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The doctrine that paul taught was it against the law, p

ozell

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Most of our present day Christian preachers teach against the Law, Prophets and most important Jesus Himself. By making statements such as, "we don't have to keep that old law its been nailed to the cross."


These preachers use the books of Paul to make that statement.

If that were true, that would mean no one would be able to sin.

Why?

Because if there is no law there is no sin. Sin is not imputed or no blame can be accredited to any person when there is no law. B

ut, in I John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
 
So if the law was nailed to the cross that would mean its okay to use the Lords name in vain, put other gods before HIM, make graven images and bow before them, pollute the Sabbath day, steal, commit murder, commit adultery and bear false witness.

If all these things are okay to commit, then we might as well throw the Bible out the back door and do what ever feels good to us.

Today we will find out what law was nailed to the cross.

We will see that Paul was in fact a law keeper and how he preached out of the Law and the Prophets.

Now let's begin by taking a look at both of the laws and how they worked together.

We will see there were two laws given to Moses, they were the commandments and the sacrificial law

Watch how they worked together.
 
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Leviticus 4:1-2)

The law in the scriptures above is the commandments.

Notice something else very important in these two scriptures.

It states, "if a soul shall sin through ignorance."

Notice that the scripture did not says on purpose.

Why?

There is no sacrifice for a sin that is committed willfully.

Let's find out what was to be done if a person committed a sin against the Lord unintentionally.

Let's skip down to the 27th verse and take a look at the second law (which is the sacrificial law).

And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. (Leviticus 4:27-30)
 
When the common people sinned through ignorance and it came to their knowledge, what did they have to do?

They brought an offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for their sin which they had committed, then the priest would offer the animal to the Lord.

Think about this for a moment.

If an animal was killed for a person that committed sin, what will happen to us today if we a trespass against the Lord?

We will find that out later.

Now we see how the sacrificial law was used when a person broke a commandment unintentionally.

Let's go into Paul's writings and take another look at both of these laws. We will go into the Book of Galatians chapter 3.

This is one of the chapters that the majority of Christian preachers use to do away with the Lord's commandments. Now, let's read carefully!

Wherefore then serveth the law?

It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. (Galatians 3:19)
 
Take heed to what Paul's says above,

"Wherefore then serveth the law?

It was added because of transgressions."

What is transgression?

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4)

Transgression is braking of the commandments.

What law was added because of the braking of the law?

The sacrificial law!

Paul is simply asking these Gentiles, "why perform the sacrificial law?

It was added because of sin until the seed should come.

Who is the seed?

Let's back up in this chapter and find out.
 
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ. (Galatians 3:16)

Who is the SEED? CHRIST!

So, this law was added (which is the sacrificial law) until Christ came.

What was the sacrificial law used for until Christ came?
 
Dear Ozell.

What you have stated in your thread is not what is taught in the New Testament. Please read the following passage.

Galations 2:15-17 (NKJV)

“We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified."

This passage is part of a conversation the apostle Paul had with Peter. Peter had been retreating back into the Jewish legal stance.
What Paul tells Peter is precisely the Gospel, Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the law. It is not seperating sacrifical law and the Ten Commandments.

Gentiles are not under the Mosaic law Ozell. Your viewpoint is entirely incorrect. Jesus Christ is the Gospel for Jew and Gentile.

So how will the Gentiles know what sin is without the law?

The Holy Spirit will convict the world of sin. You need to study the New Testament.
 
<DIR>Rom 6:15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.Is this what you are trying to say ozell.</DIR>
 
<DIR>Rom 6:15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.Is this what you are trying to say ozell.</DIR>


part of it.

Paul is talking to the gentiles Roman nation here, correct?

we have gentiles who think they are not under the law and they try to use Pauls writings, this is the intent of this topic.
 
What you have stated in your thread is not what is taught in the New Testament. Please read the following passage.

Galations 2:15-17 (NKJV)

“We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified."

