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    Originally Posted by WantToKnowHim View Post
    This parable will give my opinion some support.
    Luke 12:35-40

    [35] "Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, [36] like men waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him. [37] It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. I tell you the truth, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. [38] It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night. [39] But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. [40] You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

    Say in a simple word you are a servant,, and then your Lord told you to do the dishes, clean the house and have his bed ready when He comes home. You do those things..so you are "prepared". Let's say then that the Lord arrived and you done nothing unto the tasks He said,,nor you made an effort to do it at all. Would you expect a salary on it? No. The salary on it is His salvation and living with Him through eternity.
    Sorry but this cant be true.
    You cannot earn salvation by doing works.

    Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

    Eph 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast. (10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


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    Thank you very much, jari.

    I will replace my term. Yeah, jari's right that you cannot earn salvation..What I mean is "reward".

    Though I cannot say what that reward is..-_-.

    Again, thank you very much.:)
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    Originally Posted by WantToKnowHim View Post
    Thank you very much, jari.

    I will replace my term. Yeah, jari's right that you cannot earn salvation..What I mean is "reward".

    Though I cannot say what that reward is..-_-.

    Again, thank you very much.:)
    I think it maybe a blessing now but more importantly it maybe also greater reward in Heaven.. Although Heaven is great reward for everyone in itself.


    Luk 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

    Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
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    Originally Posted by jari View Post
    So you see that as requirement for salvation, maturity (in love)? Did i understand you correct.
    Well that would depend on your definition of salvation.
    Religion is an ugly tyrant.

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    Originally Posted by jiggyfly View Post
    Well that would depend on your definition of salvation.
    salvation as in going to heaven.

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    So, I am in the understanding that God is not contained within our concept of time. Do you not think that certainly after death judgment occurs immediately for everyone as at that point time as we understand it no longer exists...

    I believe that God certainly has the power to show this to someone - along with who will be there as He obviously has the knowledge of who is going to hell and who isn't.

    Compared to other testimonies of the same type, how does this one hold up? I'm thinking of Ian McCormack

    I can't post links so if you aren't sure who that is you'll have to google him :/ sorry!

    interested what you guys think

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    Originally Posted by natters View Post
    So, I am in the understanding that God is not contained within our concept of time. Do you not think that certainly after death judgment occurs immediately for everyone as at that point time as we understand it no longer exists...

    I believe that God certainly has the power to show this to someone - along with who will be there as He obviously has the knowledge of who is going to hell and who isn't.

    Compared to other testimonies of the same type, how does this one hold up? I'm thinking of Ian McCormack

    I can't post links so if you aren't sure who that is you'll have to google him :/ sorry!

    interested what you guys think
    Hmmm who said time no longer exists?


    I dont believe this kinda hell as descriped in the video exists. theres no biblical support for it. and there's other views of hell which are different.
    So many people claiming different kinda of views.

    For example Jesus story of hell in the bible, is different, it has none of the things mentioned in this video.

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    Originally Posted by jari View Post
    Hmmm who said time no longer exists?
    Natters didn't say time no longer exists; she said that God is not contained within (subject to) our concept of time, which is true.

    SLE

    "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day." (2 Pet 3:8 NIV).
    I want to be a coin in God's pocket that He can spend any way He wishes.

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    Originally Posted by SpiritLedEd View Post
    Natters didn't say time no longer exists; she said that God is not contained within (subject to) our concept of time, which is true.

    SLE

    "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day." (2 Pet 3:8 NIV).
    Yes i know what she meant and its quite broad assumption from single verse.
    In my opinion..

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    Is it Sheol,no ?
    jari showed us the old testament scriptures about the
    "the grave",or Sheol.
    There is no torment or knowledge.
    It is just like the atheist heaven,NOTHING.

    Hades is NOT the same as Sheol
    Hades and hell are from Greek mythology.
    And so is Tartarus.
    Jesus spoke of Gehenna,which is the garbage dump outside Jerusalem
    where there worm dieth not and the fire never ceases.
    Jesus said we sleep.
    Why would death hell and the grave be emptied of it's inhabitants in Rev. and then the dead judged and then thrown back in hell?
    No ,it says death hell and the grave are thrown in the lake of fire.
    So if the judged spend eternity in hell then do they have to go through the lake of fire to get there?
    By the way my God is an all consuming fire.
    Rather than form some loose doctrine out of misunderstanding I personally have chosen to leave the punishment to God.
    Jews started entertaining the mythological concepts(Khabalah,Zohan etc..) years before Jesus appears.That's one reason Paul warned:
    Titus 1:14. Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

    Many times in the old testament God refers to other god's as though they were real.Then usually there is a disclaimer when he says something like "though they are no gods at all".Not a contradiction,more like sarcasm.

    The story of beggar Lazarus and the Rich man(name not known)
    does suggest(not prove) our "sleep" may come with dreams of some sort.The rich man in torment wanted to cool his tongue(what is set on fire of hell?).And even wanted Lazarus to serve him in the afterlife.
    The rich man is not named because his name is not in the Lamb's book of life.He is cast into utter darkness where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    Jesus said we sleep,people who experience near death and remember it have a widely various
    experiences of it.So many things are left a mystery until the appointed time.
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