thoughts on Luke 22-31;32

[Dovegiven]

Dear @Dovegiven
Appreciate feeling that fear brother!

A paralyzing fear! So, totally overwhelming to me that I was immobilized I could barely speak and had no clarity of thought whatsoever, but the "fear" and every thought the enemy could throw at me in generating it. For me it took shouting out the name of Jesus, which broke that fear and then jumping out of my seat and running out the door to go about the task that needed doing!!!

For me it was and is the realization that there is power in the name of Jesus, and whenever that fear tries to present itself again.....it takes off at the name above all other names Jesus!!!

Thanks for reminding me of that memory brother.

Apologies for diverting from the subject, to post this.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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I think your comment is on track with the topic. That incident happened a few years ago, beginning with a large annual meeting of local church leaders, including pastors, teachers, and various Christian ministries. It's a fund raiser for a list of community projects. The keynote speaker was a prison chaplain. He covered the many blessings and the hazards of his ministry, recounting some terrifying moments, once when caught up in a revolt that lasted half a day. He was sheltered by some Christian prisoners and a guard until his area was cleared. I was blessed with the group, deeply appreciating his faithfulness of 30 years doing that. When the time came I put a check in, glad someone was doing the "dirty work" few would choose to do, and joined the others for catch-up small talk. The preacher stood at the exit, shaking hands, blessing. When I shook his hand is when he made that request. It totally caught me off guard. I was shocked. "Me?, Why me?" I had never dreamed of doing such a thing. He said words I didn't remember, but do remember "The Lord pointed you out. I have been praying for a partner. At least pray about this." I prayed alright. "Lord, please give him an experienced man!" Eventually was added what I remembered Jesus prayed "Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done." That didn't make me feel any better.

I realize now it was Satan or a demon over my shoulder, words of discouragement, taking advantage of any level of fear or insufficiency, though at the time I didn't suspect that. I think it was more of a fear like the first time I was part of non-drill general quarters and had to help get helicopters below deck. We never knew what it was about, as nothing bad happened except for a lot more training to shorten the time taken for that task. But the guys on deck in an attack are not likely to survive. Training gets you through, though I had no heads up for what the preacher wanted done.

That fear that night was irrational because I wasn't specifically prepared to do something new like that for God, yet was full of the word of God and power of the Spirit to do things I like doing. I had only done occasional preaching, regular Bible classes, online chat since that first began on the internet, and street witnessing. Although I never experienced a bad incident in those prison visits, I have learned Satan indeed seeks to sift workers like wheat, not bothering with folks only warming a pew. But I also realize when wheat is sifted, the chaff blows away, and the seed remains. I'm still learning to always be the remaining seed if that happens. If it happens it would be because I let my guard down worse than that night. Being sifted is also a regular chore at harvest time, not a curse except maybe for the workers' hard work, like I've seen at Indian tribes harvesting wild rice manually. If Satan were to do the sifting, it isn't me or a friend sifting. I don't think I have yet been sifted by the Devil, and don't figure on that since I observe being submitted to God, which includes accepting His chastening and flogging when needed, resisting the Devil, and having abiding faith he will flee from me.

Peter was full of self confidence and lack of comprehension of the mission of Jesus, wanting what Peter wanted. So I will guard myself against repeating his error. I will also not argue with anyone who should be the greater of two or ten or a thousand in God's Kingdom.

 

[Christ4Ever]

@Dovegiven

Thank-you for sharing part of your life, and your words. Well said brother, well said.

 

[Dovegiven]

@Dovegiven,


I believe also that we are running a race and the race is not against other human beings. As you know we are fighting literally against spiritual beings that seek to take our peace from us and our victory. There are many different anxieties of life that people are born with as well as many different characteristics that is not of God that must be overcome. God is our deliverer and He speaks to us about what we need to do in order to be delivered of a spirit we wrestle against.

