Originally Posted by Brighthouse

The Thought to believe, that you do not believe. No matter what one hears,or what one sees? There is one point I would like to make if I may. The power of unbelief,is as strong as the power to believe. Is it not? Perhaps even stronger!! Because unbelief involves self,something most of us really enjoy both talking about, and showing.

I dont really understand what youre saying here. Belief also involves self, because you are the one to believe, and therefore necessarily requires an involvement of yourself.

This is a post from our prayer request forum.
An Atheist would have to admit that this is possible and I guess you could say prayer might be an enhanced form of the placebo effect but I say pray away..hey pray for me..

04-27-12, 12:53 AM

My lovely friends,

I have something to tell you which will knock your socks off.

You know that I was diagnosed definitely as having thyroid cancer and told that I had to see a specialist to see how far it had spread and to determine what bits of me needed to come out.

I then had prayer.

My pastor anointed me and the Church prayed for me. All of your fragrant prayers were sent up to heaven also.

I think I even had a "right head" before the Lord and had accepted that my dying may bring Him glory, or may bring others to Him.

After prayer, I saw the specialist and he asked for another biopsy to be done as he wanted to be sure about what type of cells he was dealing with, as he didn't think he had the experience and thought he may have to refer me on.

Had the biopsy two weeks ago and had an ultrasound at the same time. My lymph nodes were CLEAR.

The medical staff couldn't work it out - they'd never had a diagnostic problem before, usually they knew exactly what they were dealing with.

I then had a blood test. A cancer marker they did in that test came back NORMAL.

There is another test still to come back, but the specialist phoned jmy husband this morning and told him that my situation is no longer life threatening.

I will still have the thyroid out, but there is no cancer.

My Lord has healed me. I WILL see my grandson's 21st birthday. I WILL be here to grow old(er) and crotchety(er). And I WILL love Him for the rest of my little existence here on earth, and for eons I will worship Him in Heaven.

So I want to thank you all so much for your prayers and thoughts, from the bottom of my heart.

Love
megs56

It might be worth reading the original prayer request also.
Please lord, don't send me home just yet....

They say religion is the opiate of the masses but if it wasn't for Jesus I would actually be doing opium if I could find it.

Originally Posted by Thiscrosshurts

This is a post from our prayer request forum.
An Atheist would have to admit that this is possible and I guess you could say prayer might be an enhanced form of the placebo effect but I say pray away..hey pray for me..

It might be worth reading the original prayer request also.

They say religion is the opiate of the masses but if it wasn't for Jesus I would actually be doing opium if I could find it.

I never understood this argument, and why christians believe this to be in any way convincing, or re-affirming.

A theist is one who believes in a God or Gods.

As I said previously on an intellectual level I am not a theist.

I do not accept the definition of God or Gods.

I will explain why Asanima.

The Apostle Paul writes of human ignorance and the ease with which most of mankind is deceived in every generation, beginning with our leaders: scientists, political leaders, and barons of industry:

"Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.

For Jews demands signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men...And I was with you in weakness and in much fear and trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

"Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers (leaders) of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glorification. None of the rulers of this age understood this; for if they had they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, 'What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man conceived, what God has prepared for those who love him,' God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For what person knows a man's thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might understand the gifts bestowed on us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit. The natural man (man in his natural condition before spiritual rebirth) does not receive the gifts of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them for they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 1:20-25; 2:3-14)




Alas Asanima God is Spirit not definable by human thought.


Revelation is the key that unlocks the vault of true knowledge Asanima. All is contained within Jesus
Christ, neither condition A or (not A) in the end is
correct.

I never understood this argument, and why christians believe this to be in any way convincing, or re-affirming.

It's not an argument,just a really cool anomaly.
If you think dying of cancer is preferable then I would have to say that's your personal preference.

Originally Posted by Asanima

I dont really understand what youre saying here. Belief also involves self, because you are the one to believe, and therefore necessarily requires an involvement of yourself.

Once again, Asanima and Michael D, I urge you to read the book The Reason For God by Timothy Keller. Its an intelligent, well reasoned work and an easy read.

SLE

Originally Posted by David777

A theist is one who believes in a God or Gods.

As I said previously on an intellectual level I am not a theist.

I do not accept the definition of God or Gods.

I will explain why Asanima.

The Apostle Paul writes of human ignorance and the ease with which most of mankind is deceived in every generation, beginning with our leaders: scientists, political leaders, and barons of industry:

"Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.

For Jews demands signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men...And I was with you in weakness and in much fear and trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

"Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers (leaders) of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glorification. None of the rulers of this age understood this; for if they had they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, 'What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man conceived, what God has prepared for those who love him,' God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For what person knows a man's thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might understand the gifts bestowed on us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit. The natural man (man in his natural condition before spiritual rebirth) does not receive the gifts of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them for they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 1:20-25; 2:3-14)




Alas Asanima God is Spirit not definable by human thought.


Revelation is the key that unlocks the vault of true knowledge Asanima. All is contained within Jesus
Christ, neither condition A or (not A) in the end is
correct.

Quick question then. How do you know God is Good or Evil, neither or both?

I mean, you have your own unique viewpoint on God, which is fine. But you are arguing that one cannot define God in any way. So how do you know that God is Good or evil?

Originally Posted by Thiscrosshurts

It's not an argument,just a really cool anomaly.
If you think dying of cancer is preferable then I would have to say that's your personal preference.

Although it depends on the type of death, as i think that dying of cancer is perferable to... being boiled alive, maybe. But its not really an anomaly. People get better, cancer goes into remission whether you pray or not. And people are cured of cancer whether they pray to a Muslim God or a Christian God.

Dont get me wrong, i think its great that cancer goes into remission. But this doesnt seem to have anything to do with christian prayer.

Originally Posted by SpiritLedEd

Once again, Asanima and Michael D, I urge you to read the book The Reason For God by Timothy Keller. Its an intelligent, well reasoned work and an easy read.

SLE

If i do, would you like to discuss the book afterwards?

Originally Posted by Asanima

If i do, would you like to discuss the book afterwards?

Yes.

SLE