Covenants and Testaments, old and new.

[brakelite]

Covenants and testaments are based on promises and agreements between two or more parties.
Our Creator God is a God of infinite, unfailing, unwavering, uncompromising love. It always has been and always will be that He would have His erring sinful proud and unbelieving creatures to know this love, and therefore, to know Him.It has always been His heartfelt yearning that God and man should be on the most if intimate of terms and that both may know the joy and peace that would come from a loving relationship with one another. The entire Government of God, the Kingdom of Heaven, and the laws by which it is governed, is based on this love. And everything God purposes to do, promises, accomplishes, says and does, has as its motivating principle God's perfect love. (Deut. 7:7,8; Isa. 63:7-9; 1 John 4:7-21; 1 John 5:1-4)

That is why, when Adam sinned, God still sought him out. (Gen. 3:9) Love was the motivating factor behind God's promise (Genesis 3:15; Nahum 1:9) that the damage to the relationship caused by sin would ultimately be undone (Isa 59:2); that the power of Satan over our lives would be reversed (John 8:34; Romans 6:16,20; 2 Peter 2:19) and the power of death would be overcome (Ezek. 18:4,20; Romans 5:12; Romans 6:23). How was God to accomplish all this while at the same time honouring justice, love and mercy? Through Jesus Christ.

The plan of redemtpion was not an afterthought, an emergency crisis plan developed after the fall of Adam. It was a "revelation of the mystery kept secret through times eternal" (Romans 16:25 RV) Forseeing the apostasy of Satan and his deception of Adam and Eve causing their fall, God had already prepared to meet the crisis. So great was His love for man that He covenanted to give "His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life).

This covenant was to be shown in types and symbols. They were a "lesson book" for the people of Israel (Gal. 3:24,25) and beginning from the very first sacrifice slain by God Himself to clothe Adam and Eve (Gen 3:21) the people of Israel were to learn (or should have learned) three viatl lessons.
1. That sin results in death. (Hebrews 10:1-4) for remission is only possible through the shedding of blood( Hebrews 9:22)
2. That the constant shedding of innocent blood was to teach man an abhorrence and hatred for sin and thus encourage the people to repent and turn away from it (Isa 1:11-20; Ezek. 18:21-23)
3. The symbols, sacrifices, and services of the sanctuary were a prophetic picture of a coming saviour; they were a depiction of the gospel of grace. (Gen. 22:8; Isa 53:6,7)

And how were these promises, this covenant, to be appropriated by the individual personally? By faith. (Hebrews 11) Was Israel at any time justifiied or saved by works of the law? No. Not at all. A big error they did make however was to do just that. To rely on their participation in these services and sacrifices etc rather than in the grace and mercy of God. (Rom. 10:3-8; Heb. 2:4)

What then, does all this mean for us living as we know in the "New Testament" times? What is this New Testament, or covenant? God's love has not changed, nor His purpose in undoing all the works of Satan. (1 John 3:8) Therefore the new covenant must involve a new method by which He is to be able to fulfil His promises. Why? Because the old covenant was based on faulty promises. Were God's promises faulty? Surely not, no, but rather the peoples promises. (Heb. 8:6,7) The people had misjudged the part they were to play in the covenant. In Exod. 19:5,6 God promised (again) that He would make of them a mighty nation and a holy people, and their response was in the form of a faulty promise. They answered, "all that the Lord hath spoken we will do". (Exod. 19:8) Unfortunately they had little idea of what they promised. God said that He would perform and establish His covenant; rather than thanking Him and surrendering themselves in faith and acceptance to His promise, they said they would perform His promise. His covenant. History reveals of course the abject failure of this promise, failure to such an extent that Israel didn't even recognise the very God of the covenant when He visited and they killed Him.

Therefore God had to make a new covenant with the house of Israel, based on better promises (Heb. 8:9,10) Today, God's promises remain. He still would bring us power and victory over Satan and sin, but the method by which He would accomplish this has changed. The just however must still live by faith.

The old covenant, the old method by which God was to save His people and establish righteousness and obedience to His commandments was through the Mosaic law. Circumcision, sacrifices and burnt offerings, the annual sabbaths and feast days and the accompanying services of the sanctuary etc (Hebrews 9:1-7), comprised God's method to teach His people, the nation of Israel, the ways of righteousness. They were His lesson book. Israel was to look upon these as the gosple of mercy and in faith look ahead to their Saviour, their Messiah. the new covenant is still by faith, not in a coming Saviour, but in a risen Saviour, Who writes His holy moral law in our hearts and minds. (2 Cor. 3:3) Thus, through Jesus, Satan is conquered, and his power over us is broken. Justice is satisfied, and God looks upon us as if we had never sinned. God gives us the new birth experience and the power to overcome sin. (1 John 3:9; 2 Peter 1:3,4). He dies in our place, and we, by faith die with Him. (Romans 6:1-7) And the result is what Adam and Eve had before the fall: a loving personal relatiopnship with our Creator. Only today, by God's grace and mercy, we are close to Him than Adam and Eve could have ever wished for, for we have His Spirit abiding within. (Coll. 1:27)

Therefore God shows that His love is unconditional. He died while we were yet sinners. But His promises are not unconditional, nor have they ever been. Adam and Eve found that out.