When I understand emotions, I liken them to the enemies of Israel that were seeking to prevent them from entering the "rest" God had for them in the promise land. There are times that God will lead believers into situation to make a believer deal with the enemy. I don't believe that God changes His methods of thought against the enemy in the times of warfare. We can understand how God led Israel through the wilderness and when He desired for them to become the aggressors, on offense, when He had them to take the land. Certain ways. Some people were fearful and some were game. But it was all done in Righteousness. God did not lead Israel into temptation when He willed for them to go and fight, He wanted them to believe by faith what He was telling them to do. God does and can do all things exceedingly abundantly above all that we can ask or think.

Ezekiel 4:12... Do you think this is an evil temptation? I don't.

Let me answer that verse with some context.
Ezekiel 4:12-15 (KJV)
12 And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.
13 And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them.
14 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth.
15 Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

Israel was facing a tremendous famine and captivity by Persians. The food offered to the prophet (only, not anyone else) was proper. The fuel to bake it was a defilement, of which Ezekiel was technically connected to. But God relented, changing the fuel to what is commonly used by much of the world today, successfully, using dried cow's dung or other sources like goat or sheep dung. God took care of the prophet, but judged the nation. So Ezekiel was not faced with an evil temptation, but provision by the hand of God. It was not a temptation to Israel, no Jew happy to take Him up on their provision from a disgusting human source.

You and all believers are required to bring a certain amount of fruit to pass in Christ or you will be gathered out of the body of Christ (Mat. 13:17-24, 39-42). Our faith is proven as Romans 5:3-5 explains. James 1:2-4 1Peter 1:7). It is only through faith can a believer learn how to love Christ. And without loving Christ a person will not inherit Eternal Life. This all stems from faith. Anyone can say they believe, but it's the endurance through the fiery trials that determines who will continue to believe or not. Faith is seen and proven through a person's works and love is developed through the trial and seen through obedience.

In the parable of the sower let me remind that Jesus was teaching the phases of a man's heart, which regulate how well he can hear and keep the word preached. Stony-grounded and thorny hearts let the word be stolen, or crowded out when persecution because of the word arrives, while the good ground of a listener who understands the word will keep the word in him to the point of yielding a harvest pleasing to the Lord who gives the seed to sow. Even seed sown in good ground is subject to defilement by weeds planted by the enemy, yielding weeds looking like the desired plants (false fruit), resulting in having to separate the good from the bad at harvest. Meanwhile the sower has to manage the desired fruit with the evil. In any case, trouble is potential.

To support the requirement of producing good fruit I prefer John 15. A barren branch deserves to be burned up. A producing branch still needs to be pruned some to increase production. As a gardener and having fruit trees, I learned to remove most flowers to focus development of fewer fruits of higher quality. I also shortened branches to keep them from letting fruit reach the ground, or breaking the branch. It's kind of like having too many pots on the stove can ruin a fine meal.

We understand loving Jesus, but it takes growth for a new believer to get there. Jesus' disciples had to cover a lot of ground to understand anythng of Jesus, and their main knowledge came together by the Holy Spirit in them only after Jesus ascended. The emphasis of Jesus is to obey Him as a result of obedience plus love plus reverence of Him as our savior. Christians start off believing and eventually repenting as they learn what to repent of, fully repenting eventually as knowledge increases, then revering in corporate worship, then in one's own prayer closet, or maybe then obedience of what they understand to obey in, and lastly truly loving Jesus once realizing He first loved us while yet sinners. Once a believer comes to love Jesus it becomes natural to love neighbors, to be willing to preach the gospel to every person the gospel of the Kingdom of God in Christ, and faith.

Are we closing gaps? I enjoy unity.

 

[regibassman57]

@Dovegiven,

Let me answer that verse with some context.
Ezekiel 4:12-15 (KJV)
12 And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.
13 And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them.
14 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth.
15 Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

Israel was facing a tremendous famine and captivity by Persians. The food offered to the prophet (only, not anyone else) was proper. The fuel to bake it was a defilement, of which Ezekiel was technically connected to. But God relented, changing the fuel to what is commonly used by much of the world today, successfully, using dried cow's dung or other sources like goat or sheep dung. God took care of the prophet, but judged the nation. So Ezekiel was not faced with an evil temptation, but provision by the hand of God. It was not a temptation to Israel, no Jew happy to take Him up on their provision from a disgusting human source.

