Jesus is the word of God.... NOT the Bible.

[Lily Miller]

Hi everyone, I would just like to make a post saying how I found something very interesting and I thought it would be something good to share.

I always hear everyone always talking about the Bible but they don't call it the Bible, they call it the word of God. Which is actually not true, God never wrote the Bible, men did it, it's believed that Moses wrote Genesis and others, and then you have other Prophets that wrote their own books as well, and then you have the Epistles which also were written by man and not by God. I would like to make a note saying that I do believe that the Bible is inspired by God, through men. Paul states a couple of times that his words are not from God but from his own foolish boasting. "What I am saying with this boastful confidence, I say not as the Lord would but as a fool" 2 Corinthians 11:17 He even acknowledges that he wasn't being told by God to say some of the things he was saying. Same with Moses, Jesus questions the infallibility of him in Mark 10:1-12 ans then again in Matthew 19:3-11. They were all inspired by God, Jesus himself is the Word of God, it says in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Now does that make sense if we take out the word "Word" and instead put Bible? To me it doesn't. In Revelation 19:13 "He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God". He is the word of God alone, not the entire Bible.

Peace and Love, Lily

 

[Bendito]

Hi everyone, I would just like to make a post saying how I found something very interesting and I thought it would be something good to share.

I always hear everyone always talking about the Bible but they don't call it the Bible, they call it the word of God. Which is actually not true, God never wrote the Bible, men did it, it's believed that Moses wrote Genesis and others, and then you have other Prophets that wrote their own books as well, and then you have the Epistles which also were written by man and not by God. I would like to make a note saying that I do believe that the Bible is inspired by God, through men. Paul states a couple of times that his words are not from God but from his own foolish boasting. "What I am saying with this boastful confidence, I say not as the Lord would but as a fool" 2 Corinthians 11:17 He even acknowledges that he wasn't being told by God to say some of the things he was saying. Same with Moses, Jesus questions the infallibility of him in Mark 10:1-12 ans then again in Matthew 19:3-11. They were all inspired by God, Jesus himself is the Word of God, it says in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Now does that make sense if we take out the word "Word" and instead put Bible? To me it doesn't. In Revelation 19:13 "He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God". He is the word of God alone, not the entire Bible.

Peace and Love, Lily

Lily, did you know that the Bible was written over a period of about 1600 years by several 'authors' and is made up of sixty books that each fit together like a jigsaw puzzle. If God had not directed the writing of the Book, they would not fit together....Also....The Book is written according to a formula that nobody has ever been able to duplicate...Nobody has ever been able to write a single paragraph that follows this formula. That formula is like this; All the words in the bible are a multiple of sevens. All the letters in the bible, all the paragraphs, all the punctuation marks, all the syllables, The number of spaces between the words, everything in the bible is in multiples of seven...Even the brightest minds in the best think tanks in the world cannot write a single paragraph like that....How would you think that God did not write the Book?

 

[David Young]

The Bible is a collection of sixty-six, seventy-three or eighty-one books, or various numbers between.

It's uniqueness says nothing about how authoritative it is. No television series is identical to Doctor Who. No railway station is identical to Ścinawka Średnia. No item of confectionery has had an identical history to that of the Freddo chocolate bar.

As for numerical formulae, they tend to be more in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Dave M]

Bible is inspired by God,

Pretty much saying God wrote the bible.

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

But it does say in several places that Paul was giving his ow thoughts and not those of Christ, although I would say Paul is someone we can trust

• 1 Cor. 7:12, "But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, let him not send her away."
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• 1 Cor. 7:25, "Now concerning virgins I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy."
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• 2 Cor. 11:17, "That which I am speaking, I am not speaking as the Lord would, but as in foolishness, in this confidence of boasting."

Cool little piece

by Matt Slick

There are verses in the New Testament where Paul says that he is speaking, not the Lord. How does this affect the doctrine of inspiration which states that every word in the Bible is true and from God? Let's take a look at these three verses.

• 1 Cor. 7:12, "But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, let him not send her away."
• 1 Cor. 7:25, "Now concerning virgins I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy."
• 2 Cor. 11:17, "That which I am speaking, I am not speaking as the Lord would, but as in foolishness, in this confidence of boasting."

First of all, we need to understand what inspiration means. 2 Tim. 3:16 says, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness." The word "inspired" is θεόπνευστος theopneustos. It means God-breathed.

The inspiration of the Bible does not mean that every single word in the Bible is dictated by God or is from God. Instead, it means that whenever the Bible speaks in regards to history, truth, God, morality, etc., it is without error. In addition, within all of this, it will accurately record the sinful behavior of people, such as their lies. It doesn't mean that those lies were inspired from God.

