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08-19-08, 12:21 AM

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I refer to the reformed church .. the church that took christianity to its roots...again I stress the Bible. Not so much church.

Actually in my TRUEST OF TRUE hearts when it comes to church: I believe that church should only be used for fellowship and learning..we should not get off into all these denominations and changing of the text to mean something new.. which in turn creates more denomination and quite possibly contridictions in the Bible. When people take it out of context then they change the Bible and therefore change who God is.
Sure, kinda like what happen with the KJV.
   
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08-19-08, 10:52 AM

I dont know much about the King James version. I wont read anything but the NASB and then I also require it be a KEY WORD Bible. So that I can truely understand what it means in its ORIGINAL context. I mean these Bibles are amazing. They have a Hebrew/Chaldee and Greek Dictionary. Also it has Lexical aids to the new testiment.

But my point there was. When you pick and choose verses to prove or disprove something .. it has to REMAIN in context otherwise you can make the Bible say anything. I mean the Bible clearly states you cannot loose your salvation and yet the Assembly of God church claims they can tell you versus that say otherwise. And there are at least two problems with that. 1) that makes the Bible contradict itself. 2) the verse they use for salvation is out of Revalations. hello anyone that gets a salvation verse from Revaltions has to be taking it out of text. I mean sure a person can get saved by reading out of Revalations. And a person could be saved off one verse if its Gods will, but it's not likely to come out of Revalations.
   
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08-19-08, 06:27 PM

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I dont know much about the King James version. I wont read anything but the NASB and then I also require it be a KEY WORD Bible. So that I can truely understand what it means in its ORIGINAL context. I mean these Bibles are amazing. They have a Hebrew/Chaldee and Greek Dictionary. Also it has Lexical aids to the new testiment.

But my point there was. When you pick and choose verses to prove or disprove something .. it has to REMAIN in context otherwise you can make the Bible say anything. I mean the Bible clearly states you cannot loose your salvation and yet the Assembly of God church claims they can tell you versus that say otherwise. And there are at least two problems with that. 1) that makes the Bible contradict itself. 2) the verse they use for salvation is out of Revalations. hello anyone that gets a salvation verse from Revaltions has to be taking it out of text. I mean sure a person can get saved by reading out of Revalations. And a person could be saved off one verse if its Gods will, but it's not likely to come out of Revalations.
Well although I am not an advocate of Arminianism, I am not an advocate of Calvinism either. I'm not an advocate of Protestantism or any other religious paradigm or doctrine for that matter.
   
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08-19-08, 07:47 PM

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Well although I am not an advocate of Arminianism, I am not an advocate of Calvinism either. I'm not an advocate of Protestantism or any other religious paradigm or doctrine for that matter.

So does that mean you are not an advocate of the following paradigms and doctrines?

The fall
The holiness of God
preservation of the siants
Sola Fide
Sola scriptura
Total depravity
sola christus
soli deo gloria
sola gratia
Unconditional election
election
imputation
the trinity
irresistable grace
the deity of Christ
the deity of the Holy Spirit
particular redemption (substitutionary death)
compatibilist free will
God's sovereignty
the virgin birth
creation
original sin


etc etc etc...?

Scary! :)
   
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08-19-08, 10:04 PM

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So does that mean you are not an advocate of the following paradigms and doctrines?

The fall
The holiness of God
preservation of the siants
Sola Fide
Sola scriptura
Total depravity
sola christus
soli deo gloria
sola gratia
Unconditional election
election
imputation
the trinity
irresistable grace
the deity of Christ
the deity of the Holy Spirit
particular redemption (substitutionary death)
compatibilist free will
God's sovereignty
the virgin birth
creation
original sin


etc etc etc...?

Scary! :)
In the way that protestantism defines some of them, yes, absolutely. Do you think your list is exclusively protestant?
   
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08-20-08, 01:09 AM

Meagen, according to your profile you are 17 years old and you came to Christ in May of this year (barely three months ago). What other Christian belief systems have you explored thoroughly during that time?

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So does that mean you are not an advocate of the following paradigms and doctrines?

The fall
The holiness of God
preservation of the siants
Sola Fide
Sola scriptura
Total depravity
sola christus
soli deo gloria
sola gratia
Unconditional election
election
imputation
the trinity
irresistable grace
the deity of Christ
the deity of the Holy Spirit
particular redemption (substitutionary death)
compatibilist free will
God's sovereignty
the virgin birth
creation
original sin


etc etc etc...?

Scary! :)
Yes I guess it is very scary to those who relate to God only through religion.
   
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In the way that protestantism defines some of them, yes, absolutely. Do you think your list is exclusively protestant?
I dunno, but my list is exclusively Biblical, so what's the problem?
   
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Yes I guess it is very scary to those who relate to God only through religion.
Errr, how about relating to God through the scriptures, which is the source of the list of doctrines?
   
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Errr, how about relating to God through the scriptures, which is the source of the list of doctrines?
Did Abraham, Isaac or Jacob?

Can you show where the scripture supports sola scriptura?

How about "particular redemption"?

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