Jerusalem As The Great City Babylon Harlot

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  1. NoHype

    NoHype New Member

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    The end time Babylon Harlot is a "great city", not the EU, not Rome, not New York or America, etc. The phrase "great city" is mentioned 11 times in the Book of Revelation, and in final it is about the Holy Jerusalem descending down out of Heaven from God.

    Here is the first "great city" pointer in Revelation:

    Rev 11:8
    8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
    (KJV)

    That's about God's two witnesses being killed with the dead bodies being left laying in the street. Where was our Lord Jesus of Nazareth crucified? At Jerusalem. In Isaiah 1 and Jeremiah 23 God called the leaders of Jerusalem that had led His people astray as rulers of Sodom and Gomorrah. So this Rev.11:8 verse is the first huge clue that Jerusalem is the subject of the final Babylon Harlot of Revelation.

    The following verse reveals the Babylon Harlot is about a "great city":

    Rev 17:17-18
    17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil His will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
    18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
    (KJV)


    In final though, the Babylon Harlot Jerusalem for the end is to be replaced with The Holy Jerusalem from above:

    Rev 21:9-10
    9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
    10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
    (KJV)

    So how can this be about Jerusalem some might be wondering?

    It's because just as Judah fell away in old times that caused God to bring the king of Babylon upon them and take Jerusalem, and then carry them captive to Babylon for 70 years, likewise Judah's falling away to reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ with the object to build a third temple in Jerusalem and start up the Old Testament sacrificial worship again is going to cause its final destruction.

    Jerusalem is where our Lord Jesus warned about the "abomination of desolation" idol of the Book of Daniel being setup there, and for those of His there to flee Jerusalem when they see that event unfold. The Romans in 70 A.D. never fulfilled the placing of that abomination idol in the holy place because the temple burned down before they could get possession of it (per Jewish historian Josephus).
     
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    The great Harlot that Revelation 17 talks about is not Jerusalem but the Roman Catholic Church.

    The Bible tells us that the true Church is the Bride of Christ.

    2 Corinthians 11:2
    “ For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ.”
    Reveation 19:7-9
    Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, these are the true sayings of God.
    And a False Church in other words, a Harlot. A “church” that profanes and violates the Word of God.
    Revelation 17:3-6
    “….and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus…”

    Who else sits on the world government? Who else profaned that Word of God? Who else is teaches false doctrine and pagan beliefs? Who else enjoys vast riches from corruption and false beliefs? - The Roman Catholic Church.

    Sorry for my grammar, English is not my first language. God Bless us all.
     
  3. NoHype

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    I disagree.

    The end time Babylon Harlot of Revelation is pointing directly to false worship in Jerusalem for the very end of this world (Rev.11:8; 2 Thess.2:3-4; Rev.13:11-18; Matt.24:23-26; Daniel 9:27).

    Could that false worship at Jerusalem when the coming Antichrist gets here involve quasi Christian sects that fall away from the Truth? Yes.

    The "one world government" today is still being setup. It is not yet fully established. The orthodox Jews in Jerusalem have the materials ready to build another temple, have cornerstones already cut, have the temple articles about ready, and have been drafting Levites for the priesthood and temple service. It's just a matter of time.

    Also, Jerusalem as a Bride is clearly shown in that Revelation 21 Scripture. God did say He married Jerusalem in the Old Testament prophets ya know.
     
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    Luke 17:20-21, "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered and said unto them, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
     
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  5. NoHype

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    Truly God's Kingdom will not come with the ocular fleshy vision. It's because God's Heavenly Abode is in and of a different dimension than this earth's. But when Christ Jesus returns as written, then the Heavenly will be revealed to all nations, the veil removed, and death swallowed up in victory for those in Christ Jesus (Isaiah 25; 1 Cor.15).
     
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    How could Jerusalem be comparable to Babylon at the end of this world, some might be thinking?

    It is mainly because that's where God said He chose to dwell forever, and Satan covets God's place because that's what his sin against God was about when he first rebelled. Per the OT prophet Ezekiel, God originally created Satan as an anointed cherub that covereth. That means it was once Satan's job to guard God's Throne. That was his job before he rebelled. Satan was originally a very high servant to God.

    If you can receive it, the end of this world will not be the first time that Satan will have tried to establish his kingdom on earth with ten horns and seven heads (per the one of Rev.13:1). Back in Rev.12:3-4 an older beast kingdom is mentioned, and its number of crowns is different than the one of Rev.13:1. Also, that one of Rev.12:3-4 is being given in context with the time when Satan originally rebelled against God and drew a third of the angels into rebellion along with him. It's very important also to be mindful that Satan did that rebellion prior to Adam and Eve in God's Garden.

