Originally Posted by Questioning

I do not "believe there is no god." I simply do not believe in any of the prescribed gods. God may well exist, but I see no evidence for any particular one put forth for my consideration.

"Questioning" has been banned from TJ because it became evident that he is not seeking truth. I'm saddened that he seems to have fallen into the Post-modernist trap of believing that there are no absolutes and therefore his opinion is that the absolutes upon which Christianity is based are not valid.

SLE

I remember once when I was about 15, I thought I had committed the unforgivable sin. But the fact is, I didn't. I was a believer when I thought I had committed this sin and a believer cannot commit this sin.

This is something that has really worried me what it is and been worrying if i commited or not,i would hate to hurt Jesus feelings.

Originally Posted by Holly3278

I remember once when I was about 15, I thought I had committed the unforgivable sin. But the fact is, I didn't. I was a believer when I thought I had committed this sin and a believer cannot commit this sin.

You are correct, Holly. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is intentionally and maliciously giving Satan credit for the Spirit's works (see Mt 12:24, Lk 5:17)

SLE

This is something that bothers quite a few believers and myself included at one point as thoughts they were against God would enter my mind. The devil will do anything to make us believe we have committed this sin, however when you take a look at the Scripture and the context we can see what this is.

Let's take a look at this account in Matthew 12:22-32 "²²Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. ²³All the people were astonished and said, "Could this be the Son of David?" ²⁴But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebub,^[d] the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons."
²⁵Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. ²⁶If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? ²⁷And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. ²⁸But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
²⁹"Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.
³⁰"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. ³¹And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. ³²Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come"


We can see here that the Pharisees were teaching others that Jesus was casting out demons by the power of the prince of demons. Jesus then shows them how stupid they are by asking why Satan would cast out Satan? He would not as that would divide his kingdom and he would destroy it himself. The Pharisees would say anything at that time to accuse Jesus even though their accusations were beyond false, they were just plain stupid.


This is showing us that the Pharisees (who were the religious leaders of Israel, who knew the Bible better than anyone, even though they had false teaching,) were saying that the miracles of Jesus were being done by Satan. This is unforgivable because at this point these are people who are never going to turn to the Lord for if they had repented they would be forgiven, because Jesus turns none away, however as stated they were to never accept Jesus, instead they were so hateful they wanted to kill Jesus.


As true born-again Christians we cannot commit this sin, because we love God, we have eternal life, (Look at John 10.) We would never call the work of the Holy Spirit from the devil, but we know that the Holy Spirit through us is doing the work.


Some have said as an unbeliever I said some things that against the Holy Spirit, but the fact that you are now a believer shows the Holy Spirit worked in you because it is the Holy Spirit who convicts us and draws us to the Father. Again Jesus never turns anyone away. This is a sin committed by someone who is never going to turn to Jesus Christ as their Savior and rejects the work of the Holy Spirit and draws people away from Christ.


Hope that helps,

DJ

Originally Posted by TheDJ

The Pharisees would say anything at that time to accuse Jesus even though their accusations were beyond false, they were just plain stupid.

Jn 4:2 tells us that early in his ministry, the Pharisees were alarmed at the rate at which Jesus was making disciples. Clinging to their positions in Jewish society, they became desperate and desperate people do and say stupid things as they frantically try to hang on to control.

SLE

Originally Posted by SpiritLedEd

Jn 4:2 tells us that early in his ministry, the Pharisees were alarmed at the rate at which Jesus was making disciples. Clinging to their positions in Jewish society, they became desperate and desperate people do and say stupid things as they frantically try to hang on to control.

SLE

I agree, and that is exactly what was happening.

The Holy Spirit can be RESISTED.
Acts 7:51 Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

The Holy Spirit can be QUENCHED.
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit can be GREIVED.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
What kind of things grieves the Holy Spirit? Read the next verse…
Vs. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

The Holy Spirit can be QUIETED.
Zech 6:8 Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.
How can one “quiet” the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit is a gentleman. He will never force Himself upon you. If you continually resist Him, or “say” that you don’t want to hear what He has to say… He will back off and be quiet where you are concerned.

The Holy Spirit can be INSULTED.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite (Greek: to insult) the Spirit of grace?

But these are NOT Blasphemy.

Also
1Tim 1:12-13, Paul said that He had even blasphemed, but that he had done this out of ignorance.
So Paul said he Blasphemed out of Ignorance. Well he obviously DID NOT Blaspheme the Holy spirit, becasue he never came into Contact with the Holy spirit till he was on the Road to damascus. SO he ONLY blasphemed Jesus.

What the Pharisees did WAS Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and DEFINATELY was not out of Ignorance. They saw him. They Know what to look for. they studdied the Prophets.

Can you know if you Blaspheme the Holy spirit? Yes. But you wont feel remorse, or worry about it. YOu might even Like the Idea that you did it, and gain power from it...hmm...Antichrist?

I have taken a special interest in this thread, as I know of two people who have done so, blasphened the Holy Spirit, well one of them did to myself, a few years ago, it was the Mother of my son's partner, I know 'living in sin' it used to be titled, and Im not proud of it either, but thats the way they've choosen to live, this woman, for whom I pray, her and her husband both are backsliders, and have both gone back into the world seemingly with no problem of doing so, that makes me wonder were people like this ever truly saved to begin with, as its usually said that your 'spoilt for the world' to try and go back into it after receiving the promises of God isnt something I can understand, but then thats a whole different topic......

Well to get back.....the woman did grief the Holy Spirit to my account as she told me, 'she didnt believe anymore in Jesus, I cant remember the other words she used but I know I had to walk away from her as I couldnt stand by to listen to her blaspheme.

This also was the very first question I had on my mind for ages when I first got saved, as I didnt want to commit it myself, but I needed to find out what it was first so I asked a Minister I knew, well he said he'd have to go away and study it and the following week he told me he didnt know what it was, now Im not sure if he was a saved man, some Ministers arent, anyway it took me a few years to work it out myself but surely I did, then I knew I hadnt committed it thank the Lord.

Just thought this might interest some of you.,
Hi to all my old buddies, its been ages, Stephen, Strypes, SpiritLedEd, Coconut, etc guess I wont be remembered though. xoxoxo

In response to the first post.

If each man who spoke blasphemy against the holy spirit were to never be forgiven, then in this age, no man would be forgiven.

What is said is sometimes said for impact to an outcome as much as anything else.

If it was said, all will be forgiven. All will be saved. Then what work would you do?

Does a father tell his son, "you must go to bed early tonight because you have been a naughty boy", but whereupon he has been a nice boy thereafter, the father says "since you have been a nice boy this evening you may go to bed at your normal time".

He must reward his son for when he is good and punish his son for when he his bad, yet through his love does he do this.

In the same way jesus said many things. He peppered the meat when it was raw, and once some of the pepper bled out, he added the salt.
Sometimes he salted the meat when it was raw, and peppered it once it was cooked.

If it were not for fear, where would love be? If it was not for love, why even begin in fear?

Nothing that was said, is set in stone. Such that the new testament was new wine to the old. Will not new wine be given to you again?

What is said for the times is for the times. Love can say that black is white if it leads to what is love.