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Is Ephesians 5:22-33 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord." outdated?
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I am laughing Ploughboy,
A friend said to me five or six weeks ago, 'brother paul, I just told my wife there will be no sex in heaven, she smiled and said thank goodness for that I look forward to being in heaven.'
Only a true friend would say something like that, it could be taken many different ways, we have been friends for over 25 years.
It is true, you know what my friend, we won't even miss it, we will be in awe.
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So true. I've noticed time and time again how "Christian" women will twist scripture and not really submit to their husbands. It is selective submission at most. Few will let their husbands have the final say in all matters.
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"Selective submission"? on the part of 'Christian' women -- their husband having Final say in All matters?! you sound Serious. So, okay -- 'yes, you can Now brush your teeth, put on the pot roast, go shopping, feed the dog?!?!
Isn't it Supposed to be that everyone is to submit to God 1st and then to each other and the kids to the parents.
That which I Have noticed over the years is that When a husband loves his wife that his wife will Naturally want to look to him for leadership. And When a husband loves his wife -- he will respect and honor her. And I comment about it twice because in Ephesians the husbands are Told twice to love their wives.
Do men get married to have a live-in maid? To have someone to boss around?! Or do they marry for companionship / because life just isn't complete without that other person by their side.
Some men actually realize that in a household -- it doesn't run itself -- everyone lives there and needs to help it run smoothly.
Isn't it Supposed to be that everyone is to submit to God 1st and then to each other and the kids to the parents.
That which I Have noticed over the years is that When a husband loves his wife that his wife will Naturally want to look to him for leadership. And When a husband loves his wife -- he will respect and honor her. And I comment about it twice because in Ephesians the husbands are Told twice to love their wives.
Do men get married to have a live-in maid? To have someone to boss around?! Or do they marry for companionship / because life just isn't complete without that other person by their side.
Some men actually realize that in a household -- it doesn't run itself -- everyone lives there and needs to help it run smoothly.
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Yes husbands need to love their wives, that's very important. But that's another thread.
There is no "if" anywhere in this passage.
Eph 5:22; Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
Eph 5:23; For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
Eph 5:24; But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.
It doesn't say do this "if" your husband is worthy, or "if" your husband treats you like you want him to.
It just says do it.
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Hi Pastor, The Word of the Lord is unchanging. The world can change and does because Satan is busy, but the Word of the Lord never does, and woe betide anyone who alters it.
1 Corinthians 14:33-38. Bless you.
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I totally agree @sweetcake
The questions I think are...
Are they followers of Jesus, or the world? or
Are they Christians by name
Are they just church goers?
Are they born again?
Bless you
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The Word of the Lord is the same yesterday, today, forever.
Not one dot or tittle from The Word is to be changes, added to or taken away.
The passage is as relevant today as it was in the beginning.
The world does not follow the Word of God, their hearts are hardened, they live in sin. They make jokes about The Word, they do not understand it, it is folly to them.
These verses are making clear to Saved Souls what is expected of men and women, v29-30 & v32confirms this.
But we as Christians should follow this teaching to the letter, be good examples to the world.
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this is a question; Could maybe, most wives in the institutional church are not "true christians' so they are not subject to the "Word of God" and feel no pleasure in obeying it or have the "power" to obey it, because they have not the "holy Spirit" living in them. For you cannot receive the "Joy" by dis obeying the Word of God. By disobedience to the Word of God, you grieve the "holy Spirit" of God. How can a "true Christian" live in this world with out the "Joy of The Holy Spirit" to endure? Living in disobedience in Christ = NO joy of the "holy Spirit" but that person grieves the "holy Spirit" of God! plain and simple.
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Probably... I think it's very likely. But again, that's another thread, another subject.
And even if the husbands are terrible husbands that don't love their wives very good, or lead the family at all...
wives are still supposed to respect and be subject to their husbands. Even if he isn't a Christian.
1Cor 7:13; And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.
1Cor 7:14; For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.
1Cor 7:15; Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.
1Cor 7:16; For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?
1Pet 3:1; In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives,
1Pet 3:2; as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior.
1Pet 3:3; Your adornment must not be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses;
1Pet 3:4; but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God.
1Pet 3:5; For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands;
1Pet 3:6; just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Many women say "he's not doing his part, so I'm not going to do mine".
What does him "not doing his part" have to do with being obedient to Gods word?
Does having a bad husband give an excuse not to?
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We cannot live without Joy brother, but we are talking here of true joy, not joy as the world knows it.
Regarding the Institutionalised church, which one are we talking about? Catholic, Protestant?
I cannot speak for the catholics on this topic, though have on may other relating to scripture (as we know)
But I can speak regarding the Church of England, of which I was part of for the first seven years of my saved life. I have attended quite a few, I have also met some of the nicest born again Christians ever, one brother of which I have been friends with for nearly thirty years, we currently only live about 2-3 miles apart, though did live 300 miles apart for some time, we remain close brothers in Christ, we do have fellowship together or did until the covid-19. There are many others I can think of who were truly born again, but there were many church goers also. I found the first seven years frustrating, I naturally linked with the saved souls, we are drawn together by the spirit, I remember saying to one brother around that time, why do you come here, don't you find it frustrating with so many lost souls., he had been a saved soul a long time. His reply was simple, this is where God wants me to be Paul. What can we say to that, with so many lost souls God had called him to the place of worship.
