Trinitarian Evidence All False

[Squeaky]

TRINITY EVIDENCE FALSE
Everything that the trinitarians claims makes Jesus God. Are the same things we can do also. And it doesnt make us God. Trinitarians have tried to form a belief on circumstantial verses, not factual verses. And they base their belief on principles that are not even in the Word of God. A Believer bases all their beliefs on what is written, not on what is not written.
Matt 20:22-23
22 But Jesus answered and said, "You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?" They said to Him, "We are able."
23 So He said to them, "You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father."
Matt 23:23-24
23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.
24 "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
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Circumstantial Verses
Circumstantial verses are verses that can be used either way. As in this one,(My Lord and my God) The word and can be used to separate Lord and God, it can also be used to bring them together as one. Now as John was addressing Jesus at this point John knew and believed that God was also in Jesus. So in his attempt to address them both he was addressing "My Lord Jesus Christ, and also my God the Father that dwells in You.
John 20:28
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
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Factual Verses
In the factual verses, they can only be taken one way, with no variations. So the carnal mind has to pervert the factual verses in order to believe the circumstantial verses. The factual verses explain the circumstantial verses. As in this one, "One God the Father". The Father is the one God. But if you read one you see there is also one Lord Jesus Christ, which explains why John said it the way he did.
John 17:1-3
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
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THE DIVINITY(DEITY) OF CHRIST
We can have the same divine nature that Jesus had. God working through us.
Acts 17:29-30
29 "Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising.
30 "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
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2 Pet 1:4
4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
ONLY GOD CAN BE WORSHIPPED (WE CAN AND WILL BE WORSHIPPED)
Rev 3:9
9 "Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie-- indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
THREE IN ONE GOD, ONE GOD IN THREE
Everything that separates trinitarians from Christians comes from out side of the scriptures. Trintiy, deity, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.
Eph 4:6
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

The apostles even said. Yet for us there is one God the Father.
Christians believe there is one God the Father.
Trinitarians always start with questions, this is how they deceive.
2 Tim 2:23
23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
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THE 'ARE ONE' DELUSION
WE ARE ONE WITH CHRIST AND GOD AND HOLY SPIRIT
IF JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE OF THE ONENESS-THEN WE ARE GOD. NOT SO!
John 10:30
30 "I and My Father are one."
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John 17:22
22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
I Jn 5:7-8
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
1 Cor 12:12-14
12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-- whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free-- and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.
1 Cor 10:16-17
16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
17 For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
1 Cor 3:7-11
7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.
8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, you are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it.
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Rom 12:5
5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.
John 17:20-23
20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
21 "that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
23 "I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
John 10:29-30
29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
30 "I and My Father are one."
Eph 4:4-6
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Cor 6:17
17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
Matt 10:32-33
32 "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven.
33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
1 Cor 11:1
1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
2 Cor 10:4-5
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
1 Cor 11:3
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
Rom 16:25-27
25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
26 but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith--
27 to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen.
1 Cor 1:10
10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
Phil 3:16
16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
2 Cor 4:13-14
13 And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, "I believed and therefore I spoke," we also believe and therefore speak,
14 knowing that He who raised up the Lord Jesus will also raise us up with Jesus, and will present us with you.
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xxOneness is all about agreement. John 17-22 Jesus prayed that we may be one the same way that Jesus and God are one. Jesus submitted to every Word of God that shows His agreement. We are to submit to every Word of God to show our agreement.
Jesus prayed John 17-22 that we "are one" with Jesus and God the Father. And that doesnt make us God any more than it made Jesus God to be one with God.
THE I AM DELUSION
John 7:39-43
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.
41 Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
43 So there was a division among the people because of him.
John 7:51-52
51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?
52 They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.
John 8:1-2
1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
John 8:12
12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8:16-18
16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John 8:21
21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
John 8:23-24
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 8:28-29
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
John 8:58-59
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
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xxx Jesus was teaching in the temple and they were questioning Him on whether or not He was the Christ. Then they all went home and came back the next day to question Him some more. When Jesus told them: you will die in your sins if you do not believe that I am He. Then in verse 58 Jesus was telling them that even before Abraham that I am . But they picked up stones to throw at Him so they cut Jesus off in the middle of His sentance and Jesus got out of there. Jesus was claiming that" I AM He" the Christ. Jesus was not claiming He was God.
verse 24 and 28 Jesus said it, I am he. Jesus was saying He was the Christ that they were speaking of in John 7-41. But in is obvious why they didnt understand from John 7-39 they havent received the Holy Spirit yet. And even today many do not know the Spirit and get deceived in the verses.
Only People Who Worship In The Flesh Believe Jesus Is God
On Ro 9
Paul is talking about having great sorrow and grief over those who worship in the flesh.According to the flesh he could even wish he were cut off from Christ. Because those who worship in the flesh believe that Christ came and that Christ is the eternally blessed God.But as Paul says they are not all Israel who are from Israel nor are they children of Abraham seed. Those who worship in the flesh and believe this are not children of God.
Rom 9:1-8
1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.
3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh,
4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises;
5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,
7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called."
8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
Luke 16:15
15 And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
　
xxx The only trinity in the Word of God is the dragon, devil,satan.
Rev 12:9
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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[Squeaky]

