Paul's Gospel and the Gospels

Quantrill · Apr 11, 2019

The majority of what Jesus Christ preached was not directed to the Church but to Israel. See (Rom. 15:8) And it had much to do with the Kingdom of God to Israel, or the Kingdom after Israel's rejection of Christ.

Paul's gospel came later. And it came from the resurrected Jesus Christ. (Gal. 1:11-12) And it is Paul's gospel, which is located in all of his writings in the New Testament, most especially found in the book of (Romans), that is directly related to the Church of Jesus Christ. (Rom. 16:25)

It has been said by some that Paul knew nothing of Jesus. That is not true. He knew the resurrected Christ. And he was given revelation that the other disciples wern't. All that the disciples had, added nothing to Paul's knowledge of Jesus Christ. (Gal. 2:1-6) But what Paul preached was difficult for them to understand. (2 Peter 3:16)

Therefore, the Church today needs to quit centering on the 'Sermon on the Mount' as that which the Church is under and focus more on Paul's gospel as found completely in his epistles and as I said, fully in the book of (Romans)

Quantrill

Bendito · Apr 11, 2019

Quantrill said:
The majority of what Jesus Christ preached was not directed to the Church but to Israel. See (Rom. 14:8) And it had much to do with the Kingdom of God to Israel, or the Kingdom after Israel's rejection of Christ.

Paul's gospel came later. And it came from the resurrected Jesus Christ. (Gal. 1:11-12) And it is Paul's gospel, which is located in all of his writings in the New Testament, most especially found in the book of (Romans), that is directly related to the Church of Jesus Christ. (Rom. 16:25)

It has been said by some that Paul knew nothing of Jesus. That is not true. He knew the resurrected Christ. And he was given revelation that the other disciples wern't. All that the disciples had, added nothing to Paul's knowledge of Jesus Christ. (Gal. 2:1-6) But what Paul preached was difficult for them to understand. (2 Peter 3:16)

Therefore, the Church today needs to quit centering on the 'Sermon on the Mount' as that which the Church is under and focus more on Paul's gospel as found completely in his epistles and as I said, fully in the book of (Romans)

Quantrill

Everything! Every thing that Jesus taught to the Jews applies to us now!
Romans 11:17

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Romans 11:19

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

Romans 11:23

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

Romans 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

We've been grafted in to the Jewish line...Adopted by the Father....Do you know? An adopted son, by covenant, has a stronger position than a son born into the family! We cannot be rejected by the covenant partners.....

Quantrill · Apr 12, 2019

Bendito said:
Everything! Every thing that Jesus taught to the Jews applies to us now!
Romans 11:17

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Romans 11:19

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

Romans 11:23

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

Romans 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

We've been grafted in to the Jewish line...Adopted by the Father....Do you know? An adopted son, by covenant, has a stronger position than a son born into the family! We cannot be rejected by the covenant partners.....

Everything Jesus said is true, and we can make application of it. But most that He addressed was to the Jews and the Kingdom, not the Church. Just like I showed you in (Rom. 15:8) The Sermon on the Mount are the rules and characteristics of the Kingdom that was being offered and preached. (Matt. 4:17) (3:1-2) (Matt. 5-7) Application can be made to us in the Church of these things, but they are not given for the Church or the Christian to operate under today.

The Church is in the Kingdom, it is not the Kingdom. The verses you quoted prove that the Gentiles have been brought into the family of God. They have been made partakers of the covenants with Israel. This does not mean they become Jews.

Concerning 'adoption' we are not adopted children. We are true born-again sons of God. We are true children of God. Adoption in the Scripture is not as adoption in the U.S. It speaks to an adult son placement.

Quantrill

Hekuran · Apr 12, 2019

One gospel. Paul, I'm sure would be horrified to think that anybody believed his teaching was separate from Jesus'. It's a single coherent story from Genesis to Revelation.

And of course, all four gospel accounts were written for the church at about the same time Paul was preaching and writing.

