Originally Posted by trucker

folks, all these scriptures are wonderful, but many are taken out of context. I would like you all to read jerm 3: 8-10. God divorced israel. If god can get a divorce and not be accused of adultery then he will not accuse you.

Gods will is a couple never divorce, however, divorce does happen and it is alright to remarry. The persons, female or male are not in adultery. The law was fulfilled in christ and the sin of divorce was put on jesus so those who divorce can remarry. If the old testament allowed divorce under the law, then how much more now under the new? He allowed men to have many wives under the old but that was never his perfect will. Gods will is one wife, one man. Heck, he condemned under the law anyone marrying a half sister, yet he allowed abraham to marry sara his half sister. This was before the law yet when do you think god thought this was wrong? Before the law or after? To get the answer read romans chapter 5 and read that where there is no law, god did not impute sin to a man. Under the new covenant, god is not imputing men’s sin to their account. See ii corth 5: 17-21. Jesus bore all mens sins! If you sin it bears a wage, but its not from god, its from sin. Sin pays a wage!

Matt 19 is speaking to those who were jews, it was a story of the religious leaders who tried to trap jesus, it can not be used to beat a person up over marriage and remarriage. John chapter eight deals with a woman caught in actual adultery and jesus under the law could have had her and the man who committed the act stoned. He showed grace and mercy. Its our pattern to follow!

Folks, lets get our covenants in the proper order. God hates divorce and adultery because of what it does to people; he does not hate people or condemn them to a marriage if abuse or the covenant has been broken. Remember, god wills everyone to obey his word. God will allow divorce and remarriage, but his will is that a couple never divorce. However, it does happen and both parties can remarry. I would highly suggest that both parties go through counseling before remarrying, and then try again. There will be difficulties with children, abuse issues, abandonment issues, alimony and financial difficulties, but if we allow the spirit of god in the situation he can bless what has been destroyed.

Do not underestimate the power of the new covenant. Understand it and that the law is to have no part of justification in a new believers life. Get out of the old covenant which was fulfilled in christ and immerse yourself in the new. The laws purpose is to reveal sin and make a person run to a gracious savior. Its grace by faith, or christ plus nothing!

I have been married 33 years and i thank god for his grace and mercy!

hallelujah!!!!!!

In the first instance, Are you a born again christian? If yes, then You can not marry her, otherwise, you are an adulterer. And adulterer will be judged by God.And if you are not born again, please do today, the grace of God is available for you to do so. All sinners will be purnished by God,
"For God so loved the world and gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish but have everlasting life" (John3:16)

Originally Posted by Akinbowale

In the first instance, Are you a born again christian? If yes, then You can not marry her, otherwise, you are an adulterer. And adulterer will be judged by God.And if you are not born again, please do today, the grace of God is available for you to do so. All sinners will be purnished by God,
"For God so loved the world and gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish but have everlasting life" (John3:16)

Colossians 1:19&20
19 For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ, 20*and by him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of his blood on the cross.

Seems to me that God has already judged the sin of the whole world.The verdict was guilty and the sentence was death and Christ received the penalty in our place. It would be double jeopardy if we were to be tried again for our sin. You might want to rethink your atonement theology.

For sake of time I will not quote all the Scriptures, because all of the just about have been quoted.

First of all, the Bible is not complete unless the Old and New Testaments are present. Jesus did come to complete the law, but to say that we do not obey the law any more because we have a new covenant is crazy. If that were the case why is there on Old Testament. Are we not able to apply Old Testament Scriptures to our lives or are we only able to apply New Testament Scriptures.

Yes, in Jeremiah, God did give them a certificate of divorce, but what happens at the end in Revelations, Does He not reconcile Israel to Himself. Once, God speaks something it cannot become void, it must come to pass. So if He says that Israel is His chosen people, then Israel is His chosen people.

Marriage between man and woman is a picture of the covenant relationship that God wants between us. God does not divorce or leave us first, we always make the step to leave the Father, because of our sinful ways. If we choose to leave God because of our own sinful desires, to do what we want, God in His mercy is waiting for us, to reconcile Himself to us. We have to make that decision.