Take Genesis 3 where the devil says to Eve, "You surely shall not die!" (Gen. 3:4). The words are not "God breathed." But, the words are accurately recorded within the "God breathed" scriptures. This is what happened, and in the inspired word of God we can trust that the words are accurately represented and it is up to us to learn from what is recorded there.

Back to Paul's statements.
In the verses where Paul said that he was speaking, not God, then it is absolutely true and correct that he was speaking and not God. But, this also means that he knew when he wasspeaking for God. This is no challenge to the inspiration of the word of God at all. Paul was able to distinguish between his own words and those of the Lord and, again, the Bible accurately records what was said--including the differentiation between what was Paul's opinion and what was God's word.

 

[B-A-C]

Jas 1:21; Therefore, putting aside all filthiness and all that remains of wickedness, in humility receive the word implanted, which is able to save your souls.

John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2; He was in the beginning with God.

John 1:14; And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Now obviously Jesus isn't words printed on a page. But the Bible, contains the very essence of God, His character, His nature.
His plan for salvation. Without the Bible we don't really know about any of those things. The whole Bible is really about Jesus.
Every single story in the OT points to Jesus.

John 5:39; "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;

 

[Lily Miller]

I feel like all of you have very good points, What I am trying to get at is not that the Bible is not inspired by God, I truly believe that it was inspired by God. All that I am trying to get each of you to think about is Jesus. Because like B-A-C said, it all points to Jesus, the OT and the NT. It's in him we find salvation, I am not saying that we can't trust Moses or Paul, I am just stating a fact that with these verses I have given to you, that Jesus is the Word of God not the Bible.

Dave M, I would like to address the paragraph which you wrote back to me. I believe that God inspired people to write the Bible, I believe he gave them prophetic dreams and visions, but I myself am just stating a fact, which is in two books of the new testament, The Revelation of Jesus Christ, and in the Gospel of John. I am not going out of my way to try and say that the Bible is false, I believe what the Bible says, the verses you share with me brother you always say "inspired by God" and that is exactly what I am saying as well. All I am adding is that I think we need to refer to Jesus as the Word of God rather than the Bible, because that is what John says, and that is what is written in the Revelation of Jesus Christ. I am not trying to be malicious with ill intent, I am just trying to understand the scriptures more. I am a traveling Missionary so I am constantly trying to reread the Bible to get a new lesson every day, and the other day I stumbled upon this and I just wanted to see what others thought about it as well.

Again, I would like to thank all of you for your thoughts and I would love to hear more of them. I am not trying to deny God breathed inspiration from the Bible, I am just trying to get people to Understand Jesus is the Word of God, he was there when God made the Earth and he was there when Eve was deceived, I believe every word of the Bible and I am actively trying my best to live a good Christian life.

Peace and Love, Lily

 

[amadeus2]

Hi everyone, I would just like to make a post saying how I found something very interesting and I thought it would be something good to share.

I always hear everyone always talking about the Bible but they don't call it the Bible, they call it the word of God. Which is actually not true, God never wrote the Bible, men did it, it's believed that Moses wrote Genesis and others, and then you have other Prophets that wrote their own books as well, and then you have the Epistles which also were written by man and not by God. I would like to make a note saying that I do believe that the Bible is inspired by God, through men. Paul states a couple of times that his words are not from God but from his own foolish boasting. "What I am saying with this boastful confidence, I say not as the Lord would but as a fool" 2 Corinthians 11:17 He even acknowledges that he wasn't being told by God to say some of the things he was saying. Same with Moses, Jesus questions the infallibility of him in Mark 10:1-12 ans then again in Matthew 19:3-11. They were all inspired by God, Jesus himself is the Word of God, it says in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Now does that make sense if we take out the word "Word" and instead put Bible? To me it doesn't. In Revelation 19:13 "He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God". He is the word of God alone, not the entire Bible.

Peace and Love, Lily

Indeed the words written in scriptures were put down by men as they were inspired by God to write them. But the book itself, which we call the Bible, is made of dead trees imprinted with dead ink. The words?

"Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life" II Cor 3:5-6

That letter, the unopened or uninspired scripture is dead until the spirit, that is the Holy Spirit, gives Life to them in you or me or another person.

The words are the dead carcass of Jesus similar to how he was while he was dead on the cross prior to being resurrected on the third day. That dead carcass had potential which was quickened [brought to Life] by the Holy Spirit.

