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    What Does the Bible Say About...
    Water Baptism?

    Water baptism is an act of obedience that follows conversion to portray symbolically the washing away of our sins. Water baptism calls for immersion instead of sprinkling. Many groups that have only sprinkled in times past are now seeing that the Scriptural method is total immersion in water. In fact, the Greek word "baptism" means to immerse, submerse and emerge.

    The baptism itself does not bring salvation; salvation inspires the water baptism. It should be the first thing we do after we are "born again." Those who have received Jesus in their hearts should desire to follow Him in this ordinance. Jesus Himself came to John the Baptist to receive His water baptism because He was to take the sins of the world at His death. These sins would be washed away by God for those who put their trust in Him. "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water" (John 1:29-31).

    Anyone who receives water baptism must realize what it means to receive it; therefore, infant baptism is not Scriptural. One must repent and be saved to be baptized. Water baptism portrays the burial of the old man and his works of death and the raising out of the water into the new life in Christ. An infant cannot repent. However, parents can dedicate their babies to the Lord, as there are many accounts of this throughout the Bible. Hannah prayed a beautiful prayer when she dedicated her son Samuel to the Lord, "For this child I prayed; and the Lord hath given me my petition which I asked of him: Therefore also I have lent him to the Lord; as long as he liveth he shall be lent to the Lord" (I Samuel 1:27-28). John's baptism of repentance was to prepare the way for the baptism of the Holy Ghost by Jesus.

    "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire" (Matthew 3:11).

    "And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God" (John 1:32-34).

    Once we are "born again" the Lord instructs us to be baptized in water as an act of obedience to typify what has happened to us spiritually.

    Romans 6:1-18:

    1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
    2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
    3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
    4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
    5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
    6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
    7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
    8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
    9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
    10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
    11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
    13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
    14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
    16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
    17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
    18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

    Verse 4 says if we are baptized into Christ, we are also baptized into His death; all of our sins are nailed to the cross. This revelation will free us from all guilt when we realize every sin we have ever committed has been washed away. Going under the water is a type of being buried with Christ in death. Coming out of the water is a type of being raised alive with Christ.

    Verses 14-15 says we are no longer under the law (the law of sin and death), but we are not to yield to sin or we will come back under that law. We need to nail the sin principle in our lives to the cross. (Jesus was crucified, so now sin has no more dominion over us.) We must crucify the sin in our lives which means to die to self through God's resurrection power. If we yield to the Spirit of God, then sin will no longer have control over us.

    Verse 16-18 tells us that when we yield to the devil and sin, at that moment we become Satan's servant. The "law of sin and death" begins at that time to work against us. That law produces fear, guilt, doubt, unbelief, sickness, etc., because we have become a servant of Satan. The moment we truly repent, we are back to being the servant of God and sin has no more dominion over us. When we walk in God's peace, we will even be able to walk the martyr's life filled with the resurrection power of Christ. We need to be in the place where we will would lay our life down before we would deny Christ or hurt God by sinning against Him. We should look different from those in the world! When we yield completely to Christ, we will be truly free. Daily, we must crucify self and let Christ live through us.

    In water baptism, we baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus. This has been a controversial subject in the Body of Christ as some people baptize in "Jesus' name only." However scripture tells us how to baptize in Matthew 28:18-20:

    "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
    Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

    This commission is given to disciples. Disciples can baptize those that are needing to be baptized. However, not all Christians qualify as disciples unless they are being obedient to the Lord's commandments. One cannot teach others until they are first taught themselves. The Bible teaches that disciples are to baptize others when they come to Christ.

    In the above scripture, we see that we are to baptize in the name of each member of the Trinity, BUT we do it in the "authority and the name of Jesus Christ." Some people discount a water baptism if it was not done in "Jesus' name only." It is legalistic to say one has been baptized wrongly if they have been baptized in name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost since all is done in the authority of Jesus.

    Acts 8:26-39 is a New Testament example of water baptism:

    26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
    27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
    28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
    29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
    30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
    31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
    32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
    33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
    34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
    35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
    36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
    37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
    38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
    39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

    Here Phillip preached Jesus and water baptism. The eunuch received Jesus and was baptized in obedience to God's Word after he was "born again." From these verses we can see the importance of water baptism. Baptism in water is in obedience to God's Word, and by it we identify ourselves with Christ's death, burial, and resurrection.

