Can you be both Liberal and Christian?

[William L. P.]

There are many factors in this discussion that you can say no or yes to so it cannot be discussed like it is all one question: NO.1 I do not have to right to judge anyone. It was said judge not lest you be judged on the same scales you judge others and you will be found wanting. NO.2 It is never right to kill another human being so no you cannot support abortion. NO.3 Homosexuality is not condoned in the Bible..Period. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for such things. So that also condemns same sex marriage. NO.4 You must conform your beliefs to fit Gods words. NOT the other way around. So I would seek answers for each thing in the Bible on an individual basis not try to group them all together. Satan is very busy right now trying to degrade Gods word in the churches and in society. Gods words has power this the Bible teaches READ the Bible and PRAY through out the reading for God to give you understanding and you will have your answers. Don't go looking for a church that will adjust to your beliefs but one that adheres to the word of God. "Lover your neighbor as yourself" it does not say love only those who love you and agree with you as people tend to do. I try to practice "Be no part of the World" "The whole world lies in the power of the wicked one"


Luke 6:27 ¶But I say to you who give ear to me, Have love for those who are against you, do good to those who have hate for you,
28 Give blessing to those who give you curses, say prayers for those who are cruel to you.
29 If a man gives you a blow on one side of your face, then let the other side be turned to him; from him who takes away your coat, do not keep back your robe.
30 Give to everyone who comes with a request, and if a man takes away your property, make no attempt to get it back again.
31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
32 If you have love for those who have love for you, what credit is it to you? for even sinners have love for those who have love for them.
33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is it to you? for even sinners do the same.
34 And if you let those have use of your money, from whom you are hoping to get it back, what credit is it to you? Even sinners do so to sinners, hoping to get back as much as they gave.
35 But be loving to those who are against you and do them good, and give them your money, not giving up hope, and your reward will be great and you will be the sons of the Most High: for he is kind to evil men, and to those who have hard hearts.
36 Be full of pity, even as your Father is full of pity.
37 Be not judges of others, and you will not be judged: do not give punishment to others, and you will not get punishment yourselves: make others free, and you will be made free:
38 Give, and it will be given to you; good measure, crushed down, full and running over, they will give to you. For in the same measure as you give, it will be given to you again.

1 Peter 4:8 And most of all be warm in your love for one another; because in love there is forgiveness for sins without number:
9 Keep open house for all with a glad heart;
10 Making distribution among one another of whatever has been given to you, like true servants of the unmeasured grace of God.

1Corinthians 13:1-13

 

[hiep]

I'm 95% conservative. Liberal is to immoral. Also, its best to conserve because it sucks to lose a good thing[what we have now].

 

[Spazz]

Sure. If you believe that the government should let the people decide for themselves what’s right or wrong through their own free will (with a bit of guidance to ensure that there’s no chaos), then you’re a liberal, and, in my opinion, there’s nothing wrong with that.
In fact, there are some Liberal ideas that prove to be more beneficial to a conservative society. Liberals, for example, want to legalize drugs. At first glance, you may think that as horrible and condoning an evil society. But if you look at other countries where drugs are legal, then you'd see that drug abuse/addiction is almost nonexistent, and instead of locking people up for being an addict, these people are receiving much needed help. Low drug abuse/addiction rates sounds ideal for a conservative society, but the way to achieve that goal is pretty liberal.

 

[LordKnows]

No, I do not believe it to be possible.

 

[Brad Huber]

Sure. If you believe that the government should let the people decide for themselves what’s right or wrong through their own free will (with a bit of guidance to ensure that there’s no chaos), then you’re a liberal, and, in my opinion, there’s nothing wrong with that.
In fact, there are some Liberal ideas that prove to be more beneficial to a conservative society. Liberals, for example, want to legalize drugs. At first glance, you may think that as horrible and condoning an evil society. But if you look at other countries where drugs are legal, then you'd see that drug abuse/addiction is almost nonexistent, and instead of locking people up for being an addict, these people are receiving much needed help. Low drug abuse/addiction rates sounds ideal for a conservative society, but the way to achieve that goal is pretty liberal.