Obedience is a prerequsite to our ultimate salvation. While Christ is "made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification and redemption (1 Cor 1:30) yet the only ones who are perfected or sanctified are those who fully accept His grace. True, He is able to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them" (Heb 7:25) yet those who would be saved must come unto God and "lay hold upon eternal life". (1 Tim. 6:19) When we accept Him, we are justified; His righteousness is imputed to us and we stand before God just as if we had never sinned. But only those who follow on and experience Him as an indwelling power, and who continually appropriate His grace for victory over their sinful natures, are sanctified or perfected.

Arthur W. Pink says:
Justification and sanctification are never separated; where God imputes the righteousness of Christ, He also imparts a principle of holiness, the latter being the fruit or consequence of the former; both being necessary before we can be admitted into heaven. Because the blood of Christ has met every claim of God upon and against His people, its virtues and purifying effects are applied to them by His Spirit.....for the blood of Christ is not merely, so to speak, the key unlocking the Holy of Holies to Him as our High Priest and Redeemer, it is not merely our ransom by which we are delivered out of bondage, and freed from the curse, are brought nigh unto God; but it also separates us from death and sin. It is incorruptable, always cleansing and vivifying; through this blood we are separated from the evil world, and overcome; by this blood we keep our garments white. (John 6:53; Rev 7:14)

Thus obedience to God in all things is essential to our ultimate salvation. The method by which this is accomplished has been changed. Former adherence to rites and services and sacrifices has been done away with, nailed to the cross. Faith in a coming Saviour is fulfilled by His arrival, and we by faith now trust in His Spirit abiding in us to create in us the image of Christ that first resided in Adam before the fall. This work that makes us one with Christ and the Father is a work of a lifetime. It is only by our daily surrender and submission to the Holy Spirit that this is appropriated in our lives. Thus our obedience to God's laws are not a means to justification, but the fruit of our sanctification.

And for those who would believe that the law of God written upon stone is completely done away with I would remind you that in every agreement I know of there are two copies, one given to each participant in the agreement. Our copy was written upon tables of stone, placed inside the ark, which in turn was placed inside the Holy of Holies where the very presence of God abode in the sanctuary. The holiest place on the planet. And just as the earthly sanctuary was a copy of the heavenly, we would expect also that God had an ark in heaven, and we could also presume that inside that ark was His copy of the covenant, after all, it is called the ark of the covenant, and that presumption would be correct for we read:
Revel. 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

This vision my friends is a new testament vision. The laws of God as contained in the tables of stone still abide in the throne room of Go, the holiest place in heaven. They are still the laws of the kingdom.

 

[james g]

The Covenant theologians have ever remained well within the scope of Reformation doctrine. We can be thankful for this with regard to justification by faith, but when it comes to sanctification via Christ our life, it is a different matter. Substitution is clearly proclaimed; identification (our death to the law and our life in Christ) by and large has not been recognized. merging Israel with born-again believers, the law is brought right on past Calvary and fastened upon the Christian. Throughout the realm of sanctification Covenant Calvinism fails "to distinguish the things that differ" (Phil. 1:10)



Following are representative statements regarding sanctification by well-known Covenant theologians:


Arthur Pink

"Is the disciple to be above his Master, the servant superior to his Lord? Christ was ‘made under the law’ (Gal. 4:4), and lived in perfect submission thereto, and has left us an example that we should ‘follow His steps’ (I Peter 2:21). Only by loving, fearing, and obeying the law, shall we be kept from sinning.

"There is an unceasing warfare between the flesh and the Spirit, each bringing forth ‘after its own kind,’ so that groans ever mingle with the Christian’s songs. The believer finds himself alternating between thanking God for deliverance from temptation and contritely confessing his deplorable yielding to temptation. Often he is made to cry, ‘O wretched man that I am!’ (Rom. 7:24). Such has been for upwards of twenty-five years the experience of the writer, and it is still so." (The Doctrine of Sanctification, pp. 71, 121.)

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H. Bonar

"Redemption forms a new obligation to law-keeping as well as puts us in a position for it. Yes, Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law,’ but certainly not from the law itself; for that would be to redeem us from a divine rule and guide; it would be to redeem us from that which is ‘holy and just and good."’ (God’s Way of Holiness, pp. 81, 83.)

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J. C. Ryle

"Genuine sanctification will show itself in habitual respect for God’s law, and habitual effort to live in obedience to it as a rule of life. There is no greater mistake than to suppose that a Christian has nothing to do with the law and the Ten Commandments, because he cannot be justified by keeping them. The same Holy Spirit who convinces the believer of sin by the law, and leads him to Christ for justification, will always lead him to a spiritual use of the law in the pursuit of sanctification." (Holiness, p. 27.)



We turn to the words of two men who, in contrast to the above, based their teachings on the identification truths:

William Kelly

"Every believer is regarded by God as alive from the dead, to bring forth fruit [not works] unto God. The law only deals with a man as long as he lives; never after he is dead. ‘For ye died, and your life is hid with Christ in God.’ And that is not at all what is said of us after a ‘second blessing,’ … or any other step of imaginary perfection. We begin with it… I am identified with Christ dead and risen. It is no longer the law dealing with me to try if it can get any good out of me. I have relinquished all by receiving the Lord Jesus, and I take my stand in Him dead and risen again … as one alive from the dead, to yield myself to God.


