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ladylane · 07-03-08

Jehovah witnesses think they are the 144000.."little flock"

spirit1st · 11-04-08

THEY do not believe JESUS CHRIST came out of GOD or is GOD with us!
They think he is but an angel.

they are wrong from the start.

jbpichu · 11-19-08

I believe that the Church (gentiles and Jewish believers) and Israel are two seperate bodies (not sure if that's the right word); each with a different purpose. The Church will be called up to heaven one day, then the focus will turn back over to Israel. I just don't think we should be looking for the antichrist; but "watch" (spiritually) for our Lord. We should be spiritually ready. We should never have the thought of "My Lord isn't coming for a long time." Our Lord's return is imminent (there aren't any prophetic events that have to happen before He returns "in the air," but there are things that have to happen before He returns and sets his foot on the mount). Some think we should want to enter tribulation, but the tribulation isn't just another trial that the lord takes us through; it is a time of severe judgment. It's the 70th week of Daniel, and it will be a time for Israel to get her act together, and for unrepentant sinners to make one final choice. Our Lord even says that He'd have to shorten it, or else nobody would survive. He also says that it will be a time that isn't like any time before it or after it.

Needless to say I'm pre-trib, but if we do have to endure the tribulation then I trust that the Lord will take us through it. Remember, nobody can interpret the bible perfectly, except its author. But we should also never spiritualize or make an allegory out of scripture. We should take scripture literally wherever possible.

spirit1st · 11-04-08

Yes the CHURCH is very different than the nation ISRAEL.

But GOD has made promises to many jewish men and maybe women !

So HE will fulfill those promises!

you understand? SALVATION is Only of the JEWS 100%

We are grafted in as Jews Spiritual.
In other wards , Once Born of GOD? We are one of the tribes.
Which tribe would that be?

Well We follow our LORD! So we are of the tribe of judah .We are made priests and that is the only tribe spiritually that priest Now come from.

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Darian · 06-05-08

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Originally Posted by 4Jesus

Greetings in the name of Jesus.

This particular topic and the opening post has given me much cause to meditate before the Lord and to seek guidance from Him. The reason being is, my dear brother Chad, I am troubled by your opening post. I have usually got a desire to uplift and encourage others. I have always understood the Book of Revelation as prophesy in kind of spritual picture form - spiritual visions.

The number 144,000 to me represents, a human number to be spiritually discerned - not calcuated, but as 'fully complete and final number' in the same spiritual sense that the number 666 is a human number to be spiritually discerned (by Gods Wisdom) and I would have thought the same spiritual context of the numbers should be consistant, e.g. Revelation 13:18 (RSV) "This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty six." I think too many have tried to apply the same criteria here by trying to 'humanly count' even using other numbers in the Bible to 'fit'.

My belief is, to have a better understanding of Revelation we must view the whole Book thus:

We find John, three times "In the Spirit" God was showing John three different spiritual 'viewing angles' of the the same thing all happening at the same time (forgive my repetition please).

Since the Resurection of Jesus these three things are in operation consequitivly in this present Age

1. Jesus is in His Church - Now.
2. Jesus is in Heaven - Now
3. Jesus is in the final conflict - Now

Compare .....

"I was in the Spirit" Viewing angle number one.
Revelation 1:10 to 3:33. [b]We see Jesus in the Church.[/

"I was in the Spirit" Viewing angle number two.
Revelation 4 to 16:21. We see Jesus in Heaven.

"I was in the Spirit" Viewing angle number three.
Revelation 17:1 to 20-15. Jesus in the final conflict.

All concurrent - not consequitive or sequentially.

Finally and not concurrently, we see in Revelation 21:1 to the end Jesus in the Age to Come. The New Heaven and Earth!

In the Love and Grace of Our Lord
David.

Hi 4Jesus,
I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on all the events of Revelation being concurrent. By virtue of the fact that Jesus is not sitting on His throne in person, in Jerusalem, with all of His believers ruling the whole earth with Him, and there being no historical evidence of the battle of Armageddon having occurred yet, concurrence of events is impossible. God is always orderly, and not the author of confusion. The book of Revelation is a set of sequential orderly events beginning with the assessment of the churches, then the start of the great tribulation and ending with the judgement of God poured out upon the earth, also known as "The Day Of The Lord" and Him setting up His millenial rule.

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