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  1. jari

    jari New Member

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    Does any oen know what there verses mean? Foot, Eye, Hand?

    Mar 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

    Mar 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

    Mar 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

    Mar 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

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    The reference to hand, foot, and eye is representing anything that leads us into sin. Jesus used the hyperbole of removing body parts as the extreme method of avoiding sin.
    It would be better to have no feet than to walk into sin, no hands than to murder, no eyes than to covet.

    Avoiding sin at all cost is the message.
     
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    Self-judgment ?
     
  4. jari

    jari New Member

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    Well I kinda got the same idea my self what agua and james are saying but I guess theres no more detailed answer to these verses?
     
  5. agua

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    The same example is given in Matthew.


    Mat 18:7-9 Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes! (8) "If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. (9) And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.


    We should simply avoiding doing the things that God does not approve of.

    Pro 6:12-23 A worthless person, a wicked man, Walks with a perverse mouth; (13) He winks with his eyes, He shuffles his feet, He points with his fingers; (14) Perversity is in his heart, He devises evil continually, He sows discord. (15) Therefore his calamity shall come suddenly; Suddenly he shall be broken without remedy. (16) These six things the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him: (17) A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood, (18) A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil, (19) A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.
     
  6. jari

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    Hmm interesting. but it does seem talk about some offence on your self.....
     
  7. agua

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    It means offenses will cause suffering jari.

    Jesus especially points out the man who causes others to sin.

    ".... woe to that man by whom the offense comes!"

    Offenses would be troubles brought about by, or cause, sinful activity.
     
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    Hmm so you think its just hyperpole? And you wont end up in hell for offences?
     
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    The lopping of of limbs and the gouging out eyes is hyperbole.

    The people who commit the offenses, and cause others to sin, are surely not believers and will die in hell.
     
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    Perhaps its not hyperbole but what unbeliever would have to do in order to save him self... if we had not grace from God.
     
  11. AudreyNicole

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    Hello! Some of the greatest verses in the Bible, aye? lol

    I do believe that these commands (suggestions) are a bit exaggerated so that we humans can grasp the severity of such offenses. Jesus, as you know, was quite the parable speaker and used many metaphors/symbols to help us humans understand the things He was teaching. With that said, here is the meaning I gather from these verses.

    Mark 9:42
    The little ones referred to here are people that are young in Christ: new-believers, recent born-agains, or an old-faithful struggling in his faith...anyone young in Christ is a "little one".
    To "offend" is also translated to sin, to tempt, to stumble, to lose faith, etc. So meaning anything that would cause displeasure, anger, resentment, wounded feelings, lose of faith, or sinful actions in the little ones.
    And then He says that if you do this, you should go drown yourself. Why? Because you have caused one of His sheep to stray.... that is the work of the devil.

    The next verses are all pretty much just further explanations of this first one. If you cause a child of God to sin, including yourself, its bad... so bad you should get rid of whatever it was that caused you to sin. Children of God, especially little ones, are fragile and easily breakable so we must take extra care and precaution not to offend them, teaching them, helping them, setting good examples, and not rebuking them, but helping them always in love.

    Here's a great explanation I found:
    "Just as a doctor might remove a limb or some part of the body in order to preserve the life of the whole body, so we must be ready to part with anything that causes us to sin and which leads to spiritual death. Jesus warns his disciples of the terrible responsibility that they must set no stumbling block in the way of another, that is, not give offense or bad example that might lead another to sin. The Greek word for temptation (scandalon) is exactly the same as the English word scandal. The original meaning of scandal is a trap or a stumbling block which causes one to trip and fall. If we teach another to sin, he in turn may teach still another, until a train of sin is set in motion with no foreseeable end. The young in faith are especially vulnerable to the bad example of those who should be passing on the faith. Do you set a good example for others to follow, especially the young?"

    I've witnessed many a time bad examples set by the church and those older in the faith that have caused younger ones to stumble, and it is unfortunate because our number one job is to edify the church. So, if we are causing others to sin, or something is causing us to sin, it is better to cut it off and get rid of it than to continue to be harmed by it. If it be your hand, chop it off; a person, don't associate with them; the television, get rid of it; the computer, throw it out.... keep away from ungodly things, stay close to Godly things.

    These verses seem pretty harsh, but think about it this way: would you rather be in hell a whole person, or in heaven missing a few body parts (HINT: there are no physical bodies in heaven)? Haha, the choice is pretty easy!

    Hope this helps! God bless!

    In Christ,
     
  12. jari

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    Ty AudreyNicole , this is something i have heard and thought about.. But the hell part really makes me wonder.. why would there be such hyperpole for that reason only, only to tell us how bad sin is?
     
  13. AudreyNicole

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    As humans, Hell is incomprehensible to us, just as heaven is. There is no adequate way to describe the suffering of Hell, just like there is no adequate way to describe the glory of Heaven. I think the hyperbole was just for that reason, to try and help us understand just how bad sin is. And in another light, I am sure that in hell this wouldn't be a hyperbole... in fact I'm sure hell is a lot worse... so in that sense, this depiction of pain is spot on.

    But yes, I do think this was an exaggeration in an attempt to get us to realize just how bad sin is. The world we live in today is so corrupt and sinful, and unfortunately the church is quickly falling in to the sin as norms and standards are plummeting. Jesus knew that the world would only continue to fall and thus used extreme words to keep us alert and aware of who we are to be.

    The Bible is hard core and it will only continue to get more intense in our perception as time moves forward. In today's world I think a lot of Bible teaching is watered down and dressed in frills because the verses like this are viewed as "too disturbing" or "unrealistic", when in fact, they are the core principles of what it means to follow Christ. Sin is bad. Too much of our faith is becoming compromised to allow for worldy standards, but at the end of the day, sin is bad... bad enough that, yes, if so, we must gauge out our eyes.

    If Jesus had instead said:
    "And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that he takes a time out for 30 seconds.

    And if thy hand offend thee, use the other: it is better for thee to enter into life left handed, than right handed.

    And if thy foot offend thee, don't walk for a day.

    And if thine eye offend thee, stop wearing glasses: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God blurry eyed, than having 20/20 vision and be cast into hell fire"

    ...Just doesn't have the same effect. In this case sin would easily become fixable... "its only a 30 second timeout". But you can't regrow a hand or foot when you cut it off... that is how un-fixable and permanent sin is. He needed to make a mark with His words because otherwise, it wouldn't really have any effect on us.
     
  14. agua

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    Litotes

    This is hilarious !

    "And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that he takes a time out for 30 seconds."


    Well explained Audrey. Jesus never understated or played things down.