When an avowed atheist reads the scripture, that is reads the Bible, with the wrong purpose or attitude or spirit, he can and does receive the wrong message from it. But when a person filled with the Holy Spirit reads the same verses then may the potential be fulfilled in that person:

This is also one reason we have conflicting beliefs among believers. Sometime people read or study from or through their fleshly ways alone instead of in the Spirit. The result may well be a mixed up message and we have 40,000 some Christian denominations based often on the very same written scriptures...

 

[Lily Miller]

Indeed the words written in scriptures were put down by men as they were inspired by God to write them. But the book itself, which we call the Bible, is made of dead trees imprinted with dead ink. The words?

"Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life" II Cor 3:5-6

That letter, the unopened or uninspired scripture is dead until the spirit, that is the Holy Spirit, gives Life to them in you or me or another person.

The words are the dead carcass of Jesus similar to how he was while he was dead on the cross prior to being resurrected on the third day. That dead carcass had potential which was quickened [brought to Life] by the Holy Spirit.

When an avowed atheist reads the scripture, that is reads the Bible, with the wrong purpose or attitude or spirit, he can and does receive the wrong message from it. But when a person filled with the Holy Spirit reads the same verses then may the potential be fulfilled in that person:

This is also one reason we have conflicting beliefs among believers. Sometime people read or study from or through their fleshly ways alone instead of in the Spirit. The result may well be a mixed up message and we have 40,000 some Christian denominations based often on the very same written scriptures...

I am a little confused on what you are trying to get across here brother.

 

[amadeus2]

I am a little confused on what you are trying to get across here brother.

Jesus is indeed the Word of God as it says here:

"And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grave and truth." John 1:14

Jesus, the Word of God, became flesh, not the pages of the book, not even the Bible. But God inspired men to write down words. The contents of the Bible is the Word of God, but memorized or read or studied without the lead and quickening of the Holy Spirit it has no Life in it as Paul wrote in II Cor 3:5-6.

The Word of God must be in us to do us any good. This is one purpose of the Holy Spirit in us. The unopened Bible on a shelf has no Life but there is certainly potential for Life within it. The person reading it really seeking God's truth will be led by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will bring words in scripture to Life in you or me and then in us it is most definitely the Word of God.

It took inspiration to write it. It also takes the inspiration from the same source [God] to understand His message to us.

 

[Lily Miller]

Jesus is indeed the Word of God as it says here:

"And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grave and truth." John 1:14

Jesus, the Word of God, became flesh, not the pages of the book, not even the Bible. But God inspired men to write down words. The contents of the Bible is the Word of God, but memorized or read or studied without the lead and quickening of the Holy Spirit it has no Life in it as Paul wrote in II Cor 3:5-6.

The Word of God must be in us to do us any good. This is one purpose of the Holy Spirit in us. The unopened Bible on a shelf has no Life but there is certainly potential for Life within it. The person reading it really seeking God's truth will be led by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will bring words in scripture to Life in you or me and then in us it is most definitely the Word of God.

It took inspiration to write it. It also takes the inspiration from the same source [God] to understand His message to us.

I agree with you Completely! We need to be actively reading to learn things from what is inspired by God. We need to be able to focus on what God tells us through Paul, Moses, Jesus, anyone.. But when the end comes what we really need to focus on is the Word of God, Listening to him because he is always trying to get us connected more and more with God. We need to always be able to accept what Jesus says, because in John 12:48 it says we will be judged by what Jesus says. The Bible is definitely inspired by God!!!

 

[Bendito]

The Bible is a collection of sixty-six, seventy-three or eighty-one books, or various numbers between.

It's uniqueness says nothing about how authoritative it is. No television series is identical to Doctor Who. No railway station is identical to Ścinawka Średnia. No item of confectionery has had an identical history to that of the Freddo chocolate bar.

As for numerical formulae, they tend to be more in the eye of the beholder.

I'm sorry David, your spiel here is just wrong. According to you, you are not born again. That means your spirit is still dead in sin. That being the case, there is no way you can understand the Bible. There is no way you can be any kind of expert on it. Theology school was a waste of time until you do get born again. That is simply because your wonderful intellect cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God. Intellect and Spirit are at enmity with one another. The thing about the mathematical formula of the Bible is again something you don't seem to understand. Mathematics is mathematics. It matters not if you agree with it. IT IS! The entire universe is based on mathematics. The formula stands. Its not negotiable.
Again....The uniqueness of the Bible has nothing to do with its authority. Its Gods Word that has authority. And the Bible is Gods Word.
And all that makes me ask you one question....If you do not believe Gods Word, if you only seem to come here to fight and criticize, why do you come here at all? Most of us here come to share and to learn, not to fight and criticize. So......why do you come here? And no....I'm not saying you're not welcome....I'm not saying you should leave.....Why do you come here?

