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10-04-06, 09:42 PM

good post. Abortion is murder, pure and simple. Many eyes and spirits are clouded; they are deceived.


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10-05-06, 11:31 PM

The thing I don't understand is how abortion can be scientifically backed up. Our society has learned not to judge based on race, sex, and now age is an issue. A human baby is less valuable than a human fetus. Does a heartbeat make you human? Does a higher sense of awareness make you human? What makes us human, is our human DNA. Once something/someone has it's own individual genetic identity, it has become a human (or animal, or whatever it may be)... So I personally don't understand the logic behind it- especially when people say that a fetus is just like a part of the woman's body- since when does the spleen get big, fall out of the mom and turn into a baby? How about any other part of the body?.. That doesn't even make sense...

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02-12-07, 11:18 AM

Psalms 139:16 Your eyes saw even the embryo of me, And in your book all its parts were down in writing, As regards the days when they were formed And there was not yet one among them.

Exodus 21:22-23 And in case men should struggle with each other and they really hurt a pregnant woman and her children do come out but no fatal accident occurs,...But if a fatal accident occurs, then you must give soul for soul,..

From the moment of conception a DNA book is written, and is alive, and progresses to create that person.

Even though Exodus was in the Old Testament, I can see that our Creator gives equal bidding to the unborn, soul for soul.

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02-12-07, 01:15 PM

What if one of your friends or family members were raped? How can you justify that pregnancy? I am asking honestly these are not loaded questions on my end.
   
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02-12-07, 01:26 PM

It is a sad thing when this happens. It is still a baby that grows and if the person does not want to have reminders of what happened to them then they can have the baby adopted. There are so many people who want babies and cannot even carry one through pregnancy or even get pregnant.

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02-12-07, 03:27 PM

There are already thousands of babies and children in foster homes and group homes. The adoption process is long and tedious but there are already plenty of kids that need adopting.
   
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02-12-07, 05:44 PM

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There are already thousands of babies and children in foster homes and group homes. The adoption process is long and tedious but there are already plenty of kids that need adopting.
Well, I do not know what statistics your basing this off - but how about giving our problems to GOD who can fix anything and everything?

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There are already thousands of babies and children in foster homes and group homes. The adoption process is long and tedious but there are already plenty of kids that need adopting.
Legally there are also restrictions on adoption. For example, the usual white canadian (in my country, teehee) cannot adopt a baby born with native blood- for cultural and ethnic reasons (keeping their identity and stuff)... so althout it may seem there are tons of kids not adopted usually they are from different ethnicities, religions, races, cultures, and nationalities... and legally it wouldn't work out for the average person to adopt. There are actually long waiting lists of people who want to adopt.


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Response to abortion - 02-13-07, 12:24 AM

Jeremiah 1:5- Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you, I ordained you a prophet to the nations

Psalm 139:13-16 For you formed my inward parts, You covered me in my mother's womb. I will Praise you for I am fearfully, and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works, and that my soul knows very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, and skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, the days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them.

Its a sad thing when a woman is raped and if happened to one of my own family members or friends I would be there all I could for her, but if she should become pregnant I would let her know that the life inside of her was not responsible for what happened....I would let her know that I totally understand the point of looking at this baby would bring back the memory of the hurt she went through and that if she didnt want to keep the baby to give this baby a chance at life and put it up for adoption so he or she can lead the life God intended.

Why should an innocent baby pay for a crime He or she didnt commit? God has plans for each and every life He creates and to take the very life from an innocent unborn baby takes away those plans and I just don't think man has any right to do that. God knows each and every child before they are formed in the womb, He knows what they will do and say, He knows what they will grow up to be and what plans He has for them...its not ok to take the right to live away from a baby who had and has no control of the circumstances of how they were concieved. Life according To God starts before we are even formed in the womb for He says " He knew us before we were formed and He fashioned our days even when they were none.

The same is true of these babies....God knew them before they were formed, He knows them as they grow in the wombs of their mothers and He has fashinioned their days even though they are none. God is the author of life.....Only He should be able to say when a person comes home to Heaven not man and by murdering these babies man has choosen to play God and to me that is wrong.
   
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02-14-07, 09:43 AM

This is a subject that hits close to home.

My older sister was born mentally retarded. She's always been very childlike and trusting. At best, her mental capacity is on par with a bright 8-year old.
Well, in 1986 a friend of the family and next door neighbor (an elderly man) lured her into his home and raped her. My step-father caught him in the act after hearing my sister's voice in the man's house. When he knocked on the door and got no answer, he knocked the door off it's hinges and let himself in.
And I am convinced that if not for my step-father being a pastor, our neighbor would have met the Lord in person that very day. Instead he was handed over to the police and spent the rest of his life in prison.

Months later we learned that the rape had resulted in an unplanned pregnancy. Because of my sisters condition, it would be a dangerous situation. The hopital strongly advised my parents to abort the baby. They prayed about it and waited on the Lord. They wanted the child, my sister wanted the child. And in time, they felt the Lord wanted them to have the child, so they turned down the abortion.

In early 1987 a healthy baby boy was delivered by cesarean section. My sister suffered no ill effects and came home with her son a few days after giving birth.

That child was one of the best things that ever happened to our family. And none of us have ever regretted our parents decision to decline an abortion. My nephew is one of the sweetest natured people I've ever known. He loves the Lord, loves reading his Bible, and dotes on his mother.
And while he, like his mom, is somewhat mentally challenged (to a far lesser degree), he is fully capable of caring for her and takes a great deal of pride in doing so. I can't imagine what life would be like today if he had been terminated in the womb.
   
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