MORE FALSE EVIDENCE FROM THE TRINITY
Every verse is a spiritual principle about righteousness. And they are all written in the context they are in to help the beginner learn. And to lead one to the Holy Spirit the only guaranteed teacher from God. They the Holy Spirit will put them principles in the Spiritual order that God intended.
The context of verse 28. Taken by itself looks like it is speaking of Gods blood. But taken in context with the way it is written. Paul is speaking of the ministry that Jesus gave him to preach about the church of God that Jesus was preaching. And in that context Paul is speaking about the blood of Jesus.
Acts 20:24-28
24 "But none of these things move me; nor do I count my life dear to myself, so that I may finish my race with joy, and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God.
25 "And indeed, now I know that you all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, will see my face no more.
26 "Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men.
27 "For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God.
28 "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
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The context of verse 8 taken by itself looks like God is calling Jesus God. And God being a spiritual title of authority. But taken in context in verse 6 we see that will only happen AFTER God brings Jesus back into the world. Which hasnt happened yet.
Heb 1:6-8
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
7 And of the angels He says: "Who makes His angels spirits and His ministers a flame of fire."
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
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The context of verse 13 appears that Jesus and God are the same. But read in context we see that it is talking about who brought grace and salvation to show us which is Jesus. And He brought it from God, God sent Jesus. So they are both working together for our redemption.
Titus 2:11-14
11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,
13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
The context of verse 9 Is look at what all I do, I'm not doing it but the Father that dwells in Me. God is invisible, but if you want to know what God would look like watch what I do.

John 14:8-11
8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us."
9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
11 "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
2 Cor 5:19
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
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This is the true God the One that is in the Son Jesus Christ.
I Jn 5:19-20
19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
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[Squeaky]

Deity-Divinity
I have seen these words used in so many different context, that I had to go to the library and look in the big dictionary. To try to find out why these people are using it the way they are. It amazed me. The carnal language is dangerous because it is satans play ground. Satan can use the carnal mind, change a few words, exaggerate anything there. But the spiritual mind which is only verses, he has no power. He can only try with a piece of a verse, and this is why I tell everybody. If you ever get a piece of a verse, go look it up for verification. But he(satan) will not use a whole verse because that is glorifiing Christ. And satan is anti-christ. Now when I speak of verses I'm speaking of new testament verses, because we know that he(satan) quotes old testament verses. And yes the Holy Spirit quotes old testament verses to. But Christ is the new testament. Anyway check out these deffinitions from the big dictionary at the library.

deity 1 a: often cap : divine nature or rank: the essintial nature of a god or of a supreme being: DIVINITY
di-vin-i-ty 1:the quality or state of being divine: nature or essence of God: GODHEAD (the divinity of Jesus) a celestial being inferior to the supreme God but superior to man<one of the subservient divinities>
Now it doesnt say that Jesus is God, what it says is He is second in command, it says Jesus is inferior to the supreme God but over every other creature in heaven and on earth.
I got my deffinitions from websters new world dictionary copyright 1993

 

[daughterforligh]

Squek on like a rusty wheel, Dear Squeaky...
I have a sense of humor and some people crack me up
Go like hell fella...

Keep well

 

[Squeaky]

Squek on like a rusty wheel, Dear Squeaky...
I have a sense of humor and some people crack me up
Go like hell fella...

Keep well

I said
I went through the three years of the milk understanding. I went through the eleven years of the meat understanding. Then I was born again. And started receiving the revelations of Jesus Christ. I have received over 1500 of them in the past 25 years. On any given subject.