"The Gospel supposes that, good and holy and perfect as the law of God is, it is entirely powerless either to justify or sanctify. It cannot in any way make the old nature better; neither is it the rule of life for the new nature. The old man is not subject to the law, and the new man does not need it. The new creature has another object before it, and another power acts upon it, in order to produce what is lovely and acceptable to God—Christ the object, realized by the power of the Holy Spirit." (Galatians, pp. 125, 137.)

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Kelly further states,

"Some good men who in grievous error would impose the law as a rule of life for the Christian mean very well by it but the whole principle is false because the law, instead of being a rule of life, is necessarily a rule of death to one who has sin in his nature. Far from a delivering power, it can only condemn such; far from being a means of holiness, it is, in fact, the strength of sin (1 Cor. 15:56)." (The Holy Spirit, p. 197.)

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C. I. Scofield

"Most of us have been reared and now live under the influence of Galatianism. Protestant theology is for the most part thoroughly Galatianized, in that neither the law nor grace is given its distinct and separate place as in the counsels of God, but they are mingled together in one incoherent system.

"The law is no longer, as in the divine intent, a ministration of death (2 Cor. 3:7), of cursing (Gal. 3:10), or conviction (Rom. 3:19), because we are taught that we must try to keep it, and that by divine help we may. Nor does grace, on the other hand, bring us blessed deliverance from the dominion of sin, for we are kept under the law as a rule of life despite the plain declaration of Romans 6:14—‘For sin shall not have dominion over you; for ye are not under the law but under grace.’" (The Fundamentals for Today, Vol. 2, p. 367.)

How sad to realize that while Calvinism so effectively refutes Arminianism in the realm of justification, its Covenant theology fails the believer in the realm of sanctification just as badly as does Arminianism.
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[David777]

Reasonable summary.

"Some good men who in grievous error would impose the law as a rule of life for the Christian mean very well by it but the whole principle is false because the law, instead of being a rule of life, is necessarily a rule of death to one who has sin in his nature. Far from a delivering power, it can only condemn such; far from being a means of holiness, it is, in fact, the strength of sin (1 Cor. 15:56)." (The Holy Spirit, p. 197.)

This passage is a good summary of the error of including the law
in the Christian life.

The law was imposed on the Jews, to magnify sin. Hence where
sin increased, Grace increased. Thus Jesus Christ arrived to
die for mankind, God's predestined plan.

In Christ you are forgiven, clean, pure. What need has the
Christian for Laws aimed at murderers, thieves, adulterers, etc.

 

[brakelite]

"Some good men who in grievous error would impose the law as a rule of life for the Christian mean very well by it but the whole principle is false because the law, instead of being a rule of life, is necessarily a rule of death to one who has sin in his nature. Far from a delivering power, it can only condemn such; far from being a means of holiness, it is, in fact, the strength of sin (1 Cor. 15:56)." (The Holy Spirit, p. 197.)

This passage is a good summary of the error of including the law
in the Christian life.

The law was imposed on the Jews, to magnify sin. Hence where
sin increased, Grace increased. Thus Jesus Christ arrived to
die for mankind, God's predestined plan.

In Christ you are forgiven, clean, pure. What need has the
Christian for Laws aimed at murderers, thieves, adulterers, etc.

I will reprint a portion of what I wrote on another thread.
In Ezekiel we read that Lucifer was a covering cherub before he rebelled. As a covering cherub it was Lucifer's job description to guard, look after and stand over God's throne which had as its foundation, the law. We know this because the tables of stone were placed inside the ark under the mercy seat in the Holy of Holies which was a reflection of the throne room in heaven.
coverereth...05526 ךכס cakak saw-kak’ or ךכשׂ sakak (#Ex 33:22) saw-kak’

a primitive root; v; {See TWOT on 1475} {See TWOT on 1492} {See TWOT on 2259} {See TWOT on 2260}

AV-cover 15, covering 2, defence 1, defendest 1, hedge in 1, join together 1, set 1, shut up 1; 23

1) (Qal) to hedge, fence about, shut in
2) to block, overshadow, screen, stop the approach, shut off, cover


'Cover' means that it was Lucifer's job to protect God's laws, to guard the sanctity of God's law because they were the foundation of God's government until 'iniquity was found in thee'. Iniquity is sin, and sin John tells us is transgression against the law. So Lucifer, whose job it was to defend the law of God ended up turning against it. Thus the first war ever in history was over the law of God. Lucifer desired to be like God. To be like God means to desire His holiness, to be righteous just like God.
Yet Lucifer was attempting to be holy without the law. Sound familiar? Have you ever heard the argument put forth that we can attain the righteousness of Christ, be created in His image, without the law? I don't know about you, but I read of that every time I enter a Christian forum. That is called self-righteousness.
Lucifer, now Satan, took his cause to the garden of Eden. He suggests Eve can be like God. But to do so Eve had to ignore God's law. To disobey His word. Disobedience to the law is once again presented as a way to holiness.
Throughout man's history Satan has warred against the law of God. And the book of Revelation reveals that this war is going to continue right up to the day Christ returns.
Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

It does not seem strange to me that the clearest statement made by Jesus regarding the duration of the law, is ignored by those who argue for its irrelevance when one considers that Jesus' statement directly contradicts their theory.
Matt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Advocates for the disestablishment of the law would have us to believe that the word 'fulfill' in the above text means 'to do away with'. Thus their interpretive rendering would be: Think not that I have come to destroy the law, or the prophets, I have not come to destroy, but to do away with them.