This passage is part of a conversation the apostle Paul had with Peter. Peter had been retreating back into the Jewish legal stance.
What Paul tells Peter is precisely the Gospel, Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the law. It is not seperating sacrifical law and the Ten Commandments.

Gentiles are not under the Mosaic law Ozell. Your viewpoint is entirely incorrect. Jesus Christ is the Gospel for Jew and Gentile.

So how will the Gentiles know what sin is without the law?

The Holy Spirit will convict the world of sin. You need to study the New Testament.

why did Paul teach the Gentiles on the sabbath abnd not the next day sunday?

Acts 13
<SUP>42</SUP>And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

<SUP id=en-KJV-27406 class=versenum>43</SUP>Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. <SUP id=en-KJV-27407 class=versenum>44</SUP>And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

again lets read what Paul taught the gentiles

this is what Paul taught

Acts 28v23
And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Acts 26v22
<SUP>22</SUP>Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come

Acts 24v14
<SUP id=en-KJV-27784 class=versenum>14</SUP>But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

seeing that the NT was not around Paul the apostles to the gentiies
taught the gentiles out of Moses and the prophets the OT.
 
Who is the SEED? CHRIST!

So, this law was added (which is the sacrificial law) until Christ came.

What was the sacrificial law used for until Christ came?

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24)

The sacrificial law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

Before we continue, we must clear one thing up.

Are we justified by faith alone?

Let's see.

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (Romans 3:31)

What law is established?

Certainly not the sacrificial law, we have seen above that it was added because of transgression until the Seed came (which was Christ).

The law established forever is the Lords commandments! Now, let's back up in this chapter to the third verses and point out the two sets of laws.

Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? (Galatians 3:3)

The spirit in this case is the word of God, but pay close attention to what Paul says at the end of the verse.

"Are ye now made perfect by the flesh?"

Can we be made perfect by the flesh?

What flesh is Paul talking about?

Let's go to the book of Hebrews and find out.
 
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)

The flesh Paul spoke of was the animal sacrifices.

Notice what the verse says, "never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect."

That's pretty clear don't you think?

Let's go back to Galatians chapter 3 and take note how Paul uses the word "law" but does not say this is the sacrificial law or the Commandments.

But as we read further in the chapter we will see the difference between the two.


For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. (Galatians 3:10)
 
We have both Laws with in this verse.

In the first part of the verse where it states, "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse:"

This law is the sacrificial law, let's skip to the 13th verse and we will see this clearly.

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: (Galatians 3:13)

Notice what's being said, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us." How was he made a curse for us?
 
<TABLE border=0 width=621><TBODY><TR><TD width=550>Apostle Paul's Teaching on the Law
(Two chapters from The Ground of Growth, The Complete Green Letters)
</TD><TD width=36></TD></TR><TR><TD height=20 width=36></TD><TD height=20 width=550><SMALL>by Miles J. Stanford</SMALL>