    "For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many" (1 Corinthians 12: 2-14).

    The baptism into the Body is actually a baptism in the Blood of Christ at the time we are born again. We become a member of the body of Christ. It does not matter what denomination we are a member of, but rather what family we are "born" into. We become sons and daughters of God and are now members of the body of Christ when we repent and accept Him as our Savior. Our water baptism is the portrayal of that happening and a witness to the world that we are saved. If you have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior and have not been water baptized you need to be baptized today to seal your covenant with God.
     
  2. The Waymarker

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    Which saves, Jesus or water?
     
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    Jesus. But which is best also? Obedience or disobedience to GOD's Word?

    "Baptism in water is in obedience to God's Word, and by it we identify ourselves with Christ's death, burial, and resurrection"
     
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    Will I be going to hell because I haven't been baptised?
     
  5. Chad

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    Waymaker I know you are being very sarcastic so I suggest you stop your nonsense right now. I have read your other posts and I sense easily your sarcasm. You want to take that route you can take it outside Talk Jesus all you want but not on my site.

    I'm watching you from hereon.

    Sarcasm will destroy you faster than lack of water baptism. You certainly can quote Scripture left and right without a problem but here your trying to corner me and insult me with your naive sarcasm. That's a sign of someone lacking serious humility.
     
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    Christ Himself followed in Obedeiance to God's word and was Baptised. Waymarker, no problem about chosing to walk in disobedience but you sure you really want to??
    1Sam. "But Samuel replied, "What is more pleaeing to the LORD: your burnt offerings and sacrifces or your obedience to his voice? Obedience is far better than sacrifice. Listening to him is much better than offering the fat of rams."
    Question to think about:
    If you chose to be disobedient than are you really His child? and the answer to that would be the answer to your second question.
     
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    Sarcasm to the maximum extent :) Congratulations. Just another troublemaker. For everyone else who reads, I have experience being one who has run Talk Jesus for nearly 3 yrs now. This person is another wolf in sheeps clothing.

    100% effortless in showing a nicer profile to express truth and genuine love for GOD. You can't even acheive this in a profile can you waymaker?
     
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    Chad,
    Thanks for the piece on baptism. One thing...I'm not being sarcastic...:),Ok? But seriously, isn't it also legalistic to fuss over how much water is used, or exactly when baptism is done, ie, immediately after being born-again, or later and so on? In my case and my children's, the process of salvation has been so gradual that I really cannot even put a date to it. Our kids accepted Jesus as their Lord and friend almost as soon as we started reading the Children's Bible to them, as early as two and three years! Slowly they understood about sin, and the Cross. and showed genuine repentance and a desire to obey Him in all things. However, they were baptised only last year, when they were 13 and 11, since we wanted to be sure they understood what they were doing.

    After all, the Great commission in Matt 28:18 is primarily about "going into all the world and making disciples"...and the command to "baptise...in the name of the father, son..." was to follow. Surely how the disciples, ie the church, practised it is not such a big deal, as long as they are making disciples, and there is some public profession of being a disciple? I know "baptismos" means immerse, but isn't it legalistic to think there is any merit in doing it exactly the same way? After all, the early church communion was "sharing" , sharing a love feast, a meal. Now we just have a sip of grape juice or wine, and a pinch of bread (in India some share one chappati for the communion!) or a wafer...does it matter? We are remembering the Lord's death, both ways.

    This is just to share my particular experience with this issue.
     
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    Note to all: Please read the "sticky" thread in the Bible Answers forum first.

    Anne, thank you for your reply. I do not condemn anyone for not getting baptised. However, GOD commanded us to do it in the NT and it is called obedience to GOD. It really is very very simple. Obedience. Nothing less, nothing more.
     
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    I was sprinkled as a baby. Sprinkled again when I was 12(Methodist). When I gave my heart to Jesus when I was 16, It was several months before I knew about the command to be baptised. So when I learned of it, I got dunked! (I gave my heart and life to Jesus in a Southern Baptist Church). Sprinkling nor submersion was not what saved me. It was the love of God!