That's good that you felt the need to post the context. Others can read it and get understanding. The gap is closing and we are coming to a better understanding but you wrote all that information to make a point about Ezekiel when I never said God was tempting Ezekiel with evil. I like that you presented your case with the explanation according to context tho.

Since you brought it out, God didn't relent until after Ezekiel pleaded with Him. I believe some people don't understand God is Grace and He can tell a man to do anything and as long as the believer obeys God's command it's not evil. God proves man through His word and sees if they'll faithfully obey or not. God works all things after the counsel of His own will. When God told Abraham to offer his son as a sacrifice, to the bystander without understanding, it would be evil, but to those who understands God's intention behind it it's not.

In the parable of the sower let me remind that Jesus was teaching the phases of a man's heart, which regulate how well he can hear and keep the word preached. Stony-grounded and thorny hearts let the word be stolen, or crowded out when persecution because of the word arrives, while the good ground of a listener who understands the word will keep the word in him to the point of yielding a harvest pleasing to the Lord who gives the seed to sow. Even seed sown in good ground is subject to defilement by weeds planted by the enemy, yielding weeds looking like the desired plants (false fruit), resulting in having to separate the good from the bad at harvest. Meanwhile the sower has to manage the desired fruit with the evil. In any case, trouble is potential.

I agree... I use the parable of the sower because three out of the four hearts that "received" the word of God, were saved (Joh. 1:12). Two out of the three became tares in the body of Christ (the Kingdom of God) for allowing themselves to become deceived and sow to their own hearts the tare information they received from the devil. These "believers" are used as examples of warnings to all believers. Those on the Stoney ground and Thorny ground will be gathered out of the Kingdom and condemned to hell. I also use John 15: because it does shed more light on bringing forth fruit and those believers that are unfruitful. In both cases it condemns the believer that does not develop fruit. I agree with your writing below.

To support the requirement of producing good fruit I prefer John 15. A barren branch deserves to be burned up. A producing branch still needs to be pruned some to increase production. As a gardener and having fruit trees, I learned to remove most flowers to focus development of fewer fruits of higher quality. I also shortened branches to keep them from letting fruit reach the ground, or breaking the branch. It's kind of like having too many pots on the stove can ruin a fine meal.

We understand loving Jesus, but it takes growth for a new believer to get there. Jesus' disciples had to cover a lot of ground to understand anythng of Jesus, and their main knowledge came together by the Holy Spirit in them only after Jesus ascended. The emphasis of Jesus is to obey Him as a result of obedience plus love plus reverence of Him as our savior. Christians start off believing and eventually repenting as they learn what to repent of, fully repenting eventually as knowledge increases, then revering in corporate worship, then in one's own prayer closet, or maybe then obedience of what they understand to obey in, and lastly truly loving Jesus once realizing He first loved us while yet sinners. Once a believer comes to love Jesus it becomes natural to love neighbors, to be willing to preach the gospel to every person the gospel of the Kingdom of God in Christ, and faith.

Are we closing gaps? I enjoy unity.

 

[Dave M]

parable of the sower because three out of the four hearts that "received" the word of God, were saved (Joh. 1:12)

 

[regibassman57]

@Dave,
Do you agree or disagree? Three out of the four hearts received the seed, which represents the Word of God.

John 1:12
But as many as "received" him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Can you help them please with your comment from Post#24


@Quantrill @regibassman57 @Dovegiven

I do believe brothers that it was Brother @Wired 4 Fishen that first mentioned the comment as shown above.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
<><

satan has a will or plan for your life just as much as God does. If we are not following Gods plan then you know who we are following and that is the god of this world.

I will give you this.
Scripture talks about fiery darts. Scripture explains these are thoughts.

Ask yourself where do these thoughts come from?

Why are we told to take every thought captive?

Blessings

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Christians are not called to engage in battles with Satan. We are to submit to God, resist as by proper wearing of spiritual armor, and know the Devil will flee until his next attack, when we must stick to the plan. The armor is for defense only, most of it designed for the soldier to stand facing the enemy, not showing one's backside.