</TD><TD height=20 width=36></TD></TR><TR><TD width=36></TD><TD bgColor=#006000 width=550>IN -- LAW
</TD><TD width=36></TD></TR><TR><TD width=36></TD><TD width=550>The believer will remain in bondage as long as he does not know that through the Cross he has been delivered from the reign of the old man, the law, the world, and the Enemy. We have already discussed the Adam-life. In this chapter we will deal with the law, both as commandment and as a principle.
PURPOSE OF THE LAW - Strictly speaking, God's formal Law was given to the nation Israel and to none other. The following points will clarify its place and purpose.
(1) Four hundred and thirty years before God introduced the Law, He gave Abraham the covenant of promise. This covenant had to do with faith, and with Christ.
Faith -- "Abraham believed God, and it wasaccounted to him for righteousness.... So, then, they who are of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham" (Gal. 3:6, 9). </I>"Abraham believed God, and it wasaccounted to him for righteousness.... So, then, they who are of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham" (Gal. 3:6, 9).
Christ -- "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ" (Gal. 3:16). The Father's Old Testament expression of His one and only way of salvation was by grace through faith in the coming Messiah.
(2) Over four centuries after Abraham received the covenant of promise, God presented the Law to the Jews. "For the law was given by Moses" (John 1:17). The Law was not meant to replace the principles of promise, grace, and faith, but was brought in alongside. "The law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot annul, that it should make the promise of no effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, It is no more of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise" (Gal. 3,:17, 19).
(3) God's "law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good" (Rom. 7:12). But it has to do with sin and death [God's testing/trial of the First Adam using representative Israel], not righteousness and life. "For by the law is the knowledge of sin" (Rom. 3:20). The law reveals man's condition and intensifies his need. "But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good--that sin by the commandment might become exceedingly sinful" (Rom. 7:13). [It is critically important to understand this point.]
(4) The Law can have nothing to do with grace, or faith, or life. "No man is justified by the law in the sight of God .... The just shall live by faith. And the law is notof faith .... But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore, the law was our schoolmaster until [marg] Christ, that we might be justified by faith" (Gal. 3:11, 12, 23, 24).
THE LAW AND THE OLD NATURE -- The Law has to do with sin, and therefore it applies to the Adam-life, the old man.
(1) The ministry of the Law is to judge and condemn all that came from Adam. "The law is not made for a righteous man but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners." "For when we were in the flesh [Adam], the sinful impulses, which were [aroused] by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death" (I Tim. 1:9; Rom. 7:5).
(2) The fleshly Adamic nature will have nothing to do with God, nor can God have anything to do with it. He used His Law to judge and condemn it to death. "For the mind of the flesh is death ... because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be" (Rom. 8:6, 7, ASV). [It is incorrigible--bad beyond correction or reform.]
THE CHRISTIAN AND THE OLD NATURE -- The old man, whether Jew or Gentile, is under law. For the former, it is external, via command; for the latter it is internal, via principle. "For when the Gentiles, who have not the [external] law, do by nature the things contained inthe law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves" (Rom. 2:14). The old nature is law-oriented; carnal, not spiritual.
The Christian who is mainly living by means of the old life, and thereby giving expression to the old nature, is carnal, fleshly. (The Latin word for carnal is carnis: flesh).Hence whether by command or by principle, the law is predominant in his life. He is under law as a rule of life; he is in Romans Seven.
Results of Law--Negative:
(1) The law says, Don't sin, so he struggles to keep from sinning. The law says, Do righteousness, so he struggles to be righteous. But the law does not give the Christian power over sin--it gives sin power over the Christian! "The strength of sin is the law" (I Cor. 15:56). "I find then alaw [indwelling principle] that, when I would do good, evil is present with me." "For the good that I would, I do not; but the evil which I would not, that I do" (Rom. 7:21, 19).
(2) The Christian who is walking after the flesh is walking under law, and therefore is doomed to failure. Law applies to the fleshly life, but there is no good thing in that nature; it is neither subject to the law, nor can it be (Rom. 7:18; 8:7). The carnal believer is depending upon fleshly means for deliverance from fleshly failure; he is looking for strength from the very source from which he is seeking deliverance.
(3) The Christian life becomes a burden, and a continuous up-and-down experience. There is little hunger for the Word of God. Prayer all but fades away. Sins are not honestly confessed, hence there is scarcely any true fellowship with the Lord. Instead of having a testimony and being a pattern, such a defeated believer becomes a detriment to others. What love he has is self-centered--there is none for the needy. Instead of manifesting the love of the new man in Christ, there is the opposite expression from the old man in Adam--unkindness, envy, unseemly behavior, and other works of the flesh.
(4) As to service, where there is any at all is mainly by means of self-effort--whether it be it preaching, teaching, or personal witness. Flashy gimmicks and neat little methods are employed, but the flesh can only spawn more of its own kind. The problem is compounded.
From time to time there may be a bit of reviving in the life by means of dedication, but this usually results in deeper frustration and depression. There is no growth or fruitfulness for the believer in the legal realm. To such Paul says, "Ye are yet carnal; for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as [natural] men?" (I Cor. 3:3).
Results of Law--Positive:
Through all this legalistic and fleshly failure, the Father is working out His eternal purposes. He is using the principle of law to bring the believer to the end of Romans Seven: "Oh, wretched man I that I am!" Thus the Christian is prepared for the wonderful exchange of faith--that of turning from the old law-bound nature to his new life of grace in the Lord Jesus. By the Spirit he will be brought from the realm of the [old] law of sin and death into that of the [new] law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Rom. 8:2).