This remained with me, even now I stop and thing, there are born again believers in all places of worship, because God wants them to be there, the well don't need a doctor, there is a job to do, the harvest is ready but the workers were few.
The same applies I believe to the women we talk about here, there are some saved souls, some lost souls, the number varies from one place of worship to another. Some women in these places are faithful to The Word, some may be influenced by the world/devil, some may be saved and either obedient or disobedient, some may not yet be saved, some may be babes in Christ and have a lot to learn. So I wouldn't I don't think single out just Institutionalised Churches, there are weed amongst the crops everywhere.
Just me thinking aloud brother.
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Well, 1st one most examine how does Christ love HIs church in detail. How does He love us? does he gives us what ever we want? Does he teach us how to forsakes our selves for others? Does he tells us or command us to be content for what we have, for Godliness with contentment is of great gain. Does Christ commands us to be servants {slaves} to one another instead of "Kings and Queens' on earth, for He himself is our example. although he was God but humble himself as a man endure the cross. Does He not discipline and correct the church? "For whom the Lord loves, He discipline". Is his discipline not grievous?
If your Husband is to be called 'lord' in essence, notice small lettered here. Older women are you teaching the younger wives "how to Love your husbands"?
Is not Christ loving his church. are we as men to love our wives in such matters following in his foot steps.
Alright men, I am taking one for the team!
If your Husband is to be called 'lord' in essence, notice small lettered here. Older women are you teaching the younger wives "how to Love your husbands"?
Is not Christ loving his church. are we as men to love our wives in such matters following in his foot steps.
Alright men, I am taking one for the team!
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I agree!!!! i did not see a "iF" clause! It is unconditional love!!! Love me baby, all the time!
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Could it be most husband have no idea how to "love their wives as Christ loves the Church. Have zero idea how to lead, how to be Christ like. They wimp out like Adam .
Greetings Reba1
I wouldn't say Adam wimped out, he was tempted as we are tempted, he fell for it as we do too.
If a man or woman doesn't know Christ, has not received the Love of God and the Holy Spirit, they cannot love as Christ loves His Church. That said I must add there are caring loving lost souls out there, they are not all bad.
The whole world is crazy now, men used to be the bread winner, the one to go out and work to bring in money to supply for the family. Women used to be the wife, child minder, the one who looked after the home. Families were families then, not all loving but they were families, if the kids were trying the patience of the mum, there was always the words, wait till your dad gets home. Now a days families are split up and broken up, it is accepted one parent mum's is right, kids are tossed to and fro, from one to another.
How is a young man supposed to lead when he came from a family with no dad and no real leadership? It used to me that boys would want to be with their dad's learn from him, girls used to be with their mum's, learning from her, dolls and prams, learning how to look after little ones and the home.
It is not surprising, I think, the world has gone crazy, it is not surprizing hearts have hardened, it is not surprizing children are disobedient to their parent and have little to no respect for the elderly. All as prophesied in the latter days.
Bless you Reba1
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Greetings @PloughBoy
I agree with what you say, but. All this is what a believer things and does or aims to do.
The unsaved, God rejecters, do not accept The Word, it is folly to them.
Mix this cocktail a little and we have...
two saved souls - a house build on good ground.
a saved soul married to a lost soul - a battle ground
two lost souls - belong to sin, the world and the devil - anything goes
Then it depends what sort of home they have been brought up it. All the above plus broken marriages, abuse and more.
As saved souls, a peculiar people (to the world) we know God's Love, we have the Holy Spirit, Jesus is our Saviour and Lord, we follow The Word, it is The Truth.
In these days it seems there are a lot of weeds amongst the harvest.
Blessings
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i know that devil got his hands in relationship since Adam and Eve walked this earth. Most relationship start out like the devil is the chaperone, he tells the guy, open door for her, he tell hers to wipe the crumbs from off of his lips. He tells her, to put on some of that smell good on, that he likes. He tells him to hold her hand and call her "baby" and listen to every loving words that falls from her sweet lips. He tells him pay attention to those sweet lips never mind those words. The devils tells her, he is so nice he listens to me. LOL! Then sometime after the wedding or when the papers are sign! There is no excitement of doing anything, the Devil have finish that course off. Now The devil tells her, he snores to loud. She ready to go out, Devil tells him, why can't she cook? Stay at home, and put some heels on and put on a "Betty Crocker Dress". He ask her, her response "I aint". The devil tells her, he ain't no James Bond. So the Devil is there in the dating, coaching you into going beyond the boundaries of God that produce delights, and your friends backing him up, Then after Marriage he is still there whispering to coach the couple into a separation of all sorts and your friends backing him up, they all are playing the role of a double agent, even the view of the neighbors grass is much greener than your very own, that belongs to you. but the Bible has said: "stolen waters are sweet", sin has it own delights and attractiveness that will only produce death. Why? because GOD has commanded it, to be so!
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Could it be most husband have no idea how to "love their wives as Christ loves the Church. Have zero idea how to lead, how to be Christ like. They wimp out like Adam .
What should wives do if the husband is not a Christian role model?
If he lacks Biblical standards except in public?