Sue D. · Apr 12, 2019

All of Scripture / God's Word / has been inspired by Him through the Holy Spirit to men that He chose. God spoke Through Paul to write a lot Of the New Testament -- the Prison Epistles. He spoke through many other men of His choosing. And it Is their writings that we read. God's Inspired Word to all of us.

Bendito · Apr 12, 2019

Quantrill said:
Everything Jesus said is true, and we can make application of it. But most that He addressed was to the Jews and the Kingdom, not the Church. Just like I showed you in (Rom. 15:8) The Sermon on the Mount are the rules and characteristics of the Kingdom that was being offered and preached. (Matt. 4:17) (3:1-2) (Matt. 5-7) Application can be made to us in the Church of these things, but they are not given for the Church or the Christian to operate under today.

The Church is in the Kingdom, it is not the Kingdom. The verses you quoted prove that the Gentiles have been brought into the family of God. They have been made partakers of the covenants with Israel. This does not mean they become Jews.

Concerning 'adoption' we are not adopted children. We are true born-again sons of God. We are true children of God. Adoption in the Scripture is not as adoption in the U.S. It speaks to an adult son placement.

Quantrill

Jesus was speaking to His people. By adoption, we ARE His people...That means the four gospels are for us. We are adopted through the covenant between Jesus and the Father.
You can believe whatever you want though. It is your right.

Dovegiven · Apr 12, 2019

Bendito said:
Jesus was speaking to His people. By adoption, we ARE His people...That means the four gospels are for us. We are adopted through the covenant between Jesus and the Father.
You can believe whatever you want though. It is your right.

I would offer it is an "alternative position" to take, not a "right".

Bendito · Apr 12, 2019

Dovegiven said:
I would offer it is an "alternative position" to take, not a "right".

Ayuh

Quantrill · Apr 13, 2019

Hekuran said:
One gospel. Paul, I'm sure would be horrified to think that anybody believed his teaching was separate from Jesus'. It's a single coherent story from Genesis to Revelation.

And of course, all four gospel accounts were written for the church at about the same time Paul was preaching and writing.

Actually, there are at least 3 gospels given in Scripture. 1.) The Gospel of the Kingdom. (Matt. 3:2, 4:17, 24:14) 2.) The Gospel of Grace, which is also called by Paul as his Gospel. (Acts 20:24) (Rom. 2:16) 3.) The everlasting Gospel, which is spoken by angels. (Rev. 14:6-7)

I never said Paul's teaching was separate from Jesus. How could it be. I showed you that Paul got his gospel from the resurrected Jesus Christ. (Gal. 1:11-12) But the subject matter of what the resurrected Christ gave to Paul was hidden from the beginning of the world. (Eph. 3:1-12)

The whole Bible is for the Church, from Genesis to Revelation. But we have to pay attention to what the Church is directly under and responsible to God for. For example, Adam and Eve in the garden. They were given the command to take care of the garden and they could eat of every tree except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. This is a truth that we in the Church continually mine. But, we are not directly under any such command from God. It is for us, but not directly to us.

Quantrill

Quantrill · Apr 13, 2019

Bendito said:
Jesus was speaking to His people. By adoption, we ARE His people...That means the four gospels are for us. We are adopted through the covenant between Jesus and the Father.
You can believe whatever you want though. It is your right.

Yes, Jesus was speaking to His people which were mainly Jews in Israel as I showed you in (Rom. 15:8). Paul was given by Christ another gospel . (Gal. 1:11-12) This had never been preached before. (Eph. 3:1-12)

No, we are God's people through real birth. We are not adopted into the family of God, in the sense you are using adoption. We are born into the family of God by the new birth. We truly are of our Father.

Adoption in Scripture speaks to the adult son placement of a believer. It is when we who are children of God come to the place of maturity. When we are born again, we are children of God. Hopefully we will mature and progress to the adoption as an adult son. Till then we are a child, and no different than a servant and are under tutors until the time appointed by the Father. (Gal. 3:28-4:5) That is our adoption.