But liberals dont want people to decide for themselves whats right or wrong, they want ppl to choose an amoral guideline even against their will to appease those with poor morals. They want christians to give up speaking about their beliefs and to adhere to lies to make others feel better. Liberals want to allow women to kill their own children if they are inconvenient. They want to take away the ability of people to defend themselves so that chaos reigns, and to allow chaos on border security to allow any evil person in the country, as long as they vote illegally for liberal politians. Liberals literally want as much chaos in this country as possible to make way for the one world govt that the evil one will control as we head toward armagedon.

 

[Hekuran]

You need to be careful with your accusations. My outlook is broadly liberal and I want none of the things you say I do.

 

[Brad Huber]

You need to be careful with your accusations. My outlook is broadly liberal and I want none of the things you say I do.

I am not accusing you. I am telling you what AMERICAN liberals in politics want to do, clearly state they want to do it. They often use false speaking to make it sound different, but if you have the Holy Spirit gift of discernment, which is common to all who acknowledge and utilize the gifts, its obvious.

 

[Hekuran]

Still think you need to be more careful. Your first statement didn't say that your comments were restricted to America. I doubt very much that many American liberals would recognise themselves in your description of them.

 

[Brad Huber]

Still think you need to be more careful. Your first statement didn't say that your comments were restricted to America. I doubt very much that many American liberals would recognise themselves in your description of them.

The original poster WAS talking about american liberals. Thats what I was addressing. I didnt know I had to be careful to state truths, you make yourself sound like you are PC police. As to what american liberals think of what I say, if the truth hurts their feelings, better their feelings are hurt, then to stay beholden to the lies that abound, and be led like a lamb to the slaughter, by those who do lie to them. Politics is NOT something to ignore or shy away from, many of its leaders want to make laws based on immoral ideals and then enforce those laws with punishments of ever increasing severity. If the leaders of your nation tell you are not allowed to teach your children christian morals, or that those teachings must be modified to appease immoral people, then you need to decide who is your master.... God or man. And before you bring up adhering to the laws of the nation as per scripture, if they conflict with the laws of God, and you are able to have a part in making that bad situation better, and you do nothing or even worse, encourage others to do nothing.... you have become the enemy of God.

 

[Spazz]

But liberals dont want people to decide for themselves whats right or wrong, they want ppl to choose an amoral guideline even against their will to appease those with poor morals. They want christians to give up speaking about their beliefs and to adhere to lies to make others feel better. Liberals want to allow women to kill their own children if they are inconvenient. They want to take away the ability of people to defend themselves so that chaos reigns, and to allow chaos on border security to allow any evil person in the country, as long as they vote illegally for liberal politians. Liberals literally want as much chaos in this country as possible to make way for the one world govt that the evil one will control as we head toward armagedon.

