way to have our deliverances continued and completed is to give God the glory of what he has done for us. Praising God for what we have is praying in the most effectual manner for what is yet further to be done for us; the praises of the saints blow up the fire of God’s wrath against the common enemy. 4. The blessed harmony between the angels and the saints in this triumphant song, v. 4. The churches and their ministers take the melodious sound from the angels, and repeat it; falling down, and worshipping God, they cry, Amen, Alleluia.
Verses 5-10

The triumphant song being ended, and epithalamium, or marriage-song, begins, v. 6. Here observe,I. The concert of heavenly music. The chorus was large and loud, as the voice of many waters and of mighty thunderings. God is fearful in praises. There is no discord in heaven; the morning stars sing together; no jarring string, nor key untuned, but pure and perfect melody.II. The occasion of this song; and that is the reign and dominion of that omnipotent God who has redeemed his church by his own blood, and is now in a more public manner betrothing her to himself: The marriage of the Lamb has come, v. 7. Some think this refers to the conversion of the Jews, which they suppose will succeed the fall of Babylon; others, to the general resurrection: the former seems more probable. Now, 1. You have here a description of the bride, how she appeared; not in the gay and gaudy dress of the mother of harlots, but in fine linen, clean and white, which is the righteousness of saints; in the robes of Christ’s righteousness, both imputed for justification and imparted for sanctification—the stola, the white robe of absolution, adoption, and enfranchisement, and the white robe of purity and universal holiness. She had washed her robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb; and these her nuptial ornaments she did not purchase by any price of her own, but received them as the gift and grant of her blessed Lord. 2. The marriage-feast, which, though not particularly described (as Mt. 22:4 ), yet is declared to be such as would make all those happy who were called to it, so called as to accept the invitation, a feast made up of the promises of the gospel, the true sayings of God, v. 9. These promises, opened, applied, sealed, and earnested by the Spirit of God, in holy eucharistical ordinances, are the marriage-feast; and the whole collective body of all those who partake of this feast is the bride, the Lamb’s wife; they eat into one body, and drink into one Spirit, and are not mere spectators or guests, but coalesce into the espoused party, the mystical body of Christ. 3. The transport of joy which the apostle felt in himself at this vision. He fell down at the feet of the angel, to worship him, supposing him to be more than a creature, or having his thoughts at the present overpowered by the vehemency of his affections. Here observe, (1.) What honour he offered to the angel: He fell at his feet, to worship him; this prostration was a part of external worship, it was a posture of proper adoration. (2.) How the angel refused it, and this was with some resentment: "See thou do it not; have a care what thou doest, thou art doing a wrong thing.’’ (3.) He gave a very good reason for his refusal: "I am thy fellow-servant, and of thy brethren which have the testimony of Jesus —I am a creature, thine equal in office, though not in nature; I, as an angel and messenger of God, have the testimony of Jesus, a charge to be a witness for him and to testify concerning him, and thou, as an apostle, having the Spirit of prophecy, hast the same testimony to give in; and therefore we are in this brethren and fellow-servants.’’ (4.) He directs him to the true and only object of religious worship; namely, God: "Worship God, and him alone.’’ This fully condemns both the practice of the papists in worshipping the elements of bread and wine, and saints, and angels, and the practice of those Socinians and Arians who do not believe that Christ is truly and by nature God, and yet pay him religious worship; and this shows what wretched fig-leaves all their evasions and excuses are which they offer in their own vindication: they stand hereby convicted of idolatry by a messenger from heaven.
 
Sad you are forced to ignore the obvious:

But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels

And who has come to Sion?

1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

We....
Hello @Hitch,

With respect, there is no question of ignoring anything, so please do not assume that. There is no need to introduce insult and insinuation into this discussion. For we all desire to be true to the word of God.

You ask me the question 'Who has come to Sion?' in relation to Hebrews 12:22-24:-

'But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling,
that speaketh better things than that of Abel.'

Those to whom the Author wrote were Hebrew believers, the believing remnant of Israel.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
There are no unfulfilled promises/prophecies regarding restoring Israel. Such is nowhere found in the apostles.
Hello @Hitch,

What is it in my posts that has produced this response from you? :)

As regards what you say in your response above, I would ask you, 'Is Israel now a redeemed nation?' Is Israel now fulfilling God's purpose for it, by being a Kingdom of Priests unto God among the nations? Has Abraham received the promises made unto Him? Have any of those who are spoken of as having died not having received the promises made to them in the letter to the Hebrews (Hebrews 11:13), now so blessed as to have entered into them? No!