David, surely you are not suggesting that a Christian is incapable of adultery are you? Or theft? Or even murder? Do all Christians honour their parents, or remain unaffected by advertising therefore do not covet? How about cheating on ones taxes? That's theft and lying. If what you advocate is true, then how will such a one be convicted of sin if there is no law to convict? For without the law there is no sin!!!

 

[JonahofAkron]

I will reprint a portion of what I wrote on another thread.
In Ezekiel we read that Lucifer was a covering cherub before he rebelled. As a covering cherub it was Lucifer's job description to guard, look after and stand over God's throne which had as its foundation, the law. We know this because the tables of stone were placed inside the ark under the mercy seat in the Holy of Holies which was a reflection of the throne room in heaven.
coverereth...05526 ךכס cakak saw-kak&rsquo; or ךכשׂ sakak (#Ex 33:22) saw-kak&rsquo;

a primitive root; v; {See TWOT on 1475} {See TWOT on 1492} {See TWOT on 2259} {See TWOT on 2260}

AV-cover 15, covering 2, defence 1, defendest 1, hedge in 1, join together 1, set 1, shut up 1; 23

1) (Qal) to hedge, fence about, shut in
2) to block, overshadow, screen, stop the approach, shut off, cover


'Cover' means that it was Lucifer's job to protect God's laws, to guard the sanctity of God's law because they were the foundation of God's government until 'iniquity was found in thee'. Iniquity is sin, and sin John tells us is transgression against the law. So Lucifer, whose job it was to defend the law of God ended up turning against it. Thus the first war ever in history was over the law of God. Lucifer desired to be like God. To be like God means to desire His holiness, to be righteous just like God.
Yet Lucifer was attempting to be holy without the law. Sound familiar? Have you ever heard the argument put forth that we can attain the righteousness of Christ, be created in His image, without the law? I don't know about you, but I read of that every time I enter a Christian forum. That is called self-righteousness.
Lucifer, now Satan, took his cause to the garden of Eden. He suggests Eve can be like God. But to do so Eve had to ignore God's law. To disobey His word. Disobedience to the law is once again presented as a way to holiness.
Throughout man's history Satan has warred against the law of God. And the book of Revelation reveals that this war is going to continue right up to the day Christ returns.
Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

It does not seem strange to me that the clearest statement made by Jesus regarding the duration of the law, is ignored by those who argue for its irrelevance when one considers that Jesus' statement directly contradicts their theory.
Matt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Advocates for the disestablishment of the law would have us to believe that the word 'fulfill' in the above text means 'to do away with'. Thus their interpretive rendering would be: Think not that I have come to destroy the law, or the prophets, I have not come to destroy, but to do away with them.

David, surely you are not suggesting that a Christian is incapable of adultery are you? Or theft? Or even murder? Do all Christians honour their parents, or remain unaffected by advertising therefore do not covet? How about cheating on ones taxes? That's theft and lying. If what you advocate is true, then how will such a one be convicted of sin if there is no law to convict? For without the law there is no sin!!!

Nice post. Though I wonder where you received your information about the Adversary, I agree with the point you make using said information.

 

[brakelite]

Ezek. 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Exodus 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.

Ex 37:9 And the cherubims spread out their wings on high, and covered with their wings over the mercy seat, with their faces one to another; even to the mercy seatward were the faces of the cherubims.

Covered....05526 ךכס cakak saw-kak’ or ךכשׂ sakak (#Ex 33:22) saw-kak’

a primitive root; v; {See TWOT on 1475} {See TWOT on 1492} {See TWOT on 2259} {See TWOT on 2260}

AV-cover 15, covering 2, defence 1, defendest 1, hedge in 1, join together 1, set 1, shut up 1; 23

1) (Qal) to hedge, fence about, shut in
2) to block, overshadow, screen, stop the approach, shut off, cover


The sanctuary on earth was scaled down replica of the sanctuary in heaven. So also was the Ark of the Covenant representative of the throne of God. God met with Moses there, God's presence being over the mercy seat. The Ten Commandments were placed inside the ark, testifying to their holiness, and the fact that form an integral part of the foundation of God's throne, and as a corollary to that, His government.

 

[David777]

Hello ozell.

Strange question ozell?

"David, surely you are not suggesting that a Christian is incapable of adultery are you? Or theft? Or even murder? Do all Christians honour their parents, or remain unaffected by advertising therefore do not covet? How about cheating on ones taxes? That's theft and lying. If what you advocate is true, then how will such a one be convicted of sin if there is no law to convict? For without the law there is no sin!!!"

I will supply the answer for you ozell.

Answer: The Holy Spirit.

Please respond to my answer ozell, I want to know what you think.