    Did Satan in that time of old when he first rebelled with that Rev.12:3-4 ten horn, seven head, seven crown beast kingdom, try to establish its seat in the area where Jerusalem is today? In my opinion I think so. Since his sin was about coveting God's Throne in wanting to be God, and God chose Jerusalem, I believe that's where God's Eden was before He removed off this earth after Adam and Eve's sin (per end of Gen.3).

    When we get to later history in Genesis about the area of Jerusalem, it was not called that. It was in control by the pagan Jebusites who called the city Jebus (means 'threshing place"). In Ezekiel 16 God gives a little history of Jerusalem when it was in possession of the pagan Jebusite idolaters, and how He cleansed the city and married it.

    When God told Abram (later Abraham) to get out of the land of Ur and go to Canaan, we find this tidbit pointing to Canaanite control of Jerusalem even when God then said He was giving those lands to Abraham's seed after him...

    Gen 12:6-7
    6 And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.
    7 And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, Who appeared unto him.
    (KJV)

    The Books of Genesis and Revelation have many direct parallels, and this is just one of them. Beginning in Genesis Satan's followers had possession of Jerusalem and had to be removed from it. In Revelation at the end they gain possession and control of Jerusalem again and will have to be driven out once again, this next time by our Lord Jesus Himself at His second coming.
     
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    Revelation 11:1-2
    [h=2]Revelation 11[/h] 1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
    2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

    The antichrist will be given power by the 10 kings and then they destroy harlot Babylon. Since the antichrist is going into the temple and going to control Jerusalem for the last 42 months of the tribulation, Jerusalem can't be Harlot Babylon.
     
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    That last paragraph doesn't make sense.

    Since the Babylon Harlot of Rev.17 we are shown is a "great city", and Antichrist will rule over it the last 42 months, it can't mean Jerusalem??? How does that idea prove it's not Jerusalem, for it doesn't, not even a little bit.

    Even in that Rev.11:1-2 verses with the Gentiles treading the outer courts of the temple complex in Jerusalem for the 42 months should... have given you a huge clue that it's about the city of Jerusalem and not anywhere else!
     
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    In prophecy a woman is a church. bride of christ....christian church. the woman in revelation 12.... isreal. mysterybabylon the mother of harlots AND ALL ABOMINATIONS is the church of the enemy. this "church" is all over the world and has been for a long time. consider what JFK said in a speech, it is against these secret societies that we are against, and the very mention of them is.... now who assasinated JFK.... still a mystery however today, well every since Regan every single president has spoken of a new world order. if you look up the nwo's charters online you see some documents date back to the 1960's to disarm america, and it speaks of a war to end all wars and a world with no more wars... peace peace but a flase peace. mysterybabylon is all over the world. thats why this woman mystery babylon mother of harlots and all abominations rides on the back of the beast which is the nations/world powers/kings or world leaders/whatever interpretation of the word you want to use.
    as to the actual place that in revelations talks about babylon in one hour being destroyed and as her smoke rose up merchants stood afar off wailing.... We can only speculate. My speculation says its the good ole USA. all our oil goes overseas, well most of it. so "merchants wouldn't be able to buy our products anymore" you can pick two countries and add their annual homicide rate and then compare to Americas annual homicide rate and USA has the higher rate. last I checked on average USA aborts 4000 babies a day, every day. And this isnt even touching on what our government does/military or just basic immorality and blatant rejection of God. America is the most wicked nation in the world. even if the USA isnt Babylon you can sure see reason to expect for judgment if there isnt serious repentance soon.
     
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    The ten kings are going to destroy harlot Babylon in the middle of the tribulation.Since 666 is going to go into the temple and is going to control Jerusalem for 42 months it can't be destroyed.
     
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    Not always brother. When the house of Judah at Jerusalem were rebellious and haughty in OT times God at times referred to them as women, and other times as daughters. The very first symbolic 'woman' reference is actually given in Genesis 3 about the seed of the woman, pointing to the seed that Christ would be born from, which we know was Israel.


    I'm well aware of the secret societies that have existed through history, especially Adam Wieshaupt's Illuminati order in 18th century Bavaria that was discovered and banned by the European monarchs and Christian Church. But those orders are not a church. They don't treat religion as being anything but a tool to use, because they are occultists.

    The woman reference in Rev.12 is about the seed of Israel first, and then it's about the whole Church of God under Christ Jesus. That's who keep God's commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ, so it's very simple.