 

[Strypes]

Mark 14:61 But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” 62 And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” 63 And the high priest tore his garments and said, “What further witnesses do we need? 64 You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?” And they all condemned him as deserving death.

That phrase "and coming with the clouds of heaven" may not seem significant to you but it was a real big deal to the high priest. So much so that it was THE reason for condemning Jesus to death.

Ya see, the high priest knew the old testament and when Jesus included that phrase in His answer, the high priest knew exactly what Jesus meant. That is why the high priest tore his clothes and condemned Jesus on the charge of Blasphemy (proclaiming Himself equal with God).


Daniel 7:13 “I saw in the night visions,

and behold, with the clouds of heaven
there came one like a son of man,
and he came to the Ancient of Days
and was presented before him.
14 And to him was given dominion
and glory and a kingdom,
that all peoples, nations, and languages
should serve him;
his dominion is an everlasting dominion,
which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom one
that shall not be destroyed.



You may not understand the significance of this passage in Daniel, but the high priest and the scribes and the pharisees sure did and they condemned Jesus to death because it.


Jesus knew what effect His words would have because the high priest and most of the scribes and pharisees had rejected Him as you are rejecting Him now. Yet Jesus went to that cross and died for your sins and rose from the dead and desires for you to come to Him and repent of your false teachings.

 

[Squeaky]

Mark 14:61 But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” 62 And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” 63 And the high priest tore his garments and said, “What further witnesses do we need? 64 You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?” And they all condemned him as deserving death.

That phrase "and coming with the clouds of heaven" may not seem significant to you but it was a real big deal to the high priest. So much so that it was THE reason for condemning Jesus to death.

Ya see, the high priest knew the old testament and when Jesus included that phrase in His answer, the high priest knew exactly what Jesus meant. That is why the high priest tore his clothes and condemned Jesus on the charge of Blasphemy (proclaiming Himself equal with God).


Daniel 7:13 “I saw in the night visions,

and behold, with the clouds of heaven
there came one like a son of man,
and he came to the Ancient of Days
and was presented before him.
14 And to him was given dominion
and glory and a kingdom,
that all peoples, nations, and languages
should serve him;
his dominion is an everlasting dominion,
which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom one
that shall not be destroyed.



You may not understand the significance of this passage in Daniel, but the high priest and the scribes and the pharisees sure did and they condemned Jesus to death because it.


Jesus knew what effect His words would have because the high priest and most of the scribes and pharisees had rejected Him as you are rejecting Him now. Yet Jesus went to that cross and died for your sins and rose from the dead and desires for you to come to Him and repent of your false teachings.

I said
I've seen a lot of people assume that the Jews know what they were talking about. when they hollered blasphemy. But you need to remember none of them had received the Holy Spirit yet.

John 7:39
39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
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Mark 14:61-64
61 But He kept silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?"
62 And Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."
63 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "What further need do we have of witnesses?
64 "You have heard the blasphemy! What do you think?" And they all condemned Him to be worthy of death.
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[Strypes]

I said
I've seen a lot of people assume that the Jews know what they were talking about. when they hollered blasphemy. But you need to remember none of them had received the Holy Spirit yet.

Balderdash!


I wonder if you are trying to be comical or are really that ignorant.

 

[Strypes]

" But you need to remember none of them had received the Holy Spirit yet."~Squeaky


lol.. That is funny.


In case it is a matter of ignorance, I will explain it to you. The high priest and the scribes and pharisees rejected Jesus.. they would never receive the Holy Spirit.... that is unless they repented.

 

[Squeaky]

" But you need to remember none of them had received the Holy Spirit yet."~Squeaky


lol.. That is funny.


In case it is a matter of ignorance, I will explain it to you. The high priest and the scribes and pharisees rejected Jesus.. they would never receive the Holy Spirit.... that is unless they repented.

I said
I guess you didn't know that. Jesus was sent to the Jews He told His disciples to go to the Jews. I know of 12 Jews that followed Jesus. His disciples.

Matt 15:24
24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
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Matt 10:5-7
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
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[Strypes]

In case it is a matter of ignorance, I will explain it to you. The high priest and the scribes and pharisees rejected Jesus.. they would never receive the Holy Spirit.... that is unless they repented.

I said
I guess you didn't know that. Jesus was sent to the Jews He told His disciples to go to the Jews. I know of 12 Jews that followed Jesus. His disciples.

Matt 15:24
24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
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Matt 10:5-7
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
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That confirms it...lol

 

[DHC]

That confirms it...lol

Hello Strypes.