In addition, before the law death came to all from Adam, there is judgement ozell. How can there be judgement without sin?

 

[B-A-C]

Strange question ozell?

"David, surely you are not suggesting that a Christian is incapable of adultery are you? Or theft? Or even murder? Do all Christians honour their parents, or remain unaffected by advertising therefore do not covet? How about cheating on ones taxes? That's theft and lying. If what you advocate is true, then how will such a one be convicted of sin if there is no law to convict? For without the law there is no sin!!!"

I will supply the answer for you ozell.

Answer: The Holy Spirit.

Please respond to my answer ozell, I want to know what you think.

In addition, before the law death came to all from Adam, there is judgement ozell. How can there be judgement without sin?

Well I'm not sure you could call David a Christian, but he was certainly a believer. The Bible says he did have God's Spirit upon him.
(Acts 1:16, Acts 4:25, Mar 12:36, Matt 22:43, etc..)
He certainly committed adultery. (2Sam 11) I suppose you could even say he commited murder (indirectly).

In 1Cor 5:1 we see a believer having an affair with his fathers wife, yet in 1Cor 5:5, we see him being turned over to satan so that... "his spirit might be saved".

If committing a sin (any sin) makes us stop being a Christian.. then we are all in big trouble. On the other hand if we continue in that sin over and over again well...

1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

 

[brakelite]

Strange question ozell?

"David, surely you are not suggesting that a Christian is incapable of adultery are you? Or theft? Or even murder? Do all Christians honour their parents, or remain unaffected by advertising therefore do not covet? How about cheating on ones taxes? That's theft and lying. If what you advocate is true, then how will such a one be convicted of sin if there is no law to convict? For without the law there is no sin!!!"

I will supply the answer for you ozell.

Answer: The Holy Spirit.

Please respond to my answer ozell, I want to know what you think.

In addition, before the law death came to all from Adam, there is judgement ozell. How can there be judgement without sin?

Wasn't Ozell that asked that question David. I agree that the Holy Spirit convicts of sin. But the Holy Spirit would not convict of sin if there was no law as the basis for that conviction, for sin is the transgression of the law. The fact that the Holy Spirit does convict of sin is definitive proof that the law still stands.

Similar answer to your last question. Adam sinned. Therefore there must have been a law. Lucifer sinned, in fact Jesus said Satan was a murderer from the beginning, and a liar, and covetous. You know what law that was David? "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart". Love is an attribute of God, therefore love is eternal. The Ten Commandments are simply love broken down into its various component parts; "For love is the fulfilling of the law". " On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."
To abrogate the law is to abrogate love. The law, that is the Ten Commandment law, is synonymous with love. They are the same. And because love is the essence of the character of God, then the Ten Commandments are a transcript of that character. They can no more be done away with than can God Himself.
"For this is the love of God. That we keep His commandments."

 

[RJ]

Wasn't Ozell that asked that question David. I agree that the Holy Spirit convicts of sin. But the Holy Spirit would not convict of sin if there was no law as the basis for that conviction, for sin is the transgression of the law. The fact that the Holy Spirit does convict of sin is definitive proof that the law still stands.

Similar answer to your last question. Adam sinned. Therefore there must have been a law. Lucifer sinned, in fact Jesus said Satan was a murderer from the beginning, and a liar, and covetous. You know what law that was David? "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart". Love is an attribute of God, therefore love is eternal. The Ten Commandments are simply love broken down into its various component parts; "For love is the fulfilling of the law". " On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."
To abrogate the law is to abrogate love. The law, that is the Ten Commandment law, is synonymous with love. They are the same. And because love is the essence of the character of God, then the Ten Commandments are a transcript of that character. They can no more be done away with than can God Himself.
"For this is the love of God. That we keep His commandments."

Yes, the law of the Ten Commandments was perfect, holy and righteousness but, It was insufficient for salvation because we are imperfect. It is perfect in purpose because it reveals our sin to us.

Pauls says that the 10 commandments was replaced by love and in 1 COR 13, he describes that love and, again, it is perfect love, Agape love.

The irony is that love , as a replacement, it is insufficient as well because we can't do that 24/7 either.

The 10 commandments and love are worthy goals in our life and we should embrace then costantly but, to keep them perfectly, which is a requirement of the law, is impossible for us.

Thanks be to God for his New Covenant and grace to us because it is perfect and completely takes us out of the equation and is therefore, perfectly sufficient.

The cross forgives and the resurrection gives life and saves!

 

[JonahofAkron]

Yes, the law of the Ten Commandments was perfect, holy and righteousness but, It was insufficient for salvation because we are imperfect. It is perfect in purpose because it reveals our sin to us.

Negatory, good buddy. It wasn't intended to save. Several in the Pharisee and Sadducee parties believed it did, but Paul sought to correct this understanding.

Paul says that the 10 commandments was replaced by love and in 1 COR 13, he describes that love and, again, it is perfect love, Agape love.

Where is this again? I read no 'replacement' of any commands...anywhere.

The irony is that love , as a replacement, it is insufficient as well because we can't do that 24/7 either.

Which is probably why it isn't a replacement. I might even say that it could not be replaced by love...because it is love.