There is much yet to be fulfilled, and this will come to pass in a time of God's choosing: for many it will require resurrection from the dead.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Hello @Dave M,

The Old Testament bears witness to a company of redeemed, that are likened to either wife or bride,. Jeremiah prophesied of the institution of the New Covenant, he said, 'not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt: which My coenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them.' This supposes that under the terms of the old covenant, Israel were related to the Lord as a wife to an husband. This is recognized by Ezekiel who wrote, in Ezekiel 16:7
Hello @Dave M,

This entry of mine (reply#7), was entered by mistake, while in the process of composing it, and I entered the completed one in reply #9.

Sorry if I have caused confusion.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Paul writes:

That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.


That he might present it to himself. He declares what is the design of baptism and of our being washed. It is, that we may live in a holy and unblamable manner before God. We are washed by Christ, not that we may return to our pollution, but that we may retain through our life the purity which we have once received. This is described in metaphorical language appropriate to his argument.

Not having spot or wrinkle. As the beauty of the wife produces love in the husband, so Christ adorns the Church his bride with holiness as a proof of his regard. This metaphor contains an allusion to marriage; but he afterwards lays aside the figure, and says plainly, that Christ has reconciled the church, that it might be holy and without blemish. The true beauty of the church consists in this conjugal chastity, that is, in holiness and purity.

The word present (parastesHu) implies that the church ought to be holy, not only in the view of men, but in the eyes of the Lord; for Paul says, that he might present it to himself, not that he might shew it to others, though the fruits of that hidden purity become afterwards evident in outward works. Pelagians were wont to quote this passage in order to prove the perfection of righteousness in this life, but have been successfully answered by Augustine. Paul does not state what has been done, but for what purpose Christ has cleansed his church. Now, when a thing is said to be done that another may afterwards follow, it is idle to conclude that this latter thing, which ought to follow, has been already done. We do not deny that the holiness of the church is already begun; but, so long as there is daily progress, there cannot be perfection.

Calvin commentary.
'Husbands, love your wives,
even as Christ also loved the church,
and gave Hmself for it;
That He might sanctify and cleanse it
with the washing of water by the word,
That He might present it to Himself a glorious church,
not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing;
but that it should be holy and without blemish.'
(Eph 5:25-27)

Hello @Hitch,

I disagree with the writer that this has anything to do with baptism with water. For here, in this practical section of Paul's epistle, where relationships are being considered, Paul is using the love of Christ for the church to illustrate the love which the husband should have for his wife. The 'washing' is done by the application of the word of God to heart and mind.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Henry on Rev 19;


In this chapter we have, I. A further account of the triumphant song of angels and saints for the fall of Babylon (v. 1-4). II. The marriage between Christ and the church proclaimed and perfected (v. 5-10). III. Another warlike expedition of the glorious head and husband of the church, with the success of it (v. 10, etc.).
Verses 1-4

The fall of Babylon being fixed, finished, and declared to be irrecoverable in the foregoing chapter, this begins with a holy triumph over her, in pursuance of the order given forth: Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets, ch. 18:20 . They now gladly answer the call; and here you have, 1. The form of their thanksgiving, in that heavenly and most comprehensive word, Alleluia, praise you the Lord: with this they begin, with this they go on, and with this they end (v. 4); their prayers are now turned into praises, their hosannas end in halleluias. 2. The matter of their thanksgiving: they praise him for the truth of his word, and the righteousness of his providential conduct, especially in this great event—the ruin of Babylon, which had been a mother, nurse, and nest of idolatry, lewdness, and cruelty (v. 2), for which signal example of divine justice they ascribe salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto our God. 3. The effect of these their praises: when the angels and saints cried Alleluia, her fire burned more fiercely and her smoke ascended for ever and ever, v. 3. The surest way to have our deliverances continued and completed is to give God the glory of what he has done for us. Praising God for what we have is praying in the most effectual manner for what is yet further to be done for us; the praises of the saints blow up the fire of God’s wrath against the common enemy. 4. The blessed harmony between the angels and the saints in this triumphant song, v. 4. The churches and their ministers take the melodious sound from the angels, and repeat it; falling down, and worshipping God, they cry, Amen, Alleluia.
Verses 5-10

