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Nice verse, only problem is it speaks to the formation of a God before and after God, not during God. I will leave it at the MAN JESUS BECAME A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT.
and we are to be just like him. I'm sure you would consider that BECAME means it didn't exist in that form prior to becoming? And we definitely do not fit the description yet, but will in the future.
It's hard to call the children of God much less than their Father. So I guess we will have to wait and see what we shall become. Until then we keep the Faith.
and we are to be just like him. I'm sure you would consider that BECAME means it didn't exist in that form prior to becoming? And we definitely do not fit the description yet, but will in the future.
It's hard to call the children of God much less than their Father. So I guess we will have to wait and see what we shall become. Until then we keep the Faith.
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This would mean that God had to become a man in order to fulfill the death requirement. And I don't see God having ever Died. And since God raised up Jesus from the dead
he obviously didn't raise himself. And even Jesus saying" MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I" signifies 2 different entities." MY doctrine is not mine but he that sent me" again 2 different entities. "I have given them the words which thou hast given me." 2 entities again. On the cross "My God my God why hast thou forsaken me?" 2 entities.
In the scenario you present "Jesus was God" you deny the manhood of the Son of God which is the spirit of anti Christ according to 1John 4:2 "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God:
EVERY SPIRIT THAT CONFESSETH THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH IS OF GOD." 3-"AND EVERY SPIRIT THAT CONFESSETH NOT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH IS NOT OF GOD AND THIS IS THAT SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST. ....."
At the river Jordan we hear God saying"this is my belvoed Son in whom I am well pleased." How can God say that Jesus is his Son if Jesus is God? As God cannot lie!
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It speaks for itself that since God will never Go away or end, there will be no Gods formed before him nor after Him, but what about IN HIM? i.e. during. We came out from God we have our existence in God and shall return to God. So whats the point of coming out from God unless we are changed by the experience into something other than what we were in God to begin with? Why else create creation but to create children in his likeness just like his only BEGOTTEN SON Jesus. He is an Heir of God and so are we who are the JOINT-HEIRS of God with Christ that are to be glorified together. Guess the question really is what does glorification of his children mean? That they have Become LIFE GIVING SPIRITS just like their older BROTHER. Remember he calls us his BRETHREN, GOD refers to us as his sons. So you decide for yourself, not from my posts but let him show you.
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I will add one more thing to Isaiah you quoted: If God never sent Jesus into the world then our sins would still be with us and the Holy Ghost would never have been given.
So in sending his Son as a Man to bring in the time of the resurrection of the dead. God remains the Savior in that he loved us and sent his SON to be the payment for our sin.
So in sending his Son as a Man to bring in the time of the resurrection of the dead. God remains the Savior in that he loved us and sent his SON to be the payment for our sin.
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I never denied Jesus coming down and dying for our sins. I claimed that Jesus is God and now you are saying that I said he didn't die for our sins? I'm sorry you're so confused a man named Jesus Christ that was fully God and Man came and died for our sins. I've showed you plainly in scripture.
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Only one problem with what you say. God says he( Jesus) was his son, and God himself cannot lie or die, therefore Jesus (the Son of God) as he said more times that I can count was not God. But became a life giving spirit, call that what you will but he became something that he was not before his earthly ministry. And if Jesus were God then he could not call him Father for that would be a lie as he was his Son and we know he did not sin.
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What is born of flesh is flesh, Mary was flesh she did not give birth to God. This is Catholicism which has claimed this exact thing and as such they worship her as the mother of God. The Queen of Heaven.
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John 8:23-25 (KJV) And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
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Ye are of this world- sinners
I am not of this world- not a sinner
That verse references John 4:24-26 area where he is with the woman at the well telling her that they who worship God must do so in the spirit, can't do that if your dead in the spirit due to sin and trespass. Must have life in the spirit to worship God in the spirit. Then he moves on to tell her that he is the Messiah-Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
"For God sent not his SON into the world to condemn the world; but that the world THROUGH HIM might be saved." Again satisfying Isaiah where God says he is the savior, simple because he sent Jesus, not himself.
I am not of this world- not a sinner
That verse references John 4:24-26 area where he is with the woman at the well telling her that they who worship God must do so in the spirit, can't do that if your dead in the spirit due to sin and trespass. Must have life in the spirit to worship God in the spirit. Then he moves on to tell her that he is the Messiah-Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
"For God sent not his SON into the world to condemn the world; but that the world THROUGH HIM might be saved." Again satisfying Isaiah where God says he is the savior, simple because he sent Jesus, not himself.
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Agreed, his Kingdom exists in the spiritual realm and his Kings are just like him, spirits. Life giving spirits. When it is manifested there won't be many humans alive to see it but it will be spectacular. As the Lord God has said " Eye hath not seen nor ear heard the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."
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It's not a biblical doctrine, but nothing offends me.
Please, I am not getting it. Whom of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost is NOT a member of the so-called trinity.
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