The woman that was caught in adultery, was she caught when she was saved or unsaved? Unsaved, thus at the bloodline or at the moment of salvation, all sin is forgiven. If you have been married and divorce and remarried when you were lost, then the moment you got saved then all your past sins are forgiven. It all ends at the bloodline of Christ. What did Jesus tell her after she encountered her Savior? Go, and sin no more! Through Christ, God is reconciling the world to Himself, for those that receive His Son.

God hates divorce, and those that remarry after encountering their Savior is guilty of adultery. We always look for the easy way out, well it isn't going like I want it, so I will get a divorce, or the other party initiated the divorce. If there is a bad situation, abuse, whether physical or verbal, shouldn't be answered with divorce, one should leave and spend time apart so that reconciliation can be made. If it never happens then we must remain married to that person. We must really see what is the condition and the intentions and motives of our hearts. The Bible is simple we make it difficult, because we want to justify our actions, sin is sin. I see grace thrown in here a lot. Yes, we are under grace, but what is grace? It is not His mercy, that is something totally different. Grace is the ability given to us by God Himself to overcome our own evil desires, temptations and the world. So if we are under His grace then divorce is not an option, because He has given us the ability to overcome divorce as His children. People who are lost, well that is what lost people do, because of sin, but people in the church? We are supposed to be ambassadors and representatives of Christ, and the divorce rate is higher in the church that with lost people. Remember, we have been crucified with Christ, but also we have been raised with Christ, for us to be doing the same thing as the lost, how does that portray the Gospel. Peter, said we must be holy as He is holy. There is more but I think this is sufficient.

Be Blessed
Junglman

Originally Posted by junglman

God in His mercy is waiting for us, to reconcile Himself to us. We have to make that decision.

Through Christ, God is reconciling the world to Himself, for those that receive His Son.


Junglman

Paul disagrees with you.
Colossians 1:19&20
19 For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ, 20*and by him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of his blood on the cross.

Past tense.

I stand corrected, jiggyfly, thanks for that. I was reading out a spanish bible and got the tense mixed up. I was quoting from 2 Cor.5:19. That still does not change my though.

Thanks
junglman

Originally Posted by junglman

I stand corrected, jiggyfly, thanks for that. I was reading out a spanish bible and got the tense mixed up. I was quoting from 2 Cor.5:19. That still does not change my though.

Thanks
junglman

No problem, I'm glad you clarified.

Are we not able to apply Old Testament Scriptures to our lives or are we only able to apply New Testament Scriptures.

Sure we are, but we do not do it the same way Israel did then, we now apply them in light of our revelation of the new covenant and with the help of HolySpirit. Remember that all the feasts, sabbaths, and liturgy carried out under the old covenant were just mere shadows what God's intention towards man was and now His full intention or plan is revealed in Christ which is the new covenant.

Many seem to make the mistake that in order to abide in Christ we must obey His commandments but the truth is obeying His commandments are a result of abiding in Him. Remember that love is a fruit and He is the vine and we are the branches. Apart from Him we can do nothing. It is simply our trust in Him that He has done everything already to make us Holy, Righteous, and acceptable to His Father, this is abiding in Him.