The triumphant song being ended, and epithalamium, or marriage-song, begins, v. 6. Here observe,I. The concert of heavenly music. The chorus was large and loud, as the voice of many waters and of mighty thunderings. God is fearful in praises. There is no discord in heaven; the morning stars sing together; no jarring string, nor key untuned, but pure and perfect melody.II. The occasion of this song; and that is the reign and dominion of that omnipotent God who has redeemed his church by his own blood, and is now in a more public manner betrothing her to himself: The marriage of the Lamb has come, v. 7. Some think this refers to the conversion of the Jews, which they suppose will succeed the fall of Babylon; others, to the general resurrection: the former seems more probable. Now, 1. You have here a description of the bride, how she appeared; not in the gay and gaudy dress of the mother of harlots, but in fine linen, clean and white, which is the righteousness of saints; in the robes of Christ’s righteousness, both imputed for justification and imparted for sanctification—the stola, the white robe of absolution, adoption, and enfranchisement, and the white robe of purity and universal holiness. She had washed her robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb; and these her nuptial ornaments she did not purchase by any price of her own, but received them as the gift and grant of her blessed Lord. 2. The marriage-feast, which, though not particularly described (as Mt. 22:4 ), yet is declared to be such as would make all those happy who were called to it, so called as to accept the invitation, a feast made up of the promises of the gospel, the true sayings of God, v. 9. These promises, opened, applied, sealed, and earnested by the Spirit of God, in holy eucharistical ordinances, are the marriage-feast; and the whole collective body of all those who partake of this feast is the bride, the Lamb’s wife; they eat into one body, and drink into one Spirit, and are not mere spectators or guests, but coalesce into the espoused party, the mystical body of Christ. 3. The transport of joy which the apostle felt in himself at this vision. He fell down at the feet of the angel, to worship him, supposing him to be more than a creature, or having his thoughts at the present overpowered by the vehemency of his affections. Here observe, (1.) What honour he offered to the angel: He fell at his feet, to worship him; this prostration was a part of external worship, it was a posture of proper adoration. (2.) How the angel refused it, and this was with some resentment: "See thou do it not; have a care what thou doest, thou art doing a wrong thing.’’ (3.) He gave a very good reason for his refusal: "I am thy fellow-servant, and of thy brethren which have the testimony of Jesus —I am a creature, thine equal in office, though not in nature; I, as an angel and messenger of God, have the testimony of Jesus, a charge to be a witness for him and to testify concerning him, and thou, as an apostle, having the Spirit of prophecy, hast the same testimony to give in; and therefore we are in this brethren and fellow-servants.’’ (4.) He directs him to the true and only object of religious worship; namely, God: "Worship God, and him alone.’’ This fully condemns both the practice of the papists in worshipping the elements of bread and wine, and saints, and angels, and the practice of those Socinians and Arians who do not believe that Christ is truly and by nature God, and yet pay him religious worship; and this shows what wretched fig-leaves all their evasions and excuses are which they offer in their own vindication: they stand hereby convicted of idolatry by a messenger from heaven.
'Let us be glad and rejoice,
and give honour to Him:
for the marriage of the Lamb is come,
and His wife hath made herself ready.'
(Rev 19:7)

Hello @Hitch, :)

The 'wife' is earthly (Rev. 19): the 'Bride' is heavenly (Rev.21)

This marriage in revelation 19 is referred to in Isaiah 4:5:-

'And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion,
and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy,
even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion,
and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof
by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion,
and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day,
and the shining of a flaming fire by night:
for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the daytime from the heat,
and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.'
(Isa 4:3-6)

* This is the 'Chuppah' (ie., the marriage or bridal canopy mentioned elsewhere only in Psalm 19:5, and Joel 2:16. The 'chuppah' is the bridal canopy beneath which Jewish nuptial ceremonies are performed.

'Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber (chuppah', and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.' (Psalm 19:5)
'Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts:
let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber (chuppah), and the bride out of her closet.'
(Joel 2:16)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Henry on Rev 19;


In this chapter we have, I. A further account of the triumphant song of angels and saints for the fall of Babylon (v. 1-4). II. The marriage between Christ and the church proclaimed and perfected (v. 5-10). III. Another warlike expedition of the glorious head and husband of the church, with the success of it (v. 10, etc.).
Verses 1-4