Quantrill

Hekuran · Apr 13, 2019

One gospel. From the beginning to the end of time. Paul had a distinct calling, and presented his message in an appropriate way for a non-Jewish audience.

As for Jesus' teaching. It is binding on all who claim to live under Jesus' Kingdom rule. Look at the lead up to the sermon on the mount. In Matthew 4, Jesus is tested in the wilderness, gathers his first disciples, and tours the villages in Gallilee healing ando proclaiming the good news of the kingdom.

The sermon outlines the values and principles of the kingdom. If Jesus is still king, these principles remain.

And what was Paul preaching as he awaited trial in Rome? It's Luke's final word on Paul's ministry...

'He proclaimed the kingdom of God and taught about the Lord Jesus Christ—with all boldness and without hindrance!'

B-A-C · Apr 13, 2019

Hekuran said:
One gospel. From the beginning to the end of time.

Amen! I would put a triple like on that post if I could.

Hekuran said:
The sermon outlines the values and principles of the kingdom. If Jesus is still king, these principles remain.

It seems for some... they would rather have Paul be king.

Matt 28:19; "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
Matt 28:20; teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

Gal 1:6; I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
Gal 1:7; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8; But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
Gal 1:9; As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

Paul taught the gospel of Christ, he said if anyone teaches you differently, they are to be accursed. There is no "other gospel".
Who did Paul get his teaching from?

Gal 1:11; For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
Gal 1:12; For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Gal 1:15; But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother's womb and called me through His grace, was pleased
Gal 1:16; to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood,

It would hard to prove this, but many believe Paul was in Arabia three years learning from Jesus. In any case we do know he didn't learn this from "flesh and blood".

Gal 1:17; nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went away to Arabia, and returned once more to Damascus.
Gal 1:18; Then three years later I went up to Jerusalem to become acquainted with Cephas, and stayed with him fifteen days.
Gal 1:19; But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother.

B-A-C · Apr 13, 2019

Quantrill said:
But most that He addressed was to the Jews and the Kingdom, not the Church.

So you don't believe the church and "the kingdom" are the same thing?
What exactly do you think Paul preached that was different from the Sernon on the mount?

Quantrill · Apr 13, 2019

B-A-C said:
So you don't believe the church and "the kingdom" are the same thing?
What exactly do you think Paul preached that was different from the Sernon on the mount?

No, you don't get to isolate one sentence of all I have said and supported. Go back. Explain to me what (Rom. 15:8) says. Explain to me what (Gal. 1:11-12) says. Explain to me what (Eph. 3:5-9) says. All of which I used to support what I said. Then I will answer your question.

I did make a mistake in the opening post. It should have been (Rom. 15:8) and not (14:8). Though I did correct it in post [HASH=2070]#(10[/HASH]).

Quantrill

Theo102 · Apr 23, 2019

Romans 1
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Habakuk 2
4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
5 Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:

2 Corinthians 11
5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.

Bendito · Apr 25, 2019

Quantrill said:
Actually, there are at least 3 gospels given in Scripture. 1.) The Gospel of the Kingdom. (Matt. 3:2, 4:17, 24:14) 2.) The Gospel of Grace, which is also called by Paul as his Gospel. (Acts 20:24) (Rom. 2:16) 3.) The everlasting Gospel, which is spoken by angels. (Rev. 14:6-7)

I never said Paul's teaching was separate from Jesus. How could it be. I showed you that Paul got his gospel from the resurrected Jesus Christ. (Gal. 1:11-12) But the subject matter of what the resurrected Christ gave to Paul was hidden from the beginning of the world. (Eph. 3:1-12)

The whole Bible is for the Church, from Genesis to Revelation. But we have to pay attention to what the Church is directly under and responsible to God for. For example, Adam and Eve in the garden. They were given the command to take care of the garden and they could eat of every tree except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. This is a truth that we in the Church continually mine. But, we are not directly under any such command from God. It is for us, but not directly to us.