The 10 commandments and love are worthy goals in our life and we should embrace then costantly but, to keep them perfectly, which is a requirement of the law, is impossible for us.

I agree. That isn't the point-to keep them as a 'requirement'. It is only out of love that we should keep them. I think 1John 5 adequately explains the position.

Thanks be to God for his New Covenant and grace to us because it is perfect and completely takes us out of the equation and is therefore, perfectly sufficient.

His first covenants were gracious as well. Juxtaposition of grace and Law is a misapplication of several verses in the Apostolic Writings based on an inserted translator note that puts the word 'but' to solidify a point that doesn't exist.

The cross forgives and the resurrection gives life and saves!

The cross forgives nothing and the resurrection gives no life and saves no one. It is only through the Messiah who endured that one will find life, forgiveness, and salvation.

 

[james g]

<DIR>1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, </DIR><DIR>1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. </DIR><DIR>1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. </DIR><DIR>1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. </DIR>B-A-C

 

[RJ]

Negatory, good buddy. It wasn't intended to save. Several in the Pharisee and Sadducee parties believed it did, but Paul sought to correct this understanding.

Where is this again? I read no 'replacement' of any commands...anywhere.

Which is probably why it isn't a replacement. I might even say that it could not be replaced by love...because it is love.

I agree. That isn't the point-to keep them as a 'requirement'. It is only out of love that we should keep them. I think 1John 5 adequately explains the position.

His first covenants were gracious as well. Juxtaposition of grace and Law is a misapplication of several verses in the Apostolic Writings based on an inserted translator note that puts the word 'but' to solidify a point that doesn't exist.

The cross forgives nothing and the resurrection gives no life and saves no one. It is only through the Messiah who endured that one will find life, forgiveness, and salvation.

Please, no offense but, you are not reading the same Bible that I am.

Negatory, good buddy. It wasn't intended to save. Several in the Pharisee and Sadducee parties believed it did, but Paul sought to correct this understanding.
? That was my exact point, the law was not intended to save but to reveal the sin in the lives of the Israelites.


Where is this again? I read no 'replacement' of any commands...anywhere.

The 10 commandments came from the Old Covenant which we are no longer under. Hear is a few examples how it was replaced:

A.
Old Covenant – Moses as Minister (2 Corinthians 3:13-15; John 1:17; Hebrews 3:5)

New Covenant - Jesus’ Disciples as Ministers (2 Corinthians 3:6; John 16:12-15)

• Old Covenant - A Covenant of the Letter (2 Corinthians 3:6)
• New Covenant - A Covenant of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:6-8)

• Old Covenant - A Covenant which Kills (2 Corinthians 3:6)
• New Covenant - A Covenant which Gives Life (2 Corinthians 3:6 – literally “makes alive”)

• Old Covenant - A Ministry of Death (2 Corinthians 3:7)
• New Covenant - A Ministry of Life (2 Corinthians 3:6)

• Old Covenant - A Ministry of Condemnation (2 Corinthians 3:9)
• New Covenant - A Ministration of Righteousness (2 Corinthians 3:9)

• Old Covenant - A Covenant Written with Ink (2 Corinthians 3:3)
• New Covenant - A Covenant Written with the Spirit of the Living God (2 Corinthians 3:3)

• Old Covenant - A Covenant Written on Stone (2 Corinthians 3:3-7)
• New Covenant - A Covenant Written on the Heart of Man (2 Corinthians 3:3; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 11:19-20; 36:26)

• Old Covenant - A Covenant which came with Glory (2 Corinthians 3:7; Exodus 34:29-35)
• New Covenant - A Covenant which came with the Greatest Glory (2 Corinthians 3:8-11)

• Old Covenant - A Covenant whose Glory was Passing/Fading (2 Corinthians 3:7)
• New Covenant - A Covenant whose Glory Continues to Shine (2 Corinthians 3:18)

• Old Covenant - A Veiled or Covered Glory (2 Corinthians 3:12-16)
• New Covenant - An Unveiled, Ever-Increasing Glory (2 Corinthians 3:18)

• Old Covenant - A Covenant Destined to be Done Away (2 Corinthians 3:11; Hebrews 7:12, 8:13, 10:9)
• New Covenant - A Covenant Destined to Last Forever (2 Corinthians 3:11; Hebrews 13:20)

B.
"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."—Jeremiah 31:31–34
A New Covenant, agreement, contract replaces the former!
Hebrews 8:6
New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)

<SUP id=en-NIV1984-30083 class=versenum>6</SUP> But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.
You contradict yourself with this passage. If Jesus is the mediator of a superior covenant it replaces the first. Besides, a covenant is an agreement or his will for us and this current will superceeds the old one.


Which is probably why it isn't a replacement. I might even say that it could not be replaced by love...because it is love.

Love fufills the the law and completes it.

Romans 13:9


<SUP id=en-NIV1984-28261 class=versenum>9</SUP> The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,”<SUP class=footnote value='[a]'>[a]</SUP> and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”<SUP class=footnote value='[b]'>[b]</SUP>
Footnotes:



I agree. That isn't the point-to keep them as a 'requirement'. It is only out of love that we should keep them. I think 1John 5 adequately explains the position.
Yes strive to but keep them no.God reveals that if we mess up on just one of the commandments under the law, you break the entire set of laws. Thus, the need for a better covenant because we are not able to keep the law 24/7.