The fall of Babylon being fixed, finished, and declared to be irrecoverable in the foregoing chapter, this begins with a holy triumph over her, in pursuance of the order given forth: Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets, ch. 18:20 . They now gladly answer the call; and here you have, 1. The form of their thanksgiving, in that heavenly and most comprehensive word, Alleluia, praise you the Lord: with this they begin, with this they go on, and with this they end (v. 4); their prayers are now turned into praises, their hosannas end in halleluias. 2. The matter of their thanksgiving: they praise him for the truth of his word, and the righteousness of his providential conduct, especially in this great event—the ruin of Babylon, which had been a mother, nurse, and nest of idolatry, lewdness, and cruelty (v. 2), for which signal example of divine justice they ascribe salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto our God. 3. The effect of these their praises: when the angels and saints cried Alleluia, her fire burned more fiercely and her smoke ascended for ever and ever, v. 3. The surest way to have our deliverances continued and completed is to give God the glory of what he has done for us. Praising God for what we have is praying in the most effectual manner for what is yet further to be done for us; the praises of the saints blow up the fire of God’s wrath against the common enemy. 4. The blessed harmony between the angels and the saints in this triumphant song, v. 4. The churches and their ministers take the melodious sound from the angels, and repeat it; falling down, and worshipping God, they cry, Amen, Alleluia.
Verses 5-10

The triumphant song being ended, and epithalamium, or marriage-song, begins, v. 6. Here observe,I. The concert of heavenly music. The chorus was large and loud, as the voice of many waters and of mighty thunderings. God is fearful in praises. There is no discord in heaven; the morning stars sing together; no jarring string, nor key untuned, but pure and perfect melody.II. The occasion of this song; and that is the reign and dominion of that omnipotent God who has redeemed his church by his own blood, and is now in a more public manner betrothing her to himself: The marriage of the Lamb has come, v. 7. Some think this refers to the conversion of the Jews, which they suppose will succeed the fall of Babylon; others, to the general resurrection: the former seems more probable. Now, 1. You have here a description of the bride, how she appeared; not in the gay and gaudy dress of the mother of harlots, but in fine linen, clean and white, which is the righteousness of saints; in the robes of Christ’s righteousness, both imputed for justification and imparted for sanctification—the stola, the white robe of absolution, adoption, and enfranchisement, and the white robe of purity and universal holiness. She had washed her robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb; and these her nuptial ornaments she did not purchase by any price of her own, but received them as the gift and grant of her blessed Lord. 2. The marriage-feast, which, though not particularly described (as Mt. 22:4 ), yet is declared to be such as would make all those happy who were called to it, so called as to accept the invitation, a feast made up of the promises of the gospel, the true sayings of God, v. 9. These promises, opened, applied, sealed, and earnested by the Spirit of God, in holy eucharistical ordinances, are the marriage-feast; and the whole collective body of all those who partake of this feast is the bride, the Lamb’s wife; they eat into one body, and drink into one Spirit, and are not mere spectators or guests, but coalesce into the espoused party, the mystical body of Christ. 3. The transport of joy which the apostle felt in himself at this vision. He fell down at the feet of the angel, to worship him, supposing him to be more than a creature, or having his thoughts at the present overpowered by the vehemency of his affections. Here observe, (1.) What honour he offered to the angel: He fell at his feet, to worship him; this prostration was a part of external worship, it was a posture of proper adoration. (2.) How the angel refused it, and this was with some resentment: "See thou do it not; have a care what thou doest, thou art doing a wrong thing.’’ (3.) He gave a very good reason for his refusal: "I am thy fellow-servant, and of thy brethren which have the testimony of Jesus —I am a creature, thine equal in office, though not in nature; I, as an angel and messenger of God, have the testimony of Jesus, a charge to be a witness for him and to testify concerning him, and thou, as an apostle, having the Spirit of prophecy, hast the same testimony to give in; and therefore we are in this brethren and fellow-servants.’’ (4.) He directs him to the true and only object of religious worship; namely, God: "Worship God, and him alone.’’ This fully condemns both the practice of the papists in worshipping the elements of bread and wine, and saints, and angels, and the practice of those Socinians and Arians who do not believe that Christ is truly and by nature God, and yet pay him religious worship; and this shows what wretched fig-leaves all their evasions and excuses are which they offer in their own vindication: they stand hereby convicted of idolatry by a messenger from heaven.
Hello again, @Hitch,

- There is the earthly calling which all Israel shares - 'the wife' (Revelation 19) - the 'sand' of Genesis 13:16.
- There is the heavenly calling of an elect remnant of Israel which is 'The Bride' (Revelation 21:9) - the 'stars' of Genesis 15:5.
- There is the calling of the Church which is the body of Christ (ie., the Mystery) - (Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon)

* These have different hopes, different promises, and different destinies.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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