Originally Posted by crzy_4_books

Kinda funny how no one really answered my question.

Actually the question is what is known as a logic flaw. It assumes that there can only be the choices that you give in the question, and that salvation is in some way limited. But to try to answer it more directly, salvation is only limited by the number of members of the human race. God can't save more people than have existed. God saves everyone who comes to Him. And naturally, those who don't come to Him are not saved. That is why missionaries run around doing everything they can to present people with the Good News, so people can choose. None of the Missionaries I ever worked with thought that their was any limitation on who got saved.

Thank you for your Kind words. I use the internet at the library and can't answer too quickly.

Originally Posted by MAJ52653

Thank you for your Kind words. I use the internet at the library and can't answer too quickly.

By the By, I do apologise for the address mistake. I am rather new to computers and don't understand some things that are obvious to old hands. Like I thought that advertize a website meant like a commercial. I also didn't catch that this was the middle of a chain of letters and not its beginning. I tried to reply direct to your reproof, but it said I can't until I get 5 posts. So I am apologising here.

Somethings i would like to say based on this issue.

First off the fact that churches no longer speak of it IMO is not a good thing. When i was saved i was told thats it you can no longer lose your salvation....that was it no explantion or nothing so i didnt believe it and strait away i was on shaky foundations with God.

I am a naturally insecure person so it was all to easy for me to believe it can be lost and that God would leave me. I spent 3 years striving to be perfect, constantly beating myself up and not daring to believe i was saved.

After that the calvinsit view was shown to me in such a way i could no longer ignore it. To know that God by His decision has chosen me, not the other way round, that He is in control is the greatest of comforts, i now believe i am saved and no longer strive for pefection (i still try cause i believe we have personal responsibility to try) but trust God will sort me, and He does.

I dont know how many other that are going through what i went through, but this changed it for me. I know there are many that dont believe the calvinist view and thats their choice, this is my testimoney on something, please do not use it to start a debate. I just wanted to share that.

God bless you all. :)

Ok here goes- I dont want to offend, however, I believe the bible says you were chosen from before the beginning of the earth. I am not sure quite how it works with limited atonement, but I do know that God is in control and capable of insuring His will is done!!!
This does not excuse us from witnessing because we do not know whom He has chosen. We are part of His plan and obedience is necessary for our growth! He is an awesome God and I am grateful I dont need to understand everything. I only need to know that He is El Elyon - God Most High and salvation is through grace (grace is first He extended grace by letting His son die on a cross) by faith (we know who has spoken to our soul and our soul responds to the only One that can fill the void). I love my brothers and sisters in Christ and do not want to argue these things - am merely letting you see what I see- then God will work with you to discern what is right

When I was down at Madra Gra witnessing this year I held a sign that said

"LOVE JESUS OR GO TO HELL"


That sums it up for me, so many did not like it at all. It is straight and to the point. To me there is no gray area when it comes to the Lord Jesus Christ.


God bless all,
debbi

you are right nearly saved-totally lost!!!!

Yes Ronda He is Lord and King of all. Yes Amen we need to witness wherever we are at. We go into the jails, streets, homeless and feed them. The great commission is for all.
No I do not believe in Calvism, but I do not argue it. The one question I ask people is "who do you say Jesus is?"

in His service,
debbi

Faithworks, You nailed it! The various theologies and philosophies being activated in the church are important and do need to be discussed. But, as the saying goes, we need to keep the main thing the main thing. And the main thing is what do you do with the person of Jesus Christ?

SLE

In my opinion, different denominations only worship differently, some prefer little iconic symbolism some more. Do we choose to worship in a certain way because of our personality?
I was born again and Spirit filled in South Africa in a Charasmatic church, since then I have worshipped in an evangelical mission, a gospel hall, a Methodist. I have gone to one or two services in a Catholic church and been overawed at seeing Christ on the cross, reminding me at the time, of that great sacrifice.
Denominations however, are man made, it's like theology, it has it's place but be aware, to much study can hinder. In fact it can cause confusion. It is for some, not for others. Some people are academics, some are not.
Our faith is just that, faith. In one Holy God, Father, Son, Spirit. It is my believe that because God is all knowing, seeing and all powerful, that He knew and knows therefore He knew/knows who will choose Jesus as Saviour and Lord and who will not. There is still the responsibility of mankind to use their God given brain, will, choice.
Therefore, God has put His plan into place, He has done all He can to bring about a life changing and life saving experience for sinners (the whole human race). We must take that gift of free will and exercise it, to choose life or to choose death. Some people think that the cross is no longer necessary, how could God choose only some and not others, some think that all will be saved because how could God do/be otherwise, is He not love.
The biggest lie I have come across since returning to the Uk in 1990, is that of humanity being 'naturally' good at heart. To make people aware of and accept that we are all 'naturally' anything but good at heart, and are in need of an 'internal' wash. An internal cleansing, is very hard. It is easy to watch the news, read the papers and say, "they should be hung" "thats disgusting" or whatever, but to look at ourselves and admit that however big or small our failings, we are all in the same boat. We are all in need of a spotless, sinless, saviour. None of us is without fault or flaw. No one church is flawless.
What I am trying to say (badly perhaps!) is that other peoples opinion's are just that, opinions, God expects us each to find for themselves His amazing love and grace. Now, before it's too late.