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  1. Coright4Christ

    Coright4Christ New Member

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    Ok so here is my little idea to think about. I know now that there are very few people in this world who have not be discovered or found by missionaries and travelers and explorers, but before technology give us that ability how were the people who had never seen a bible or never heard of Jesus judged when they die? It was a very interesting discussion we had at church the other day and i was interested in other peoples opinions and different scriptures than what we had in our bible study. Thanks for reading :)
     
  2. SpiritLedEd

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    I think Ro 1:18-32 gives the answer. ALL humans are born with the instinctive knowledge that there is a God. His existence is made obvious by the magnificence of His creation. And, all humans are born with a conscience, the mechanism through which we are aware of good and evil, right and wrong.

    Jesus is drawing ALL men to Himself (see Jn 12:32). This includes people who've never heard of Him. Scripture says that Jesus is "the Way, the Truth, and the Life" (see Jn 14:6), but I know of no place in the Bible that says people who die without ever hearing about Jesus don't get to heaven. Hebrews 11:6 NIV says. "...without faith (in the existance of God) it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him."

    Spirit Led Ed (SLE)
     
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    evstevemd New Member

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    Sure,
    there is another verse saying he have put eternity on their heart. I believe many will be judged for idolatry. They knew that there was a God but they didn't knew who he is. Instead of professing their ignorant of Him and cry to their creator (Like those wise greeks worshipping 'unknown God') they make Him look like birds et al worshipping creation than creator who is blessed forever amen!

    It is really tough subject, thanks for raising. I hope to hear from more. I will try to dig answers for these.
     
  4. Kallie

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    Will all those people who have never heard of Jesus Christ be sent to hell? First we must note that the Bible says God will judge all people righteously. It seems there will be a stricter judgment for those who have rejected the gospel of Jesus Christ than those who have never heard.Paul tells us that those who have never heard of the law are not imputed sin under the law. Paul also tells us that those who follow the law (e.g., practicing Jews) will be judged by the law. The people who have never heard of the law are judged by the law of God which He has placed into their hearts:
    For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness, and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus. Romans 2 :14 -16

    I know there are many Christians who say that all those who die without faith in Christ will be relegated to spend eternity in Hell - even if they have never heard the gospel. I think scripture suggests otherwise - that we are judged on the basis of what we know and how we act upon it. This is not any sort of ecumenical theology or "all ways lead to God." Those who have heard the gospel of Jesus Christ and have refused to believe have rejected Him, and, as such, will fall under the condemnation of God, because they have rejected His provision for our disobedience.Therefore, atheists are still without excuse in rejecting God. Those who perpetrate evil, even without the knowledge of the gospel, will likewise be condemned, since they have violated their God-given conscience. In the same way, those who play the "religion game" of going to church on Sunday, but living apart from a relationship with God, will be condemned.
     
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    My son lived 32+ years without Christ. That is mostly due to my alcoholic behavior when I was drinking and how he was treated by his peers in Christian schools as he grew up. Yet, when I came to Christ and He stopped my drinking, after a while he warmed up to me and we developed a pretty close father-son relationship. Less than an hour before he died, I had the high honor and privilege of leading him to Christ and I know beyond a doubt that he's with the Lord.

    God will indeed judge all people righteously, but, as Scripture says, "This (believers') righteousness comes from God, through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe" (Ro 3:21 NIV). It makes no difference how long we've been following Christ; my 27 years counts the same as my son's thirty or so minutes. So,I cannot point the finger at anyone and say that he or she is going to hell. That's always God's call, never mine, because the crucial question is: what is the state of that person's heart in the final seconds of his/her earthly existence? And only God knows that answer.

    SLE
     
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    Thanks Kallie i feel like i fall in the same group as you, but the one thing that always bothered me when i came to that conclusion was John 14:6

    Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

    but did Jesus mean no man knowing of me or no man at all. my knowledge of the bible is growing but still pretty shaky at times. just wanting to have a better understanding of Gods Word. It seems the more i read the less i know lol
     
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    Jesus spoke many times in parables and there were times when he did not. He spoke in direct, concise statements as not to mislead. Often, he would preface a direct statement with the words: "I tell you the truth".

    His statement that no man comes to the Father but by me, is pretty direct,it means no man! Other than by faith for most of us, I would just stick with "no man", exactly how each man that has existed or will exist, will do this, is not for us to determine.

    The most important thing now is have you come unto him? I would do that and spend the bulk of my time trying to allow Him to live His life through you.
     
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    Romans 10:13-15 NIV " everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

    So if nobody preaches they won't hear, if they don't hear they won't believe, if they don't believe they won't call and if they don't call they don't get saved! So as the salt of the earth it is the ones that know the good news to spread it throughout the land!!

     
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    Scripture is clear about a couple of key things.
    #1 all have denied God, all have sinned, there is not one good.
    #2 salvation comes through saving faith in Jesus Christ.


    So to answer your question..all will be judged and everyone outside of a relationship with Jesus will be found to be guilty, even if the gospel has never reached them.
     
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    Exactly. This is why Jesus commanded us to go.
     
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    What about Jer 29:13 - "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." and Heb 11:6 - "Whoever would find God must first believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him diligently."? There are lots of people who've diligently responded to God's tugging on their hearts by living their lives guided by their God given consciences, yet died without hearing the name "Jesus". Are you saying that these people are doomed to spend eternity in Hell? That's not the just and loving God I know.

    SLE
     
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    Well I am not for sure which loving God you are referring to, but the God I was referring to is the God of the Bible who gave His Son so that all could be saved. However the only way to salvation is through His Son, if there were another way then Christ would not have had to die in the first place. Anyone outside of a saving faith in Jesus Christ is as you put it doomed to spend eternity in Hell. If you want to deny this God, or claim He does not love. I would suggest you read through St. John and Romans prayerfully first, make sure you know who, what, and why you are denying.
     
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    There are surely plenty of "good" people whom never knew new God. But there good conscience is not enough to save them. As watchman said the only way to salvation is by saving faith through Jesus Christ. Some people are fortunate enough to grow in christian communtites, households, etc. others unfortunatley will never be presented the gospel and in communities and nations that are not backed by Jesus Christ it can be very difficult for them to find him because they have been lead astray and do not know where to look.
     
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    Those found in Christ are under the Covenant of His grace.
    Those found outside of Christ are judged under the Law.
     
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    I wasn't speaking of good people, I was speaking of good people who were sincerely seeking spiritual truth; two separate groups. What about the verses I cited - Jer 29:13 and Heb 11:6 - how do they fit into your theology?

    SLE
     
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    Brothers and sisters,
    this subject is tough and we should approach it prayerfully and with the mind of God.
    It is rewarding if we study and discuss it diligently. It seems there is something we are missing here. Abraham, Isaac and Israel were dead long before Jesus dies. I don't expect to find Abraham in hell then lake of fire. I believe I will join him in heaven. So was Joseph, and Moses and Joshua.

    There is second group that didn't knew God of Israel but knew that by looking ata creation and some stuffs there is a Creator God, and since they knew Him not "by name and how He looks like" they made altar to UNKNOWN GOD. Would these people God to hell, and if yes why? They knew God and Glorified Him as God. They didn't tried to make him look like anything less than God. And since they didn't knew Him they honestly wrote "UNKNOWN"(Romans 1). It boggles my mind that such honest and God fearing people will go to hell.

    Third Group is kids that dies without Christ. All have sinned of course including kids. So will they go to hell too?

    I will be on my bible though to see what God says :)
     
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