FORNICATION: WHAT IS IT? WHEN IS IT COMMITTED?
1Corinthians 6:18; 1Corinthians 7:1-2;
Fornication is the incontinence or lewdness of unmarried persons, male or female. Occasionally, it means unchastity. Hebrews 13:4; It is a sexual intercourse a person and a unmarried person – 1Corinthians 5:1
Up to this day, this truth is well understood in the Middle East, Greece , Turkey , Syrians Christian living in Iraq , Palestine . These countries have upheld God’s word that women should be virgins up to the day of their marriage, there must be proof that they are virgins, and if they are not, they can be PUT AWY right then, the same night.
Now here is how it is done based on God’s word: We read in the Bible about the token of virginity. The day of the marriage, the parents of the girl give some kind of towel or cloth, and after her virginity is broken, the blood will be wiped on that cloth, and that cloth is given back to the parents of the girl to keep as a PROOF that their daughter was a virgin when she married. As soon as they get the bloody cloth, the parents proudly dance before the guests with joy that their daughter was a virgin. If she was not a virgin, sometimes the father & brothers kill the girl right there. But if they do not kill her, the bridegroom can put her away right then, and marry someone else. Such customs are still practiced in remote villages & towns in Greece , Turkey , and the Middle East .
When Joseph saw Mary was with a child, he thought of “putting Mary away privately” Because he was a just man, he did not want to make a public example, but thought to do it privately.Then the Angel of the Lord appeared to him that Mary was not a Fornicator, but that the Holy Ghost had come upon her and she was still a virgin that would give birth to the Son of God. Fornication is sex before marriage, but Adultery is unfaithfulness after marriage. And Jesus never gave excuse for anyone to divorce for Adultery… only Fornication in night of marriage…not after you have live with her for a week. So Fornication is not always a reason accepted with God. If you married her knowing she is not a virgin, you can’t put her away or divorce her if she does not please you…..or if you want some body else down the way! Read Matthew 5:28; 1Timothy 2:9; 1Corinthians 6:13b, 3:16a, 17a.
Akinbowale Isaac Adewumi

Akinbowale

jiggyfly

Trucker

you are all Correct. some of the rest need to check your love walk thing and study just how powerful the Blood is.

This topic is a very sensitive one because some of you posting have never experienced a spouse that does not serve God, has been unfaithful to you or has been hell to live with. All your praying for them does not seem to be working and your life is miserable. So you divorce and remarry. Now your told your living in adultery and it would seeM the only way to get out of it is to TA DA!!!! DIVORCE AGAIN and be a hermit.

Let's get this straight. God does not like divorce, but let each one be judged by the measure of faith and revelation God has given.
We are all at different places in God. Look at the scripture folks.

Joh 4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
Joh 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

This is red letters people. Red letters trump everything.
Jesus acknowledge that she did have five husbands. He called them husbands so they each were valid in his eyes as being truly a REAL marriage.
Notice he did single out the fact that she was shacked up with someone that is not her husband. He separates the difference.

Now would have been a great time for Jesus to tell this woman about her adulterous ways. Really let her have it and get her on the right path. Did he do that? NO, he went on to talk about God is spirit and we worship him in Spirit and truth.

Just because someone has gotten saved and has remarried does not indicate they are living in sin. They did that because it was the right thing to do in their eyes. Not everyone has the same revelation or knowledge of faith. Now let that marriage be sanctified and bed holy and move on.....PUT IT UNDER THE BLOOD.

I had an adulterous wife that did go to church. We separated for two years while she did her thing. she would not even let me see the kids.
I was ready to move on, but the Lord Stopped me. you see I have been in my Word hours and hours a day. This is what the lord said to me. He said that I am holding you responsible for her condition. He said I gave you authority to change things and you need to stand and use what I have given you.

Why would God say that to me. I have laid hands on the sick and have seen them recover, cast out devils, speak in other tongues, among other things. I just wanted the easy way out. So, I had to come to a choice. I said that's it Satan, I will not allow you to have my family and I am drawing the line right now!!!! Talk about faith...... it's time to stand.

as the months went by my brothers in Christ would ask how the marriage thing was going. I just said my wife is saved and by the cleansing and washing of the word and I love her as Christ loves the church. 8 months of of what looked like no results. Every time the devil brought that guy she was sleeping with to my attention I would say that's it devil you just got that man blessed and prayed for again. Did it hurt, did I have to go against my flesh?? you better believe it. This stuff can be painful.

Well, praise God. My wife came to see me and she finally got in the place where God could talk to her.
No divorce, been married for 17 years.

I can't expect people to follow my faith or expect just because they are saved that it is within them to be super Christians. I do believe if you will take a stand and not be moved God can change any marriage situation, but not everyone is there yet.

Lets move on with the new marriage, sanctified in the Blood and not be under condemnation or bondage.
This is the Will of God.

Love ya all.

Jesus Is Lord.

I am bad and have comited adulterty and seen marriages brokne. I am stuck as a man says one nice word and I think the man loves me. i feel ugly and no man would want me unless I do what they want

I drink alchol to take the pain away.

i feel stuck in a bad life.

am i beyond hope