Quantrill

Ok...So you split one gospe.l into three parts. Its still one gospel..... All of Pauls teaching is backed up by Jesus' teaching. As for the rest of your speil here....Yeah...well....Its garbage.....and I'll probably be chastised for not being PC for putting it that way. A gospel from the angels indeed!

Theo102 · Apr 25, 2019

Bendito said:
Ok...So you split one gospe.l into three parts. Its still one gospel..... All of Pauls teaching is backed up by Jesus' teaching.

No, Paul's teaching about the emphasis on spirit and deprecation of the flesh wasn't part of the teachings of the Messiah.
The Messiah repudiated blood sacrifice but Paul endorsed it via his doctrine of vicarious sacrifice.
The Messiah condemned the Pharisees but Paul claimed to be a Pharisee while he was teaching his doctrine to the Christians.

Paul's summary of the law was a secular version of what was taught by the Messiah:

Galatians 5
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22
35 Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Bendito · Apr 25, 2019

Theo102 said:
No, Paul's teaching about the emphasis on spirit and deprecation of the flesh wasn't part of the teachings of the Messiah.
The Messiah repudiated blood sacrifice but Paul endorsed it via his doctrine of vicarious sacrifice.
The Messiah condemned the Pharisees but Paul claimed to be a Pharisee while he was teaching his doctrine to the Christians.

Paul's summary of the law was a secular version of what was taught by the Messiah:

Galatians 5
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22
35 Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Some critics of Christianity try to set Paul against Jesus. They will often claim that what Paul taught is not what Jesus said and that present-day Christianity is derived not from Jesus, but from Paul's teaching. This is an erroneous claim that does not fit the facts. It is easy to take various scriptures out of context and try and set one person against another -- as many critics of Christianity have done. Nevertheless, we can confidently expect that Jesus and Paul taught the same thing. Granted, Paul focused more on theological issues than Jesus did, but nothing Paul said is contrary to Christ.

Luke wrote both the Gospel of Luke and the book of Acts. In Acts 9 Luke records the events surrounding Paul's conversion. We see that Jesus himself called Paul and sent him to be an apostle. If Paul and Jesus are not in agreement, then why would Jesus call Paul to be his apostle? Jesus is God in flesh and would, therefore, know all things. Jesus would certainly have known what Paul would teach which, it seems, is one of the reasons Jesus called him.

In addition, we can quickly see by examining what Jesus said we find parallels in what Paul said. Following is a brief alphabetical list comparing the words of Christ with the words of Paul. We can clearly see that they were indeed in agreement and that the critics who would set Paul against Christ don't know what they're talking about.