I was also puzzled by the following line.

I've seen a lot of people assume that the Jews know what they were talking about. when they hollered blasphemy.
But you need to remember none of them had received the Holy Spirit yet.

When someone breaks the law, it is evident to everyone that they are breaking the law.
This is especially true for very serious breaches of the Mosaic law, such as murder or blasphemy.
The law was given to Israel and the punishments for these offences were also given to Israel.

You do not need the Holy Spirit to identify a murderer.
You do not need the Holy Spirit to identify a blasphemer.
You do not need the Holy Spirit to identify a sabbath breaker.

We are not talking about tax laws here, where they may be fine print in the legislation.
We are talking about fundamental laws on which the Jewish society was based!

Either Jesus was not God and committing blasphemy or Jesus is God and is not
then committing blasphemy.

 

[DHC]

I said
I've seen a lot of people assume that the Jews know what they were talking about. when they hollered blasphemy. But you need to remember none of them had received the Holy Spirit yet.

Hello Squeaky.

The following statement by Jesus is a powerful case of blasphemy.

John 14:9
Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip?
He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Jesus is telling Philip that anyone who has seen Him has seen the Father!

No man could ever make that statement, it is beyond question that Jesus committed blasphemy.
The only way that any man could make that statement is if the man Himself was the Father!

 

[Squeaky]

Hello Strypes.

I was also puzzled by the following line.

When someone breaks the law, it is evident to everyone that they are breaking the law.
This is especially true for very serious breaches of the Mosaic law, such as murder or blasphemy.
The law was given to Israel and the punishments for these offences were also given to Israel.

You do not need the Holy Spirit to identify a murderer.
You do not need the Holy Spirit to identify a blasphemer.
You do not need the Holy Spirit to identify a sabbath breaker.

We are not talking about tax laws here, where they may be fine print in the legislation.
We are talking about fundamental laws on which the Jewish society was based!

Either Jesus was not God and committing blasphemy or Jesus is God and is not
then committing blasphemy.

I said
That is the poorest most deceiving explanation as I have ever heard. If it is obvious when someone breaks the law. We wouldn't need courts. Even now sense DNA came out we find hundreds of people getting out of prison because they were falsely convicted. Jesus was crucified for blasphemy. Do you believe Jesus ever committed that sin? You have the understanding and discernment skills of a radish.

 

[B-A-C]

Isa 40:8; The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.
1 Pet 1:25; BUT THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER." And this is the word which was preached to you.

If God is able to create all the stars in the universe, and create every grain of sand in the ocean, and control the courses of rivers, and even control
where every single raindrop falls. If he is able to count the number of hairs on every single persons head, I think he can control what went into the Bible.
Nothing is there by accident, nothing is there that doesn't need to be there, and nothing is not there that needs to be there.

As soon as we start saying parts of the Bible are wrong, then we can start picking out which parts we don't like and simply say they are wrong.
Then we can start making up our own doctrines. Either the entire Bible is true, or none of it is true. This is how cults get started. Almost everyone of them says
there are mistakes in the Bible.

I've heard several times in my life time there are mistakes in different translations (well, it's certainly true some changes are made on purpose, such as the NWT Bible
and the "Gender neutral" Bible.) But yet you see old Bibles from time to time. The Vatican has a Bible from the 7th century. The Smithsonian has a Bible older than that.
The dead sea scrolls are dated back to the 2nd century. Of course the Bible we have today was different from the Bible of Jesus and the apostle's time. (It's still
Jesus's time by the way). The letters from the apostles weren't added until later after they were virtually all dead. But in many cases these letters were all they had.
Imagine living in Ephesus, or Galatia. What if all you had for a doctrine was the letter of Ephesians, or Galatians. (try reading only that book for a month) so that letter was
so important to them it was copied (very verbatim) and given to other churches, other believers, and even hidden in caves.

The point is... all of these very old Bible manuscripts, match what we have today exactly down to the finest details. There were no doctrine changes.
I myself have a Bible almost 350 years old. It's not in very good shape, I keep it in a box in a plastic bag. Every now and then I take it out and compare it
to the Bible I have today. I'm sure early Christians did the same thing.

Acts 17:10; The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Acts 17:11; Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.

2 Tim 2:15; (AMP) Study and be eager and do your utmost to present yourself to God approved (tested by trial), a workman who has no cause to be ashamed, correctly analyzing and accurately dividing [rightly handling and skillfully teaching] the Word of Truth.