    It will be Jerusalem, because that is where the seat of Christ's enemies will be in the last days, and where the coming Antichrist is to come sitting in a temple proclaiming himself as God. The seven heads or mountains represent regions of the earth, as this event for the last days is going to engulf all nations and peoples. The atrocities going on now are much heavier in foreign lands outside the Christian west, where Christians are being slaughtered for their Faith. We don't see that happenning in the west, yet.
     
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    I think you need to read it again Eric, because of this...

    Rev 17:16-18
    16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the *****, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
    17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
    18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
    (KJV)

    Since that "great city" is that "woman" of Rev.17:18, i.e., the Babylon Harlot, the Babylon Harlot title is a symbol for the city. It will not be destroyed by Christ's enemies who will rule over it in that time, for that will be their primary home base.

    By what they will do... in Jerusalem spiritually, that is how they will hate the ***** and make her desolate, naked, and burn her with fire. The desolate and naked idea is a metaphor for shame. The main act they will do is setup a false king there who will proclaim himself as God, right there in a possession that belongs to The True God and His Son Jesus Christ.
     
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    Rome the city on 7 mountains will be the center of power for the ecumenical Christian church after the rapture. The 10 kings are going to nuke it and steal all its property. The captains of the ships in the sea will see the great mushroom cloud and stay away for fear. Then the antichrist will take the armies of the world to Jerusalem see Zechariah 14:1-4
     
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    Rome has nothing to do with this. It's about Jerusalem and the false one appearing there to try and establish himself in place of God. I have already shown how that was the early Church father's understanding of the matter also (Irenaeus, Hippolytus, etc.).
     
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    that is another one of the things I think will be how it plays out. especially the last part you wrote, "yet"

    man, I dont get the quote thing obviously. sorry but just look thru to see what you wrote and see what I wrote. this is the second time my text ended up in the blue quote text area. I did it right once before.
     
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    I was merely pointing out ways God's Word uses the 'woman' symbol for Israel, either as a rebellious people, or as a chosen nation (like in Rev.12:1), and not simply just a Church.

    Yes, I'm aware of all that; believe me, I'm aware of all that, and more about them. One of their higher degrees in those 'mystery schools' of mystical initiation is the false doctrine that our Lord Jesus did not really die on the cross, but that His disciples removed His body down from the cross, and that He lived to old age. That actually is one of their old pagan Gnostic doctrines of the 1st and 2nd centuries. But there is a difference between their ignorant blinded members in the Lesser Mysteries compared with the higher ups in the Greater Mysteries. And truly, the origin of that mess is from ancient Sumer-Babylon, the very first area on earth where pagan idol worship began.


    About using quotes - simply put this at the start of a paragraph minus the dashes and spaces --[ quote ]-- and then end it with --[/ quote ]-- . It's html programming language; our browsers will pick it up and display whatever's inside those as a quote.
     
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    Nohype,

    This is when the Jews flee Jerusalem with the Lord's help at the middle of the tribulation.

    Zechariah 14:1-5
    1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
    2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
    3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
    4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
    5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
     
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    No, that's actually the Day of The LORD timing there in Zech.14. The Day of The LORD events only occur on the very last day of this present world. That day is when the battle of Armageddon happens with Christ's coming on the 7th Vial per Rev.16 and 19.

    That is the timing which will end... the great tribulation. It's those events that end it. That is the time of Christ gathering His Church, both from heaven and from the earth. Other OT prophets cover those events too, especially Isaiah.

    That Day of The LORD per Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.5 is the day of "sudden destruction" upon those will be saying, "Peace and safety" during the tribulation. That's what Paul linked the day of our Lord Jesus' coming "as a thief" with there.

    In 2 Pet.3:10, Peter linked the day of God's consuming fire burning the elements with the time of Christ coming as a thief with that Day of The LORD. So that's more evidence the Day of The LORD will be at the end of the great tribulation, and not at the mid point.
     
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    Here are the Mid point tribulation events in Jerusalem for when Christ told those of His servants in Jerusalem to get out of Judea and flee to the mountains...

    Mark 13:14-21
    14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
    15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
    16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
    17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
    19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
    20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.
    21 And then if any man shall say to you, "Lo, here is Christ"; or, "lo, he is there"; believe him not:
    (KJV)
     
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    I dig it. I was pointing out specifically to prophecy tho.


    Yea them schools, I forgot about that. I didnt know about they teach Jesus was removed from the cross. I did know that they teach you become "enlightened" to being your own god with a little "g" and thats found in new age and scientology and even back to the garden of eden... your eyes will be opened.



    Lets see if it works now... and thanks.:shade:
     
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