His first covenants were gracious as well. Juxtaposition of grace and Law is a misapplication of several verses in the Apostolic Writings based on an inserted translator note that puts the word 'but' to solidify a point that doesn't exist.


The cross forgives nothing and the resurrection gives no life and saves no one.
Surely you are joking!? This is just a play on words, right?

If not, yhen it is amazing, in one sentence you completely turn the Gospel on its head and deny Gods grace. The Gospel that Paul said he preached was the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I strongly suggest that you read this and let it soak in.

The Death

God became human and died on the cross for the sins of the world. God says that there is no forgiveness with out the shedding of blood. The Cross most definetly forgives.

Resurrection

With out the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the cross was meaningless. It is his and only resurrection that gives us life eternal. With out this indwelling there is no God in us and no New Covenant.


It is only through the Messiah who endured that one will find life, forgiveness, and salvation.

 

[james g]

"When he is come, he will reprove [convict] the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment. Of sin, because they believe not on me; of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more: of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged" (John 16:8-11).

(1) Of Sin. It is not the business of the Holy Spirit to convict the world of murder, adultery, etc; the law of the land does this. The Holy Spirit convicts the world of unbelief: "because they believe not on me" (John 16:9). Many times we get the word "convict" confused by thinking that it means to feel guilty; but that is not the meaning at all. "Convict" means to be found guilty as charged. The sinner has already been found guilty of sin — unbelief — whether he feels it or not. Yes, the sinner is already convicted, condemned, and waiting to be sentenced. "He that believeth on him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. . . . the wrath of God abideth upon him" (John 3:18, 36c). The Great White Throne is not the place to determine the guilt of the sinner (to convict him as a sinner), but the place to sentence him to the degree of punishment which his works merit.

(2) Of Righteousness. In what manner does the Spirit convict the world of righteousness? The Holy Spirit does not convict the world of the righteousness it has, but convicts the world where righteousness is — in Christ: "because I go to my Father" (John 16:10).

(3) Of Judgment. If the world rejects Christ, there is nothing left but judgment. "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). The world’s conception of future judgment is confusing. Man has one false idea after another. Yet these universal beliefs, however wrong they may be, are proof positive that there is a time when man must give an account of himself unto God. The Bible is the only true source of the Great White Throne judgment.

 

[james g]

Pauls says

<DIR>Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.</DIR><DIR>Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. </DIR><DIR>Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. </DIR><DIR>Rom 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. </DIR><DIR>Rom 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. </DIR><DIR>Rom 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. </DIR><DIR>Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof</DIR><DIR>Pauls says</DIR><DIR> Gal 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased. </DIR><DIR>Gal 5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you. </DIR><DIR>Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. </DIR><DIR>Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. </DIR><DIR>Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. </DIR><DIR></DIR><DIR>Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. </DIR><DIR>Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. </DIR><DIR>Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. </DIR>

 

[jiggyfly]

Where is this again? I read no 'replacement' of any commands...anywhere.

Read 2Corinthians 3 with special emphasis on verses 7 & 11.

 

[JonahofAkron]

Read 2Corinthians 3 with special emphasis on verses 7 & 11.

While I agree that these verses discuss the new covenant and the 'old', it is abundantly clear that the emphasis is not on the covenants, per say, but on their recipients. The type of argument applied is called 'kol v'chomer and uses direct comparison to impress on the reader that the second is better than the first even though the first is quite good on its own. The argument uses the glory of God as seen in the face of Moshe after he spent his time on the Mountain with the Father, needing to cover his face because of the glory shining from it. Man's sinfulness is what separates him from understanding the truth because of his aversion to the absolute holiness of God and must view the Law in this light until Messiah. As a matter of fact, because the aspects of the Law that are done away with by Messiah's sacrifice and priesthood, calling His new covenant 'of flesh tablets' and 'of the Spirit' changes our understanding of holiness for the better and does not require our sins to continually be covered by the blood of bulls and goats. Yeshua takes them and our punishment on Himself to allow us continual access to the Spirit and righteousness, allowing us to follow His Instruction unimpeded.

 

[B-A-C]

Are there really two covenants in the Bible? Was the OT covenant "good enough"?

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
Rom 8:3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
Rom 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Rom 8:7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
Rom 8:8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Gal 2:17 "But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners, is Christ then a minister of sin? May it never be!
Gal 2:18 "For if I rebuild what I have once destroyed, I prove myself to be a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 "For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
Gal 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
Gal 2:21 "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

Gal 4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman.
Gal 4:23 But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise.
Gal 4:24 This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar.
Gal 4:25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
Gal 4:26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, "REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR; BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR; FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND."
Gal 4:28 And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.
Gal 4:30 But what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN."
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.

Gal 6:12 Those who desire to make a good showing in the flesh try to compel you to be circumcised, simply so that they will not be persecuted for the cross of Christ.
Gal 6:13 For those who are circumcised do not even keep the Law themselves, but they desire to have you circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh.
Gal 6:14 But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
Gal 6:15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

The point here is, that the OT law required Jews to be circumcised. In Acts 15:1-3 we see this is no longer the case.