I live in a blue state, and attended a very liberal college, full of very liberal students, who believe very liberal things, and I have to say that never once have I met or seen a liberal that believes even a fraction of what you just said. Before I even get into what you said, I want to ask you, do you believe that a person should receive: a minimum sentence of 5 years for drug offenses that involved 5 grams of crack, 500 grams of cocaine, 1 kilogram of heroin, 40 grams of a substance with a detectable amount of fentanyl, 5 grams of methamphetamine, 100 kilograms or 100 plants of marijuana, and other drugs (21 U.S.C. 841(b)(1)(B), P.L. 99-570). That law also required a minimum sentence of 10 years for drug offenses that involved 50 grams of crack, 5 kilograms of cocaine, 1 kilogram of heroin, 400 grams of a substance with a detectable amount of fentanyl, 50 grams of methamphetamine, 1000 kilograms or 1000 plants of marijuana, and other drugs. Mind you, crack is cheaper than cocaine, so people of low income, typically black, were arrested for using crack and given a mandatory minimum of 10 years, while people who used cocaine, the more expensive drug, where typically white, and were given an minimum of 5 years. Does this seem right to you?
How about this. Should a person be thrown into jail just because they couldn't post bail? Let's say we have two people who committed a crime, the same crime, let's say for this example it's a nonviolent felony, like Robbery 2 (which is when if your with your friends, and one of them decides to mug a person, that person committing the crime would be charged with Robbery, and since you were with them, you would be charged with Rob 2). Let's also say for this example that bail has been set for $10,000 The first person is rich, so they're able to post bail without an issue. They could work on their case properly with a lawyer, gather fresh evidence and witness testimony, and have a proper court case. The second person, however, is poor, and couldn't post bail. So what happens? They get thrown into jail for weeks, months, sometimes years. They could work on their case while on the inside, sure, but it's not as effective. Also, studies have shown that people who are thrown into jail are more likely to recidivate. So even if the case is dropped or dismissed, who's to say that that person won't commit a different crime to support themselves. After all, people who are upended from their lives to await their trial tend to have a lot to lose, like rent, their jobs, family, you name it. This sounds pretty messed up, and this is all because one person was rich enough to post bail, and the other wasn't.
Okay okay, but how about this, do you agree with long prison sentences? Even though other countries like Germany, who focus more on rehabilitation than incarceration show that less people recidivate and crime rates are relatively low compared to the US?
These are three arguments that focus on aspects of the criminal justice system, and, funny enough, it's the "evil liberals" that are arguing that we should remove mandatory minimums and treat drug addiction like a disease that needs to be treated. It's the liberals who apparently want nothing more than to infringe "chaos" onto are society are the ones that want to rehabilitate criminals and keep them from returning to their jail cells for petty crimes. It's the "corrupt" liberals who believe that we should abolish the death penalty. It's the "immoral" liberals that want people to have a quick and speedy trial at court, and want to remove the blatantly ineffective and not so subtly racist practice of bail so that all people, rich and poor, can have a fair shot at the law.
So yeah, it's kind of scary to think that Liberals believe that women should have a right to choose if they need to have an abortion due to their circumstances, or that they believe that people shouldn't be able to buy their guns from Walmart with the same relative ease that it is to buy a flatscreen tv, and its such a darn shame that liberals believe that all people, regardless of what they're into or who they choose to spend their lives with should be treated with the same human dignity and respect that everyone has. It's also a darn shame that liberals believe in the right of public education and laissez-fair economics. It's also a darn-diddly shame that liberals believe that people should not be thrown into cages, seperated from their children, and given nothing more than a newspaper to sleep, squished together like animals.
Your problem is that you have a very black and white view on an ideology that is much more complex then you've been led on. I know for a fact that you agree with at least one of the point that I made above, and, surprise surprise, every single point I made in this essay of a response is a liberal ideology. Does that mean that you're going to Hell? Or that you want to help bring the next armageddon? No, it just means that you're a decent human being who want better things for your country, and those ideas just happen to align with liberal ideologies.
I don't know which extremist liberal group you've been talking to. The only places where I hear this extreme-left garbage like that is in youtube cringe compilations and "Ben Shapiro Destroys with Facts and Logic!!" Videos. Aside from that, I can assure you that most normal people, liberal, centrist, and conservative alike, do not agree with this fantasy. So again, my answer to this forum is yes, you can be a christian and believe in liberal ideologies.

 

[readytogrow]

Youre wasting your time, they watch Fox news, not rational when it comes to politics

 

[Spazz]

Youre wasting your time, they watch Fox news, not rational when it comes to politics

Haha I guess I got carried away. I have an associates degree in criminal justice, so I've been taught a lot of Liberal and Conservative politics, and seeing this thread is too much lmao.