Alive in Christ
1. Jesus
2. 1. "For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes," (John 5:21).
3. Paul
4. 1. "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive," (1 Cor. 15:22).
Anxiety
1. Jesus
2. 1. "For this reason I say to you, do not be anxious for your life, as to what you shall eat, or what you shall drink; nor for your body, as to what you shall put on. Is not life more than food, and the body than clothing?" (Matt. 6:25).
3. Paul
4. 1. "Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God," (Phil. 4:6).
Atonement
1. Jesus
2. 1. "I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep," (John 10:11)
3. Paul
4. 1. "and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you, and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma," (Eph. 5:2).
Deity of Jesus
1. Jesus
2. 1. "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am," (John 8:58). Compare with Exodus 3:14, "And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, "I AM has sent me to you."
3. Paul
4. 1. "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form," (Col. 2:9). See also, Phil. 2:5-8.
Forgiveness
1. Jesus
2. 1. "For if you forgive men for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you," (Matt. 6:14).
3. Paul
4. 1. "And be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you," (Eph. 4:32).
Jesus is the only way
1. Jesus
2. 1. "Jesus said to him, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me," (John 14:6).
3. Paul
4. 1. "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (1 Tim. 2:5).
Justification by faith
1. Jesus
2. 1. "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life," (John 5:24). See also John 3:16-18; Luke 18:9-13.
3. Paul
4. 1. "Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom. 5:1).
Law, the
1. Jesus
2. 1. "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill," (Matt. 5:17).
3. Paul
4. 1. "Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law," (Rom. 3:31).
  2. "What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise," (Gal. 3:17).
Law, living the
1. Jesus
2. 1. "You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself," (Matt. 19:18-19).
3. Paul
4. 1. "Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; love therefore is the fulfillment of the law," (Rom. 13:8-10)
Predestination
1. Jesus
2. 1. "Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given," (Matt. 19:11).
  2. "All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out," (John 6:37).
  3. "No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day," (John 6:44).
  4. "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me, unless it has been granted him from the Father," (John 6:65).
3. Paul
4. 1. "He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will... 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will," (Eph. 1:5,11).
Resurrection
1. Jesus
2. 1. "The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men; 23 and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day," (Matt. 17:22-23).
3. Paul
4. 1. "For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures," (1 Cor. 15:3-4).
Rewards and Punishment
1. Jesus
2. 1. "For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels; and will then recompense every man according to his deeds," (Matt. 16:27).
3. Paul
4. 1. "who will render to every man according to his deeds," (Rom. 2:6).
Sinfulness of man
1. Jesus
2. 1. "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. 20 "These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man," (Matt. 15:19-20).
3. Paul
4. 1. "There is none who understands, There is none who seeks for God; 12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, There is not even one," (Rom. 3:11-12).
Tradition
1. Jesus
2. 1. "And why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?" (Matt. 15:3).
3. Paul
4. 1. "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ," (Col. 2:8).
Works Righteousness denied
1. Jesus
2. 1. "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness," (Matt. 7:22-23).
3. Paul
4. 1. "Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "The righteous man shall live by faith," (Gal. 3:11).

As you can see, this brief list demonstrates that Jesus and Paul both taught the same thing.

M.S.

Dovegiven · Apr 25, 2019

Quantrill said:
The majority of what Jesus Christ preached was not directed to the Church but to Israel. See (Rom. 14:8) And it had much to do with the Kingdom of God to Israel, or the Kingdom after Israel's rejection of Christ.

Paul's gospel came later. And it came from the resurrected Jesus Christ. (Gal. 1:11-12) And it is Paul's gospel, which is located in all of his writings in the New Testament, most especially found in the book of (Romans), that is directly related to the Church of Jesus Christ. (Rom. 16:25)

It has been said by some that Paul knew nothing of Jesus. That is not true. He knew the resurrected Christ. And he was given revelation that the other disciples wern't. All that the disciples had, added nothing to Paul's knowledge of Jesus Christ. (Gal. 2:1-6) But what Paul preached was difficult for them to understand. (2 Peter 3:16)

Therefore, the Church today needs to quit centering on the 'Sermon on the Mount' as that which the Church is under and focus more on Paul's gospel as found completely in his epistles and as I said, fully in the book of (Romans)

Quantrill

Jesus would not have taught contrary to His New Testament gospel. Not to a single soul. Peter's preaching was right-on, confirming Paul and Jesus. Not one idea of Jesus was wasted on Jews. Take the whole together as one volume. All of Jesus' sermons are applicable to modern Christians. If those were anti-christ in nature, why should any disciple have carried them on as truth?

Theo102 · Apr 25, 2019

Bendito said:
Some critics of Christianity try to set Paul against Jesus. They will often claim that what Paul taught is not what Jesus said and that present-day Christianity is derived not from Jesus, but from Paul's teaching. This is an erroneous claim that does not fit the facts. It is easy to take various scriptures out of context and try and set one person against another -- as many critics of Christianity have done.

What do you think is out of context re my #17, reposted below?

Theo102 said:
No, Paul's teaching about the emphasis on spirit and deprecation of the flesh wasn't part of the teachings of the Messiah.
The Messiah repudiated blood sacrifice but Paul endorsed it via his doctrine of vicarious sacrifice.
The Messiah condemned the Pharisees but Paul claimed to be a Pharisee while he was teaching his doctrine to the Christians.

Paul's summary of the law was a secular version of what was taught by the Messiah:

Galatians 5
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22
35 Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

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