i do not believe that a person cannot lose his or her salvation. they can or else paul would not be speaking to that in the word. we will always have that free will, it is never taken from us. although, i wonder why a person would turn away from God and His blessings, it is very possible. there is much to confirm this in the word of God. also, i have learned alot about this particular subject from the jimmy swaggart ministry.

Bambi,

This a very dangerous thing to put words into the word of God!

I looked at several translations -- Rotherham; Concordant Literal; KJV; NKJV; NIV;(that seemed like enough to me) -- and I did not see beloved in parenthesis in any of those translations of 2Pe. 3:9.
But I did see any and everyone.

Maybe your husband is wrong and HoneyBare is right!

Victress,

I agree with you. A person can lose salvation. We do have freewill. On the flip side of this, God also has his, and He has desided to give us grace, mercy, salvation and to never leave us. So could our sins ever keep us from the love of God?

True Smokey Jack. I believe He will always be there and forgive all times if we keep wanting it, the thing is always on our side not God's. God said He would never leave or forsake, it is the person that chooses. We have free choice and will every day, but can hope and pray that God will always keep us and He will.

Originally Posted by Smokey Jack

Bambi,

This a very dangerous thing to put words into the word of God!

I looked at several translations -- Rotherham; Concordant Literal; KJV; NKJV; NIV;(that seemed like enough to me) -- and I did not see beloved in parenthesis in any of those translations of 2Pe. 3:9.
But I did see any and everyone.

Maybe your husband is wrong and HoneyBare is right!

I was not adding to scripture. I was explaining what the words, "us-ward, all, & any" were referring too. They are referring to the word Beloved in the previous verse.

Originally Posted by Victress

i do not believe that a person cannot lose his or her salvation. they can or else paul would not be speaking to that in the word. we will always have that free will, it is never taken from us. although, i wonder why a person would turn away from God and His blessings, it is very possible. there is much to confirm this in the word of God. also, i have learned alot about this particular subject from the jimmy swaggart ministry.

Victress, I'm sorry you believe you can lose your salvation. If that where true then you can never get it back, because then Christ would have to be crucified again.

Heb 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

But thank the Lord we can't lose our salvation because his sacrifice was the perfect sacrifice that is eternal. Read Hebrews chapter 10.

Ps 86:11
11 Teach me thy way, O LORD; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name.

Calvinism.
Is it possible that it is named after it's origin?

Originally Posted by jiggyfly

Calvinism.
Is it possible that it is named after it's origin?

You mean Calvinism originated from a different organism than Christism?

Sometimes I cant quite figure out which direction you are going with a point haha......


"Calvinism: This theory was worked out by the French theologian and fashion designer John Calvin Klein, who argued that some people are predestined to be glamorous while others are doomed to be plain. America was founded by Calvinists, who sought to establish a country where they could pursue their belief that buckled hats were fashionable." - JollyBlogger

I detest nametags...the "I`m of Cephus, I`m of Paul- I`m of Luther, I`m of Calvin" , that very divisiveness and departure from CHRIST....


On the other hand, I think men resist words like omnipotence and predestination because it leaves them without a say in the matter.......hmmmm....

Hey I'm trying to understand the difference between Calvanism and hypercalvanism. I asked some questions earlier but no one ever answered so I'm still confused.

Chad said that the difference between Calvanism and hypercalvanism is that hypercalvanism ...

• denies that faith is the duty of every sinner
• denies the gospel offer to the non-elect
• denies that offer of divine mercy is free and universal

My questions were,

• If irrisistable grace means that faith is given to us by God, then where does duty come in?
• Can somebody who is non-elect become elect? If they can't then what does the gospel offer to them?
• If Jesus didn't die for the non-elect, then how is the offer of divine mercy universal?

Thanks

Originally Posted by OnceWasLost

My questions were,

• If irrisistable grace means that faith is given to us by God, then where does duty come in?
• Can somebody who is non-elect become elect? If they can't then what does the gospel offer to them?
• If Jesus didn't die for the non-elect, then how is the offer of divine mercy universal?

Thanks

Duty comes from God.

Matt 28:19
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
John 21:17
17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Non-elect can not be elect because what makes them non-elect is that God didn't choose them. Eph 1:4. And because they are non-elect they will not seek after God. Rom 3:10, 11. I've been told, and I'm not sure, I'll have to study this myself, but Christ's sacrifice affected the whole world just like Adam's sin affected the whole world. Romans Chapter 5. But not completely in a salvation sense.

Divine Mercy universal? Where does it say that in the Bible?