Hi brother David

A # or even a word discrepancy in the bible brother, is not a contradiction, there are a few if you look for them, if we look at the four beast in revelation we will see they have six wings apiece, when we look at them in the old testament from the book of Ezekiel, we see they only have four wings apiece. So if its just a discrepancy , Chad is correct with that list. But then so is Ezekiel's list.

God bless brother

Blessings to you, Fellowservant.

Thank you for your observation; I have absolutely no problem with it. That is in fact what I was attempting to get over when (in my quote you used) I said, "....the Bible does not contradict itself and is not the source of controversy and confusion."

In Jesus
David.

p.s. The whole spiritual symbolism of Eagles' wings; and 'picture to meaning' (rather than the word to meaning) revelation, for me, is another spiritually enlightening journey.

D.

Hi David,

It all sounds very interesting but I'm a little worried about your posts.

Firstly, I think that using a woman's gestation as an example can only be approximated/averaged as most women who have had a due date given to them will testify to, it also doesn't account for multiple births etc. I think human gestation is an 'average' of eg 38 weeks from fertilisation.

This is quoted from your post:

'From the seven days of creation, the 4 x seven days of the rise and wane of
the moon, the 36 x seven weeks of human gestation, the seven notes of
music and so on, tell us simply the way things are essentially.'

I'm sorry but what concerns me is that this all sounds very much like numerology.

God Bless

Eve

Many blessings to you, Eve, in Jesus Name.

Yes, I can fully understand your concern. And yes, it can sound like numerology. However, I assure you that I am not a numerologist; I sincerely seek to hear what God is saying to me from His Word. If we confine ourselves to the 'word to meaning' passages we will restrict ourselves to understanding only those passages which are written specifically as 'word to meaning', for example, "Do not worship any other gods besides me." (Exodus 20:3 NLT) this can sometimes (not always) have the unfortunate tendency towards legalism and judgementalism.

Therefore, unless we seek have an understanding of the biblical sybolism of sybolic numbers ( not all numbers are symbolic) in creation, space and time, Israel, The Feasts, OT salvation, in The Sanctury, Tything and Taxing, Covenants, Curses, Offerings, Prophecy & etc numbers, of the 'number to meaning' passages ( likewise with 'picture to meaning' 'symbol to meaning') we will, at best miss out on the wonderful fullness, depth and wisdom of God and at worst mislead ourselves and others, not to mention appearing foolish sharing the bible with others.

Having said that, none of this affects our salvation, love of God, Gods love towards us and the Power of the Blood of Jesus. So don't be too worried about it my precious sister.

If you can find some 'meat' in what I have posted - eat the meat and spit out what you percieve as the bones!

Your brother in Jesus
David

Hi again brother

I liked some of your thoughts on prophecy, i use the old testament and new, to try and interpret the 'book of revelation', as some of the prophets also seen these endtime events, so i use them as much as possible. And i find letting scripture interpret scripture, or prophecy to interpret prophecy... is also very enlightening. And thanks for your thoughts...

God bless you brother

My Brother 'Fellowservant' - may blessings be showered on you in the precious and Mighty Name of Jesus.

I praise and thank God that He has put this desire on your heart. I sincerly hope and pray that one day we may be able to open up a powerful discussion for encouragement and for the building up of the Church Jesus Christ on the final prophesy (Revelation) - It is the last chance for mankind. He that has an ear to hear let him hear.

I truly believe we, as a generation, are uniquely gifted to be able, at least to understand Revelation. For centuries it has been hidden from the brightest minds because they have all thought in terms of words and their meaning. We are no brighter, however, but we live in a generation that is taught once more to react to pictures not words. The instruction that guide us everyday are pictures not words. [b][/BThe key to the Book of Revelation is not the words and their meaning but pictures and their meaning.

Revelation is part of the whole Bible. Other Apocalyptic literature stands alone; this book does not. It is part of Divine Revelation. This means that once the codes have been unlocked, the pictures and numbers understood, the book is applied in the same way as all the other books of the Bible.

. They are all referring to the same message but in different ways.
. They are written for people of faith.
. They are relevant to the believer in this age
. The books are mystically linked one to the other
. It is an attempt to reveal not to obscure
. It is an attempt to bring understanding not confusion
. It is an attempt to place world history around Jesus
. As much as, e.g. Luke's gospel was written to one, 'Theophilus', we regard it as for us all, so John's letter was written to 'seven' churches but belongs to all of us.
. Like the remainder of scripture it contains selective material.
. It must have meant something to the people who first read it.
. It should have meant something to every generation of believers who read it
. It must mean something to us when we read it.

Revelation deals with matters seven dimensionally....
the past, the present, the future, the concurrent, the re-occuring, the consequetive and the enernal.

As with the number 144,000 we, in this generation should understand it post-intellectually, not as an actual number but within the above criterea.

I really would like to discuss this fully, post-literally, I have devouted much prayer to it -but I am a new member and therefore prohibited by the rules of this Forum (which I respect and will endeavour to adhere to) from opening a discussion.

Yours in our Precious Lord and Saviour
Your brother
David

Many blessings to you also David in Jesus' name,

I am relieved to hear that you say you are not straying into the realm of numerology. All pilgrims (myself included) who are trying to keep to the path need guidence and caution from time to time. Don't worry I can find some meat in what you and many others who share you theories say.

There are certain phrases in the bible 'red' 'reed' sea for example which have famously thrown doubt over interpretation also and I am certainly not a proponent of legalism or judgementalism as this can cause it's own problems especially when looking into the chronology of the bible for instance. We have to tread very carefully and not jump to conclusions and remember that theories are theories, not necessarily truth.

In my eyes nobody looks foolish who is trying to seek truth, afterall no mortal is wise at all hours.

God Bless my brother in Jesus

Eve

Eve, blessing to you,

I don't think it is so much a matter of 'interpretion' or 'theories' here. I sincerely believe it is a matter of prayerfully seeking what The Spirit of God is saying through The Word and accordingly "anyone who is willing to hear should listen to the Spirit and understand what the Spirit is saying..." (Revelation 2:7, 2:11, 2:17, 2:29: 3:6, 3:13, 3:22, 13:9 NLT) so that the Believer, Pilgrim, Disciple and God Fearer hears and understands the Godly Spritual application of the Message of Revelation.

Your brother in Jesus
David

I agree David as long as the fruit of our understanding is an increase and greater revelation of the person of Christ within ourselves. If this is not the result than it is just more info and causes the adverse, a decrease of Christ within ourselves, because knowledge puffs up(pride).

Brother Jiggyfly,

I am in full unity with you on this point. However, do I sense you making an oblique suggestion that I am puffed up with unspiritual knowledge?

Your brother in Jesus
David.