<DL><DT>By various maxims, forms, and rules, </DT>
<DT>That pass for wisdom in the schools, </DT>
<DT>I sought my passions to restrain; </DT>
<DT>But all my efforts proved in vain. </DT>
<DT>But since my Saviour I have known </DT>
<DT>My rules are all reduced to One, </DT>
<DT>To keep my Lord by faith in view, </DT>
<DT>This strength supplies and motive too. </DT>
</DL>​
-- John Newton
</TD><TD width=36></TD></TR><TR><TD width=36></TD><TD bgColor=#006600 width=550>OUT -- LAW
</TD><TD width=36></TD></TR><TR><TD width=36></TD><TD width=550>If a Christian is under the law as a "rule of life," he is laboring in a doleful, grey, alien land of self-righteousness--he struggles to produce. The believer who learns to walk in the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has the joy of the Lord for his strength--he rests to receive.
Instead of our Father demanding from us according to the law, by grace He ministers to us from the One who is our life in glory. "And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work" (2 Cor. 9:8).
THE LAW AND THE NEW NATURE -- Our new nature is that of the risen life of the Lord Jesus Christ. The purpose of the Law being to reveal sin and condemn the sinner, it has nothing to say [non applicable] to the new man in Christ Jesus. "For sin shall not have dominion over you; for ye are not under the law but under grace" (Rom. 6:14).
(1) As each of us was separated from the Adam-life by means of the Cross and the Tomb, we were delivered from the realm of law. We rose from the Tomb into newness of life--out of the grip of law into the freedom of His resurrection. "Now we are discharged from the Law and have terminated all intercourse with it, having died to what once restrained and held us captive. So now we serve not under [obedience to] the old code of written regulations, but [under obedience to the prompting] of the Spirit in newness [of life]" (Rom. 7:6, Amp.).
(2) Law has to do with works--the works of the flesh. The new creation has to do with life--the life of the Son. Abiding in Him, our nature will grow and manifest the fruit of the Spirit. "You have undergone death as to the Law through the [crucified] body of Christ, so that now you may belong to Another, to Him Who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God" (Rom. 7:4, Amp.).
THE CHRISTIAN AND THE NEW NATURE -- Our Lord Jesus Christ, seated at the Father's right hand in glory, is not under law of any kind. His life is subject neither to commands nor to the principle of law. It is holy by nature. We, having been born into Him, now share His life. "For to me to live is Christ" (Phil. 1:21).
(1) The wages of sin being death, the law by the execution of the death penalty exhausted its rights over the man in Adam. Having died unto the law in Christ, the law no longer has any claim on the believer. He is now free from its reign. "When the commandment came, sin lived again, and I died--was sentenced by the Law to death." "For I through the law died unto the law, that I might live unto God" (Rom. 7:9, Amp; Gal. 2:19, ASV).
(2) Being in Christ Jesus, the believer no longer has need for the law as a governing principle--he can now live by nature, effortlessly and naturally. "We are debtors, but not to the flesh--we are not obligated to our carnal nature--to live [a life ruled by the standards set up by the dictates] of the flesh" (Rom. 8:12, Amp.).
(3) When the believer sees his deliverance from the old, he can begin to walk in the freedom of the new. "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." "For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh" (11 Cor. 3:17, Gal. 5:13).
[Note: The law still has relevance and purpose for those living under it on the Earth. "But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully (properly). Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man but for the (civilly) lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murders of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for kidnapers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine..." 1 Tim. 1:8-10.]
WALKING IN LIBERTY -- Some of the positive results are the following:
(1) Even when there is failure, the abiding believer learns from it and gains thereby. He knows that his Father is working all things together for his good, to conform him to the image of His Son (Rom. 8:28, 29). His reliance is neither upon the law nor the flesh, but upon the Holy Spirit, "that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" (Rom. 8:4).
(2) Instead of struggle to keep from sinning, and self-effort to progress spiritually, he rests inChrist--the ground of growth. The Word of God is his daily sustenance; he feeds on it in reliance upon its Author, the Spirit of Truth.
(3) Prayer is his cherished fellowship with the Father; he depends upon the Spirit for this most vital aspect of his life. "The Spirit also helpeth our infirmity; for we know not what we should pray for as we ought; but the Spirit himself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And He that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because He maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God" (Rom. 8:26, 27).
(4) Having learned to hate the old life, he willingly judges himself. He confesses his sins fully and without fear because he loves and trusts his Advocate and Redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ.
(5) In his growth he is more and more free from the influence of indwelling sin and the old life, the law, and the surrounding world. He is at rest concerning himself, but burdened for others. His service is from the heart and in the Spirit--sharing of life. He does not have to resort tohuman methods and fleshly means to win others and help them grow in grace and in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus. He allows the Holy Spirit control and work through him by means of life--the life of the Lord Jesus.
(6) Underlying whatever service the Spirit may lead him into, his most important and effective ministry is simply to be--for to him to live is Christ. He becomes an "example [pattern] of the believers [and the lost], in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity" (I Tim. 4:12). His attitude is that of Paul, "Stand fast, therefore in the liberty with which Christ hath made us free and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage [law]" (Gal. 5:1).
<HR>​
My liberty from the old is infinite in the Lord Jesus--limited only to the glory of my Father and to the good of others.
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Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.(Galatians 3:24)

