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    I don't want to debate, especially when it can cause division. What I want newborns who come across this thread to recognize is simple:


    The Bible teaches a number of things about maturing in the Lord. The modern church focuses primarily on two of those things.
    • First, it teaches that believers should not function in isolation. This is true, and it's something most churches will really emphasize.
    • Second, the Body works together to support, teach, and equip each other for the work Jesus wants to do through us.
    These things are all true, and every believer should seek the Lord in what church to go to because He has a place especially for you to fellowship and grow.


    Now, here is what the modern church doesn't teach (but is clearly taught in the Word of God):
    • We are anointed with the Spirit of the Living God! What does this mean? It's amazing! This means Jesus is our Rabbi! This means God will reveal truths while you spend time with Him in His Word! This means the greatest progress we will make in maturing will likely happen on our knees, seeking His face, and learning to tune in to His voice as He walks with us and guides us.
    These truths are scary to modern churches, as it implies that they're (the church) not required for a believer to grow in the Lord. In their fleshly attempt to maintain a congregation, they leave out the most important aspect of one's development and maturity: God's Holy Spirit!
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    I have been baptized in the spirit of Christ, and it was the most amazing thing I have ever experienced. Words cannot describe the feeling I felt or the perception of my reality that I experienced.

    When it comes to the power of the Holy Spirit, you can either accept it and believe it is there, or you can be skeptical and have nothing happen to you. I was willing to accept it, and although I have fallen from grace for many years following that wonderful experience, it has only led me right back into His arms.

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    When I was 17 (am turning 29 now) I was into drugs, drinking, heavy metal music and was very self destructive. I was living on my friends couch who was a Christian. I went to church with him one day for the free food and while I was sitting in the service, a man came up behind me and put his hands on my shoulders. He stood there for a few minutes praying for me. 4 years later I recieved Jesus and finally understood the message of salvation. No more substance abuse or alcohal abuse or smoking! I was truly born again and made a brand new person. I wish I could thank the Christian who laid hands on me.

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    I became a Christian midway through my life.

    All things Christian, the Bible, the Church, I was ignorant of.

    People laying there hands on others, this was in your face.

    I had deep reservations about this practice.

    Not for me thanks, not now anyway, maybe later on Lord when I am a much stronger Christian. So much to learn, I must stay aloof from all possible error. Must not allow connection, this is what I thought.

    Jesus had a different way of thinking to my way of thinking.

    That dreadful and fateful day, the super spiritual assistant minister called me out. At that moment my Universe tore apart, my mind screamed not him, not that one, why Lord are you persecuting me? Why?

    So I calmly walked up to the front, in control, reassured. Those Christian animals lept onto me, they showed no mercy. No measure was given.

    I cannot describe the peace that I experienced. This peace was most definitely not of this World. It permeated every fiber of my body and mind. Time had stopped, noise ceased, I spiraled into peace itself.
    Words can never describe the wonder and depth of this peace.

    Now I have a split Christian personality.

    Cool and aloof, and a hopeless addict of the Holy Spirit.
    Deal with it.

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    Originally Posted by ByGraceAlone View Post
    I've participated in a number of churches over the last few years. What I've seen is dysfuncional, innefective, and without vision. Flat out, I don't trust man to do what the Lord's Holy Spirit can do. Why? For obvious reasons.

    I'm more familiar with the Bible than with modern church culture, Ed. But what I've seen of the modern church is sad. I see more of Jeremiah 23 and Matthew 23 than I see of the Book of Acts. I won't trust what man can try to do what I know God will do.

    Are there churches doing a good job? I'm sure there are some out there. However, the vast majority of churches are failing to evangelize, feed the flock, take care of the poor, and disciple whatsoever. So please understand why I would direct any newborn in Christ to chase after the Lord and His guidance than to chase after some local church which may or may not be following the Lord. The Lord will lead a follower to the right place and the right people.

    The modern church model is nothing like the Book of Acts. We've got a model that funnels 90% of offerings into a building that stands dormant 90% of the time. The stewardship of these resources is no joke. What's going on is inexcusable, and as we are entering these last days God will chastise this system and deal with it.

    Judgment begins in the house of God, and I think God is giving us a repeated warning for the church to repent before He begins to cleanse this mislead system: See the reports of the latest quakes occurring once again in Christchurch New Zealand.
    You sound so negative about churches, but God instituted the fellowship of believers. Why don't you pray for the churches if you know so much more than they do? Pray for their pastors too. I sense you are being too critical and not enough love. I did not say "agree with sin" but to love like Jesus does.

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    Originally Posted by MatthewFive View Post
    I was willing to accept it, and although I have fallen from grace for many years following that wonderful experience, it has only led me right back into His arms.
    MatthewFive,
    I don't believe you ever "fell from grace" because God never removed His grace from you. His grace is like Velcro; it will always adhere to you whether or not you feel it. He has always known your life story - beginning, middle, and end - and His grace was upon you through everything you had to experience to get to where you are now.

    Spirit Led Ed (SLE)
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    I want to be a coin in God's pocket that He can spend any way He wishes.

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    Originally Posted by ByGraceAlone View Post
    We've got a model that funnels 90% of offerings into a building that stands dormant 90% of the time.
    If you're ever in the Kentucky part of the Cincinnati Ohio area, send me a PM and I'll introduce you to a church that's one of over 700 church plants that blow that image right out of the water.

    SLE
    Last edited by SpiritLedEd; 01-20-12 at 08:58 PM. Reason: typo
    I want to be a coin in God's pocket that He can spend any way He wishes.

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    Originally Posted by Miss Elly View Post
    You sound so negative about churches, but God instituted the fellowship of believers. Why don't you pray for the churches if you know so much more than they do? Pray for their pastors too. I sense you are being too critical and not enough love. I did not say "agree with sin" but to love like Jesus does.
    The accusation that I don't have enough love is unfounded. I've been broken over what what I see in the modern church as the LORD has shown what His church is really supposed to be about in His Word. I have a blog, if you'd like to see the kind of agape love the Lord has manifested in a ministry He's led me to. Check it out.

    I don't say all churches are bad. Some churches are wonderful. The most important thing is to seek God, not church. If we seek God first, He will guide you to the right church. If we seek church, we may not be where God wants us.

    That being said, many modern churches are awful. I've seen pastor worship, the fleecing of the flock, foul spiritual forces guiding wayward leaders, spiritual abuse via legalistic doctrine and fleshly posturing. And I've only been a born-again Christian for 3 years!

    Make no mistake, God is not pleased with what the modern church has become. There is going to be a vast shaking in what people are calling Christianity soon, it's already beginning. The scriptures bear this out.

    Jesus is returning soon, will He find faith on the earth?
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