 

[B-A-C]

Isa 45:5; "I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me;
Exod 34:14; --for you shall not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God--
Deut 4:35; "To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is no other besides Him.
Exod 20:3; "You shall have no other gods besides Me.
Isa 44:6; "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.

The Jews were not to worship any other God, but they worshiped Jesus, they knew He was the same God.

Matt 2:2; "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him."
Matt 2:11; After coming into the house they saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell to the ground and worshiped Him. Then, opening their treasures, they presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
Matt 14:33; And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God's Son!"
John 9:38; And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him.
Matt 4:10; Then Jesus *said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'"

Jesus is not an Angel, never was. Never will be.

Heb 1:4; having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5; For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
Heb 1:6; And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."
Heb 1:7; And of the angels He says, "WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE."
Heb 1:8; But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
Heb 1:13; But to which of the angels has He ever said, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET"?

 

[Squeaky]

Isa 40:8; The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.
1 Pet 1:25; BUT THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER." And this is the word which was preached to you.

If God is able to create all the stars in the universe, and create every grain of sand in the ocean, and control the courses of rivers, and even control
where every single raindrop falls. If he is able to count the number of hairs on every single persons head, I think he can control what went into the Bible.
Nothing is there by accident, nothing is there that doesn't need to be there, and nothing is not there that needs to be there.

As soon as we start saying parts of the Bible are wrong, then we can start picking out which parts we don't like and simply say they are wrong.
Then we can start making up our own doctrines. Either the entire Bible is true, or none of it is true. This is how cults get started. Almost everyone of them says
there are mistakes in the Bible.

I've heard several times in my life time there are mistakes in different translations (well, it's certainly true some changes are made on purpose, such as the NWT Bible
and the "Gender neutral" Bible.) But yet you see old Bibles from time to time. The Vatican has a Bible from the 7th century. The Smithsonian has a Bible older than that.
The dead sea scrolls are dated back to the 2nd century. Of course the Bible we have today was different from the Bible of Jesus and the apostle's time. (It's still
Jesus's time by the way). The letters from the apostles weren't added until later after they were virtually all dead. But in many cases these letters were all they had.
Imagine living in Ephesus, or Galatia. What if all you had for a doctrine was the letter of Ephesians, or Galatians. (try reading only that book for a month) so that letter was
so important to them it was copied (very verbatim) and given to other churches, other believers, and even hidden in caves.

The point is... all of these very old Bible manuscripts, match what we have today exactly down to the finest details. There were no doctrine changes.
I myself have a Bible almost 350 years old. It's not in very good shape, I keep it in a box in a plastic bag. Every now and then I take it out and compare it
to the Bible I have today. I'm sure early Christians did the same thing.

Acts 17:10; The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Acts 17:11; Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.

2 Tim 2:15; (AMP) Study and be eager and do your utmost to present yourself to God approved (tested by trial), a workman who has no cause to be ashamed, correctly analyzing and accurately dividing [rightly handling and skillfully teaching] the Word of Truth.

I said
I agree.

 

[Squeaky]

Impostors Lead You Away From The Word Of God.
2 Tim 3:13-14
13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.
14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them,
(NKJ)
DOCTRINE FALSE
Heb 13:9
9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.
(NKJ)
1 Tim 4:1-7
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;
5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6 If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed.
7 But reject profane and old wives' fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness.
(NKJ)
Mark 7:6-8
6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
8 "For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men-- the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do."
(NKJ)
Matt 16:12
12 Then they understood that He did not tell them to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
(NKJ)
2 Tim 4:1-5
1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:
2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
(NKJ)
2 Tim 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
(NKJ)
Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
(NKJ)
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)
2 Tim 3:13-17
13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.
14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them,
15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
(NKJ)
xxx There are false doctrines, false bibles, deceptive sayings. The key in all of them is the Holy Spirit. If you cant find the Holy Spirit in your doctrine after three years you have a false doctrine. And you should move on.
The only two I have found the Holy Spirit in is the KJV and the NKJV.

 

[RJ]

I said
I went through the three years of the milk understanding. I went through the eleven years of the meat understanding. Then I was born again. And started receiving the revelations of Jesus Christ. I have received over 1500 of them in the past 25 years. On any given subject.

You Da Man!

 

[Squeaky]

You Da Man!

I said
ok thanks