1Ti 1:7 wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.
1Ti 1:8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully,
1Ti 1:9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
1Ti 1:10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,

Why did we need a new covenant?

Heb 7:11 Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.
Heb 7:13 For the one concerning whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests.
Heb 7:15 And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek,
Heb 7:16 who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life.
Heb 7:17 For it is attested of Him, "YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK."
Heb 7:18 For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness
Heb 7:19 (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as it was not without an oath
Heb 7:21 (for they indeed became priests without an oath, but He with an oath through the One who said to Him, "THE LORD HAS SWORN AND WILL NOT CHANGE HIS MIND, 'YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER'");
Heb 7:22 so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
Heb 7:23 The former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers because they were prevented by death from continuing,
Heb 7:24 but Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues forever, holds His priesthood permanently.
Heb 7:25 Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26 For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens;

The priests of the OT were just human men who sinned like everyone else, so they had to sacrifice for their own sins as well as yours. The new high priest (Jesus) didn't sin like these men, so he can offer up a perfect sacrifice (which was his life). This is why we don't need earthly priests anymore (indeed, why would you want one?) The purpose of a priest was to make sacrifices, the ultimate sacrifice has been made once and for all. (Rom 6:10 and 1Pet 3:18)

Heb 7:27 who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
Heb 7:28 For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, made perfect forever.
Heb 8:1 Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
Heb 8:2 a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices; so it is necessary that this high priest also have something to offer.
Heb 8:4 Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest at all, since there are those who offer the gifts according to the Law;
Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.

The writer of Hebrews is quoting Jeremiah 31:31 (which was written 600 years earlier)

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, He says, "BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL EFFECT A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH;
Heb 8:9 NOT LIKE THE COVENANT WHICH I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS ON THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; FOR THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DID NOT CARE FOR THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 "FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND I WILL WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS. AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.

Heb 9:1 Now even the first covenant had regulations of divine worship and the earthly sanctuary.
Heb 9:2 For there was a tabernacle prepared, the outer one, in which were the lampstand and the table and the sacred bread; this is called the holy place.
Heb 9:3 Behind the second veil there was a tabernacle which is called the Holy of Holies,
Heb 9:4 having a golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden jar holding the manna, and Aaron's rod which budded, and the tables of the covenant;
Heb 9:5 and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat; but of these things we cannot now speak in detail.
Heb 9:6 Now when these things have been so prepared, the priests are continually entering the outer tabernacle performing the divine worship,
Heb 9:7 but into the second, only the high priest enters once a year, not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the sins of the people committed in ignorance.
Heb 9:8 The Holy Spirit is signifying this, that the way into the holy place has not yet been disclosed while the outer tabernacle is still standing,
Heb 9:9 which is a symbol for the present time. Accordingly both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make the worshiper perfect in conscience,
Heb 9:10 since they relate only to food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until a time of reformation.
Heb 9:11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
Heb 9:12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,
Heb 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

AMEN!!!!!!

Heb 9:15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it.
Heb 9:17 For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives.
Heb 9:18 Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood.
Heb 9:19 For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,
Heb 9:20 saying, "THIS IS THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WHICH GOD COMMANDED YOU."
Heb 9:21 And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood.
Heb 9:22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
Heb 9:23 Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24 For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
Heb 9:25 nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own.
Heb 9:26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
Heb 9:27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
Heb 9:28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

Heb 10:1 For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near.
Heb 10:2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins?
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year.
Heb 10:4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME;

Heb 10:14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified

AMEN!!!!!

Heb 10:17 "AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 10:18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Heb 10:19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus,

We can now enter into the presence of God ourselves. This was symbolized by the tearing of the veil at Christ's crucifixion.
( Matt 27:51 Mark 15:38 Luke 23:45 )

Heb 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

 

[jiggyfly]

While I agree that these verses discuss the new covenant and the 'old', it is abundantly clear that the emphasis is not on the covenants, per say, but on their recipients. The type of argument applied is called 'kol v'chomer and uses direct comparison to impress on the reader that the second is better than the first even though the first is quite good on its own. The argument uses the glory of God as seen in the face of Moshe after he spent his time on the Mountain with the Father, needing to cover his face because of the glory shining from it. Man's sinfulness is what separates him from understanding the truth because of his aversion to the absolute holiness of God and must view the Law in this light until Messiah. As a matter of fact, because the aspects of the Law that are done away with by Messiah's sacrifice and priesthood, calling His new covenant 'of flesh tablets' and 'of the Spirit' changes our understanding of holiness for the better and does not require our sins to continually be covered by the blood of bulls and goats. Yeshua takes them and our punishment on Himself to allow us continual access to the Spirit and righteousness, allowing us to follow His Instruction unimpeded.

Then you are misunderstanding what you read, the subject is very clearly about the old and new covenants, and that the old with all it contained has been replaced by the new covenant.

 

[David777]

Please comment.

1 Corinthians 9 (NASB)

19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more.

20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law,
as under the Law though not being myself under the Law,
so that I might win those who are under the Law;

21 to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God
but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.
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The scripture explains that the written code (law) is for the Jews.

It is not and never was part of the Gentile world.