    Jesus gave his life to redeem me. It was his love and his sacrifice to have a relationship with me. Because he loves me.(the awesome love of God for us still amazes me)

    Once we learn of the command we have a choice to make. Be obiedient or not. Jesus was obiedient all the way to the cruel death he suffered on the cross. Is it such a big deal about getting wet?

    Jesus was not ashamed to become the ultimate sacrifice for our sin. He did in on purpose because he wanted to give us his righteousness so we can have relationship with God.

    It is a public profession of faith...a simple act of obiedience...Choose wisely.
     
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    "It is a public profession of faith...a simple act of obiedience...Choose wisely."

    amen!
     
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    Excellent and amen :)

    I was baptised when I was a baby the traditional catholic way. To me that is improper and unbiblical. A baby does not know whats happening for him/her to profess their own faith of Christ.

    Since I've been saved nearly four years ago, I have not been baptised in water yet due to much reasons that I am dealing with personally but I wish to do it when I am ready both spiritually and emotionally. I refuse to forget GOD's commands but remain obedient to His Word.
     
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    from what i read in the bible there is a plan to salvation. believe, repent, confess before others and baptism by immersion to receive the gift of The Holy Spirit and a good conscience toward God. i don't know what would happen if a person left one of the steps out.
     
  14. Philologia

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    I was surprised you guys skipped over this verse

    For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 3:18-21)

    The thing about Baptism isnt the choice. God's grace acts ex opere operato, which means 'in and of itself.' The grace recieved in Baptism isnt as a result of acceptance, but rather it acts because its God's grace and doesnt need us. For Christ died for us even while we were still sinners. Its not so much a personal choice, but more of a change of state, a regeneration of body and soul and washing away of original sin. So I would venture to say that water baptism is far more important than a public profession of faith and a simple act of obedience. Its an infusion of grace that eradicates the old man and gives way to the new man, like in the flood where God destroyed all that was evil on the earth and made way for that which was good.
     
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    i don't know how we can get into heaven with out the Holy Spirit or a good conscience toward God. which baptism gives us.
     
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    Aside from your attitude, I don't realy have an idea as to what your eternal destination will be.
    But then what I or anybody else thinks is pretty much irrelivent isn't it?
    After all that is an issue between you and God isn't it?
    Scripture says to repent and be baptized. Scripture gives and example in Acts as to how that would look when performed.
    I don't believe the act is as important as the reason and motivation one has for doing it.
    I was compeled by my belief to be baptized. The desire to obey what I saw as part of the first commandment to a new believer.
    It never occured to me that a follower of Christ would have any questions about baptism? I never have.
    To say that baptism must be done in a certian manner is to say that it in some way is essential to salvation.
    I believe there is way too much emphasis placed on baptism in the church today.Too much worry and controvercy concerning it and how it is to be performed. I understand why ,but that doesn't change the fact that baptism has over shaddowed the purpose for doing it in the church today.
    As I see it the only way to be properly baptized is sincerly and truthfuly commiting oneself to Christ. If one isn't doing that then it makes no differance as to how it is performed or if in fact it is performed.
    The realy eternily important baptism is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. And that is a gift from God.
    Waymaker, your question is a good one but you ask it to the wrong ones.
    I suspect that is probibly because you don't want to hear from the one who will do more about it than argue.
     
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    Baptism is essential to salvation. Jesus says in no uncertain terms that you MUST be born again of water and spirit or you dont get to the final destination.

    But thats saying that God's grace is dependent on us. He doesnt need our permission to act. There is two sides to grace. Ex opere operato which is God's grace acts in and of itself or by the very act, and ex opere operatis which is our ability to utilize the grace given. However, it must always act ex opere operato for us to be able to use it ex opere operatis.

    Well, grace in general is a gift of God. But Jesus again does say "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." (John 3:5)

    I would say that both are eternally important, and thats not just my opinion, but seems to be Jesus' opinion as well. Its more than a sign or simple act of obedience. Its a change of state from the old man to the new. A regeneration.
     
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    acts 2; 38." and peter said to them , repent and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS and you shall receive the gift of The Holy Spirit." how do you get to heaven if your sins have not been forgiven and you don't have the Holy Spirit.?
     
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    Me 2 where batized as a baby. At the age of 32 I did go through Water Batism. This is the scripture that really move me to do it:

    Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
    Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
    Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
    Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
    Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
    Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
     
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    The bible would suggest that you dont.
     

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