 

[Lily Miller]

I'm sorry David, your spiel here is just wrong. According to you, you are not born again. That means your spirit is still dead in sin. That being the case, there is no way you can understand the Bible. There is no way you can be any kind of expert on it. Theology school was a waste of time until you do get born again. That is simply because your wonderful intellect cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God. Intellect and Spirit are at enmity with one another. The thing about the mathematical formula of the Bible is again something you don't seem to understand. Mathematics is mathematics. It matters not if you agree with it. IT IS! The entire universe is based on mathematics. The formula stands. Its not negotiable.
Again....The uniqueness of the Bible has nothing to do with its authority. Its Gods Word that has authority. And the Bible is Gods Word.
And all that makes me ask you one question....If you do not believe Gods Word, if you only seem to come here to fight and criticize, why do you come here at all? Most of us here come to share and to learn, not to fight and criticize. So......why do you come here? And no....I'm not saying you're not welcome....I'm not saying you should leave.....Why do you come here?

Jesus is Gods word, the Bible is inspired by God.

 

[Bendito]

Jesus is Gods word, the Bible is inspired by God.

Lily there is no difference. In the Beginning was the Word,and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Then in another place.....The Word was made flesh...Jesus is the Word, The bible is the Written Word

 

[Lily Miller]

Lily there is no difference. In the Beginning was the Word,and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Then in another place.....The Word was made flesh...Jesus is the Word, The bible is the Written Word

Yes, I agree with you, but you keep calling it the Word of God but what does the Bible say the Word of God is? The Word made flesh is meaning, what God is speaking is Jesus. Jesus told people to love one another and to love their enemies. The whole Bible is summed up in loving God and loving others, Galatians 5:14, Matthew 22:37-40. God's Word is Jesus, and Jesus is Love.

Take a random passage from the Bible for example, it would be inspired by God, but unless it says "The Lord says" or "The Lord speaks" or whatever else it says, it is not words from God, and because in two places in the Bible it says that Jesus is the Word of God I will be calling that his name, not the Bible's name.

What I am trying to say is that there is a difference, and it is in the fact that The Bible is not the Word of God, Jesus is.

Peace and Love, from Lily

 

[Dovegiven]

My understanding remains taking the Bible as a series of dictations "in the Spirit", and sometimes direct communications as in the case of Moses on the mount, and Elijah, et. al. from God to men, men to God, directing them what to write, even the embarrassing things of the past, the sins of kings, Judas, et. cet. Nothing was left out of God's intended message to men, even false concepts declared by Job, that many readers take as truths for life without reading to the end to discover Job was wrong about some issues like many other people. When a President has a bipartisan meeting there's usually a person recording every word while an audio recording is used too, whether wise words or not. The whole record is set. Whatever the President says is there, sometimes regrettably. In Paul's case even his own thoughts were dictated back to him to record, for perhaps those personal 'side notes' of his were actually originally inspired from God to believe of himself before setting out to write the letter. I think that happened.

A problem with abandoning "the word of God" as a valid title to the Bible is that wisdom says to take the whole record as authorized by God by the Holy Spirit. If it comes from Him, then He owns that. There would otherwise be a valid license for scholars of each generation to judge which words are inspired as truly given by God, and which are not, the way some folks think the U.S. Constitution is a "living document" that should be taken as fitting to each generation by reinterpreting it and doubting the thoughts of our founders. The churches receiving Paul's letters didn't redact parts they didn't like, Paul remaining witness as to what he wrote to them.
2 Peter 3:14-16 (KJV)
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Now concerning an example lets look at that 2 Cor 11:17 verse by putting some context with it.
2 Corinthians 11:16-19 (KJV)
16 I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little.
17 That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.
18 Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also.
19 For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.

His "boasting" reached many a fool who thought themselves to be wise, especially the Jews wherever he traveled. That happens to be a very valuable part of wisdom for preachers. Paul held nothing back, Presentation is important to gain attention of listeners. I know preachers who exhibit dozens of scholarly certificates who can't keep anyone's attention in their sermons. It is for many an impossibility to say what the sermon was about right after going home. But preachers who submit to abasement for the Lord's sake are remembered, if that preacher is saying what the Lord says to say. I had a 90 year old man come forward to announce he was just saved after being a church member all his life. It wasn't my teaching scriptures that captured him, but a simple silly little testimony of my youth that sort of jumped into the lesson. That story took his mind off our subject, got him conversing with God, so as to examine himself. He had been living by limited head knowledge all along.