The sacrificial law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

Before we continue, we must clear one thing up. Are we justified by faith alone?

Let's see. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (Romans 3:31)

What law is established?

Certainly not the sacrificial law, we have seen above that it was added because of transgression until the Seed came (which was Christ).

The law established forever is the Lords commandments!

Now, let's back up in this chapter to the third verses and point out the two sets of laws.
 
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Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? (Galatians 3:3)


The spirit in this case is the word of God, but pay close attention to what Paul says at the end of the verse.

"Are ye now made perfect by the flesh?"

Can we be made perfect by the flesh?

What flesh is Paul talking about?
 
Let's go to the book of Hebrews and find out.

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect Hebrews 10:1


The flesh Paul spoke of was the animal sacrifices.

Notice what the verse says, "never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect."

That's pretty clear don't you think?

Let's go back to Galatians chapter 3 and take note how Paul uses the word "law" but does not say this is the sacrificial law or the Commandments
 
so why do pastors teach that the law is done away with?

Paul never taught that the commandments were done away with.

Paul taught that the animal sacrifice law is done away with.

God and Israel has many laws, which one is done away with?
 
Dear ozell.

I would like to thankyou ozell very much.

I never understood how a Gentile who
was never under the Mosaic Law could
assume that they were.

At last I see just how it is done.

That is truly incredible, a clear distinction
between sacrificial and legal law.

Accept one and reject the other.

The "Flesh" is animal sacrifice.

I am so deeply disturbed at this ozell
it will take me a while to reply.
 
so why do pastors teach that the law is done away with?

Paul never taught that the commandments were done away with.

Paul taught that the animal sacrifice law is done away with.

God and Israel has many laws, which one is done away with?

7 The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away.8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life?9 If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God!10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way.11 So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!
2 Cor 3:7-11 (NLT)
 
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