 

[Hekuran]

The original poster WAS talking about american liberals. Thats what I was addressing. I didnt know I had to be careful to state truths, you make yourself sound like you are PC police. As to what american liberals think of what I say, if the truth hurts their feelings, better their feelings are hurt, then to stay beholden to the lies that abound, and be led like a lamb to the slaughter, by those who do lie to them. Politics is NOT something to ignore or shy away from, many of its leaders want to make laws based on immoral ideals and then enforce those laws with punishments of ever increasing severity. If the leaders of your nation tell you are not allowed to teach your children christian morals, or that those teachings must be modified to appease immoral people, then you need to decide who is your master.... God or man. And before you bring up adhering to the laws of the nation as per scripture, if they conflict with the laws of God, and you are able to have a part in making that bad situation better, and you do nothing or even worse, encourage others to do nothing.... you have become the enemy of God.

My point was that what you have said is not true.

 

[Spazz]

clarity

The long waits on death row is entirely due to appeals. Even serial killers can apply for an appeal, over and over being rejected, until they die naturally or get a case reviewed or receive a pardon. As the nation grows more liberal, the chances of being freed increase.

Late reply but that is not correct. When people make an appeal they are not necessarily freed, but sent to life in prison without parole (which is the alternative to death row). Life without parole is also shown to have the same affect as those who sit on death row, except instead of waiting to die by lethal injection, they're waiting to die by old age.
Executive Clemency
Executive clemency is the power held by a governor or other body to grant relief to a person facing execution. The governor may postpone an execution in order to allow time for further review or may commute a defendant's death sentence to a lesser sentence, such as of life without parole.
So, don't worry, the government isn't going to allow convicted serial killers back on the streets. That's not how this works.

 

[readytogrow]

Haha I guess I got carried away. I have an associates degree in criminal justice, so I've been taught a lot of Liberal and Conservative politics, and seeing this thread is too much lmao.

I hear yah, If you read the book of Acts you would see that whole book is straight from the liberal play book.

Abortion is what keeps these conservatives blind to the other garbage policy the republicans have.
Yes abortion is terrible, but what also terrible is caring for infants while they are in their mama, but not giving a darn when they are out of their mama.
Not giving a darn about their health, not giving a darn about their well being, and not giving a darn about anything if they were not born in the same country as you.

 

[ForeverinHim]

Of course you can be both, I don’t see why not.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Do you believe it is a Woman's right to abort a perfectly normal pregnancy?

 

[ForeverinHim]

Do you believe it is a Woman's right to abort a perfectly normal pregnancy?

If her health/life is on the line, I believe she should have the choice to decide. But any reason aside from life or death, I don’t think it should be allowed. And even then, I don’t think it’s okay to abort regardless of the circumstances.
But I won’t judge either way.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Agreed. So then, what about the Liberal being a Christian? I know of no Liberal that belives like that. As far as I know Liberals are Progressives and they believe it is a woman's body and she has the right to abort FOR any reason. Also, I believe they feel Gays should be married in a Church. Do you know any "Liberals" that differ in these views?

 

[ForeverinHim]

Agreed. So then, what about the Liberal being a Christian? I know of no Liberal that belives like that. As far as I know Liberals are Progressives and they believe it is a woman's body and she has the right to abort FOR any reason. Also, I believe they feel Gays should be married in a Church. Do you know any "Liberals" that differ in these views?

Sure, just like how I know a few conservatives who believe that there’s a time and place for an abortion and that gun control should be a national practice. Every liberal or conservative ideology comes as unique as the person who carries them. It’s unfair to group a single, complex ideology by what a majority of extreme or highly vocal individuals say.
that being said, there are Christians on this site who don’t advocate for the alienation of homosexuals from the church, and I know plenty of Christians who are sympathetic to the “my body my choice” reasoning, but I don’t think I’ve met any liberals who believe in the right to abort for “ANY reason”, but then again that statement comes off as rather vague.