Not so!
We are to be both defend and attack.
Your view on armor is off as well.

Resisting the devil.....this is not ignoring him or just standing still.

Blessings

 

[Dave M]

@regibassman57
you said three of the 4 in the parable were saved, is what I found interesting, did I mis-understand you?

 

[regibassman57]

@Dave,

@regibassman57
you said three of the 4 in the parable were saved, is what I found interesting, did I mis-understand you?

That is correct... The seed is the word of the Kingdom... Everyone that received the word sowed, received the Kingdom of God through faith. This is why I used John 1:12. Those by the wayside didn't believe because Satan came an stoled the word out of their heart so they couldn't believe. Though they heard the word, they were not saved.

 

[Dave M]

That is correct... The seed is the word of the Kingdom... Everyone that received the word sowed, received the Kingdom of God through faith

@regibassman57
thats is interesting view point, that almost sounds like a very wide gate to heaven, that sounds like %75 of the people who here the word of God are saved, is that a correct way to look at your interpretation of the parable?

 

[regibassman57]

@Dave,

@regibassman57
thats is interesting view point, that almost sounds like a very wide gate to heaven, that sounds like %75 of the people who here the word of God are saved, is that a correct way to look at your interpretation of the parable?

The gate is not wide, but according to the ratio in the parable of the sower - 75 percent is about right that received the word and were saved. The gate can actually accommodate the whole world, and Jesus being the way, truth and the life died for the whole world to enter. But the gate is narrow because a true believer must be disciplined conforming to the standards and image of Jesus Christ by rules and regulation (laws) given by God. Most that come to Christ faint in the journey and never will obtain the ultimate prize. They enjoy the pleasures of the world more than loving Christ. The cares and the riches of this world hinders their love for God becoming unfruitful, they becomes lukewarm believers while being deceived believing they are good to go. They believe in Jesus through their faith only without believing obedience is mandatory. As long as they believe this, according to them, works don't apply because a believer does not obtain eternal life by their works.

Matthew 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Matthew 7:13 is talking to believers "commanding" them to enter at the straight gate. Many people will initially believe and receive the word of God and say they believe in Jesus Christ, but they will not continue "doing" what He commands them to do. The straight gate is narrow because believers are not free to do as they "feel" in this world. Jesus has restricted believers from doing certain things that this world has to offer (if they love Him). Jesus commands us and prohibited us from doing many of the pleasures of this world through the law. If a believer ignores the commandments of Jesus' law, that believer is a Christian by lip service and title only.

Luke 13:23
Then said one unto Jesus, Lord, are there few that be saved? And Jesus said unto them,
Luke 13:24
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for "many," I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

The "many" that shall not enter into eternal life are the types of "believers" on Stoney and Thorny ground as in the parable of the sower of the seed. The many are given the warning from Mark and John. When it comes down to it few shall be saved. Out of the 75 percent that were initially saved by faith, 25 percent obtained and inherited eternal life in manifestation and not by faith only.

Mark 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mark 8:35
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's (the law), the same shall save it.

John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life "in this world" shall keep it unto life eternal.

What if the believer doesn't obey the commandments of Jesus, but they believe He died and rose from the grave and ascended into Heaven to sit at the right hand of God?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Jesus knew Satan wanted to sift Peter like wheat, and we learn the prayers of Jesus protected him and the others.

Do we now?
Jesus explained to Peter how he would, fall, miss it, crumble and give into fear.
Jesus told Peter to not let that destroy him.

Jesus shortly before told them if they deny Him before man He would deny them before God.

Jesus knew He would have to keep His Word but was not going to allow that to happen.

So later we see where He asked Peter do you love Me?

One for each denial.
He was teaching them about several things.

One is what Hebrews called Debar and and another is in James about the tongue.
Tongue sets the wheel of nature in motion.
Only the one who sets words in motion can stop them.