I think that all clears up when reading that whole chapter of 2 Cor 11 a few times. It's a bit more difficult to handle than the other chapters.

The Bible is not Jesus, that's true. It presents the word of God as intended for man, of which Jesus is the Word,which was recorded as well as remaining unavailable Not all words and acts of Jesus were even recorded, so much of His word is still not known to people.
John 21:24-25 (KJV)
24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

That's an awesome thought. Jesus is all the word of God, yet most of it is likely yet unavailable. A support for that is considering how many words of Jesus are recorded over about 4 years of his preaching. There are maybe two hour's of His sayings in the Bible (excluding repetitions), what we call "red letter scriptures". One can read alound the whole Bible in 90 hours, words covering 1600 years. That doesn't make the Bible less than "The word of God", and deserving of being that, else some could say there is no written word of God at all since it was not all recorded according to John, but merely the writings of men which must be filtered to determine any heavenly value. I prefer not to glorify the Greek word biblia, which means simply "books". The scriptures are not just books, but deserve a higher title.

 

[Bendito]

Yes, I agree with you, but you keep calling it the Word of God but what does the Bible say the Word of God is? The Word made flesh is meaning, what God is speaking is Jesus. Jesus told people to love one another and to love their enemies. The whole Bible is summed up in loving God and loving others, Galatians 5:14, Matthew 22:37-40. God's Word is Jesus, and Jesus is Love.

Take a random passage from the Bible for example, it would be inspired by God, but unless it says "The Lord says" or "The Lord speaks" or whatever else it says, it is not words from God, and because in two places in the Bible it says that Jesus is the Word of God I will be calling that his name, not the Bible's name.

What I am trying to say is that there is a difference, and it is in the fact that The Bible is not the Word of God, Jesus is.

Peace and Love, from Lily

All of the Bible is Gods Word. Lily Read these two verses for example;
2 Timothy 3:16-17 (CJB)

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching the truth, convicting of sin, correcting faults and training in right living; 17 thus anyone who belongs to God may be fully equipped for every good work.
It says "All scripture. What is not included in 'All' scripture? Right. It means ALL. If its in the Book it's scripture. Even where Paul said it was his words. Pauls words align with the rest of the Book too.

 

[regibassman57]

@Lily Miller,

Everything the bible speaks of is truth about Jesus; but the bible itself "is not" Jesus. The bible is a manifested copy of His will but it's not Jesus manifestly speaking it. We as believers do have Jesus speaking to us in our spirit, but the copies of His written word speaks to us through our carnal senses first. When we read the Words of Christ, it is naturally seen carnally, but converted and received spiritually. We pray for the understanding in revelation in order to walk in the "spiritual" understanding of Christ's word.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The Word that was made flesh was a literal meaning for a specific time and purpose (Joh. 1:14). Once Jesus finished His work, He was caught up to be at the Right hand of God. His words, however, were written for a witness for man to have hope in understanding life. It's like the law... the law is spiritual and Jesus is the inspiration of that Word - The Ten Commandments of Love; but it was a "shadow" of the "very image" and not the very image - which is Christ.

Hebrews 10:1
For the "law" having a "shadow" of good things to come, and "not the very image" of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

 

[Bendito]

@Lily Miller,

Everything the bible speaks of is truth about Jesus; but the bible itself "is not" Jesus. The bible is a manifested copy of His will but it's not Jesus manifestly speaking it. We as believers do have Jesus speaking to us in our spirit, but the copies of His written word speaks to us through our carnal senses first. When we read the Words of Christ, it is naturally seen carnally, but converted and received spiritually. We pray for the understanding in revelation in order to walk in the "spiritual" understanding of Christ's word.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The Word that was made flesh was a literal meaning for a specific time and purpose (Joh. 1:14). Once Jesus finished His work, He was caught up to be at the Right hand of God. His words, however, were written for a witness for man to have hope in understanding life. It's like the law... the law is spiritual and Jesus is the inspiration of that Word - The Ten Commandments of Love; but it was a "shadow" of the "very image" and not the very image - which is Christ.

Hebrews 10:1
For the "law" having a "shadow" of good things to come, and "not the very image" of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

The blind leading the blind.
regibassman57 you just want to remember that YOU will answer for every word you speak/write.

 

[regibassman57]

@Bendito,
If you could show me where my errors are you would remedy a problem. It's easy to present scripture without knowledge, as you do, but you can't explain your position.

 

[David Young]

Post #11: The view you express is exactly what is meant by the word 'occult'. Yours is an occult faith.

Some Christians do not have an occult faith. They believe that Christianity can be explained rationally and intelligently. It is those Christians whose opinions I am interested in.