Word = Thing
Blessings

 

[Dave M]

@Dave,



The gate is not wide, but according to the ratio in the parable of the sower - 75 percent is about right that received the word and were saved. The gate can actually accommodate the whole world, and Jesus being the way, truth and the life died for the whole world to enter. But the gate is narrow because a true believer must be disciplined conforming to the standards and image of Jesus Christ by rules and regulation (laws) given by God. Most that come to Christ faint in the journey and never will obtain the ultimate prize. They enjoy the pleasures of the world more than loving Christ. The cares and the riches of this world hinders their love for God becoming unfruitful, they becomes lukewarm believers while being deceived believing they are good to go. They believe in Jesus through their faith only without believing obedience is mandatory. As long as they believe this, according to them, works don't apply because a believer does not obtain eternal life by their works.

Matthew 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Matthew 7:13 is talking to believers "commanding" them to enter at the straight gate. Many people will initially believe and receive the word of God and say they believe in Jesus Christ, but they will not continue "doing" what He commands them to do. The straight gate is narrow because believers are not free to do as they "feel" in this world. Jesus has restricted believers from doing certain things that this world has to offer (if they love Him). Jesus commands us and prohibited us from doing many of the pleasures of this world through the law. If a believer ignores the commandments of Jesus' law, that believer is a Christian by lip service and title only.

Luke 13:23
Then said one unto Jesus, Lord, are there few that be saved? And Jesus said unto them,
Luke 13:24
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for "many," I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

The "many" that shall not enter into eternal life are the types of "believers" on Stoney and Thorny ground as in the parable of the sower of the seed. The many are given the warning from Mark and John. When it comes down to it few shall be saved. Out of the 75 percent that were initially saved by faith, 25 percent obtained and inherited eternal life in manifestation and not by faith only.

Mark 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mark 8:35
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's (the law), the same shall save it.

John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life "in this world" shall keep it unto life eternal.

What if the believer doesn't obey the commandments of Jesus, but they believe He died and rose from the grave and ascended into Heaven to sit at the right hand of God?

The Parable of the Sower
(Matthew 13:1-9; Mark 4:1-9)

4While a large crowd was gathering and people were coming to Jesus from town after town, He told them this parable: 5“A farmer went out to sow his seed. And as he was sowing, some seed fell along the path, where it was trampled, and the birds of the air devoured it.

6Other seed fell on rocky ground, and when it came up, the seedlings withered because they had no moisture.

7Other seed fell among the thorns, which grew up with it and choked the seedlings.

8Still other seed fell on good soil, where it sprang up and produced a crop—a hundredfold.”

As Jesus said this, He called out, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

9Then His disciples asked Him what this parable meant.

10He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that,

‘Though seeing, they may not see;

though hearing, they may not understand.’b

11Now this is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. 12The seeds along the path are those who hear, but the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved.

13The seeds on rocky ground are those who hear the word and receive it with joy, but they have no root. They believe for a season, but in the time of testing, they fall away.

14The seeds that fell among the thorns are those who hear, but as they go on their way, they are choked by the worries, riches, and pleasures of this life, and their fruit does not mature.

15But the seeds on good soil are those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, cling to it, and by persevering produce a crop.



So verse 11 seems very clear this soil is not saved.

Verse 13 says fall away, is that the same as not being save? d I do not know the answer to that I hope so far the sake of many but kind of doubt it

Verse 14 I am going to have to say I think they are saved here they just are not mature

Verse 15 I am sure we all agree 100% they are saved and this is what we should all strive to obtain, seems related to the word of God so let us all immerse our-self's in it daily.

so out of 4 soils
- 1 for sure not saved
- 1 to my lack of understanding is grey area
- 2 for sure saved

so the question becomes whats the difference between falling away and not maturing??

 

[regibassman57]

@Dave,

The Parable of the Sower
11Now this is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. 12The seeds along the path are those who hear, but the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved.

These heard the word of the Kingdom but were never saved. The devil stoled the word that they would not believe.

13The seeds on rocky ground are those who hear the word and receive it with joy, but they have no root. They believe for a season, but in the time of testing, they fall away.

These heard the word and received it. They believed the word for however long and let it go giving up. These chose not to endure tribulations unto the end. Paul exhorted the disciple not to give up in the book of Acts because of tribulations.

Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

14The seeds that fell among the thorns are those who hear, but as they go on their way, they are choked by the worries, riches, and pleasures of this life, and their fruit does not mature.

These heard the Word and believed, but the Word could not persuade them to put on the character of Christ and die to the world by not loving the things of the world. These were focused on the world in concerns, money, pleasures, etc. The Word couldn't "make" them serve God. What a person loves, they will serve.

15But the seeds on good soil are those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, cling to it, and by persevering produce a crop.

Self explanatory.

So verse 11 seems very clear this soil is not saved.

Verse 13 says fall away, is that the same as not being save? d I do not know the answer to that I hope so far the sake of many but kind of doubt it

Verse 14 I am going to have to say I think they are saved here they just are not mature.

Those on the thorny ground verse 13... It's not the same as not being saved.; these were saved because they received the Word of life. A person that falls away, falls away from Christ's instructions and desires other things contrary to Christ. It's like how John describe those believers that withers. These believers were healthy fruit while they abided in the vine (Jesus), but once they quit abiding in the Word, they withered. An unbeliever cannot wither because they've never had life.

John 15:6
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Verse 15 I am sure we all agree 100% they are saved and this is what we should all strive to obtain, seems related to the word of God so let us all immerse our-self's in it daily.

AMEN

so out of 4 soils
- 1 for sure not saved
- 1 to my lack of understanding is grey area
- 2 for sure saved

so the question becomes whats the difference between falling away and not maturing??

Out of 4 soils:
"One" could not believe because Satan stole the word out of their heart.

"Three" did believe because they received the seed own and believed it. (these were saved by faith only, but not in manifestation)

"One" out of the "three" endured in believing Jesus until the end. Out of the other two, one couldn't deal with the tribulations and the other loved the world and all it offered more than Christ. These were gathered out of the Kingdom of God and condemned to hell.

Matthew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Matthew 13:42
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire:there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Dovegiven]

Do we now?
Jesus explained to Peter how he would, fall, miss it, crumble and give into fear.
Jesus told Peter to not let that destroy him.......................

Jesus shortly before told them if they deny Him before man He would deny them before God.

Luke 22:31-32 (KJV)
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

As for Peter's three denials.....
Matthew 10:32-33 (KJV)
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Jesus forgives when He sees repentance. Yes, people who deny Him will be denied if that's where they leave off, but of those some repented and confessed Jesus before men. Did not Peter be converted, repent, and be put to work for the Kingdom? Jesus prayed for His disciples often towards that plan.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Jesus forgives when He sees repentance. Yes, people who deny Him will be denied if that's where they leave off, but of those some repented and confessed Jesus before men. Did not Peter be converted, repent, and be put to work for the Kingdom? Jesus prayed for His disciples often towards that plan.

Your reply does not make sense to what I said.

Peter denied Jesus three times.
Jesus spoke to Peter about it first.
One to strengthen him so he would not do something stupid before Jesus went to the cross.

Then Jesus met with Peter and overcame the three denials.

Like I said. Study out the Hebrew word dabar and our words setting the wheel of nature moving which is set on fire of hell.

Jesus prays for All His Children.......

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

These heard the word of the Kingdom but were never saved. The devil stoled the word that they would not believe.

The big mistake many make is they totally make the parable of the sower only about saved and unsaved.

Its not!
satan comes to steel the word immediately all through a believers life.

The example of soils again is about Christians all through their walk as well.

Blessings

 

[Dovegiven]

Your reply does not make sense to what I said.

Peter denied Jesus three times.
Jesus spoke to Peter about it first.
One to strengthen him so he would not do something stupid before Jesus went to the cross.

Then Jesus met with Peter and overcame the three denials.

Like I said. Study out the Hebrew word dabar and our words setting the wheel of nature moving which is set on fire of hell.

Jesus prays for All His Children.......

It appears obvious my comment did not disagree with your conclusion:wink:

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

It appears obvious my comment did not disagree with your conclusion:wink:

Lol kind of like Toe Mae Toe and Tau mau toe
Blessings to ya my Brother and Friend!!